Herbie puts it out there on Bowl games

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I guess that is what passes for analysis these days, which is to say not much. The author clearly believes the players are in the right, but offers no intelligent commentary as to why. There is a meaningful and interesting debate to be had here, but this article fails to do it. Basically just click bait.
 

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I agree with them 110%. And I've been on here and banned for saying the players and their parents are whiny entitled little b*tches. They don't love football all they love is the platform that putting on football jersey provides them. It is all NIL today, not for the love of the game. Trust me expanding the playoff does nothing to fix it. I don't need to see Pitt vs. Alabama. I know what the result will be. By the 5th week, we know who the best two teams are. All other games are "meaningless" at that point.
 
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“I just don’t understand,” Herbstreit said. “If you don’t make it to the Playoff, how is it meaningless to play football and compete? Isn’t that what we do as football players, we compete. I don’t know if expanding it will change anything. I really don’t. I think this era of players just doesn’t love football.”

I can’t argue with him, at least not entirely. It’s clear that opt-outs value their football career more than representing their college team. They value their football, as an individual, meaning their earning potential, over the broader game and all that it represents. Selflessness, playing for the greater good, being true to your school, etc. don’t matter much these days. With the money at stake, I get it to an extent, but it’s bad for college football.

Furthermore, it’s absolutely fair to question character when a player puts himself over his team. College football to many of these kids is merely a means to build a suitable resume (enough game film) to enable a lucrative professional football career.
 

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“I just don’t understand,” Herbstreit said. “If you don’t make it to the Playoff, how is it meaningless to play football and compete? Isn’t that what we do as football players, we compete. I don’t know if expanding it will change anything. I really don’t. I think this era of players just doesn’t love football.”

I can’t argue with him, at least not entirely. It’s clear that opt-outs value their football career more than representing their college team. They value their football, as an individual, meaning their earning potential, over the broader game and all that it represents. Selflessness, playing for the greater good, being true to your school, etc. don’t matter much these days. With the money at stake, I get it to an extent, but it’s bad for college football.

Furthermore, it’s absolutely fair to question character when a player puts himself over his team. College football to many of these kids is merely a means to build a suitable resume (enough game film) to enable a lucrative professional football career.
I suppose today’s college players are just preparing for the pros in everything they do. That behavior you describe is essentially how pro athletes act (generally speaking).
 

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The audacity of these kids who put their careers over their school, like their coaches and for that matter every other student. Herbie is never ever right.
 
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Players are finally wising up. Herbie likes them performing for his telecasts for free while he collects an exorbitant salary, whatever it is.
 

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Should coaches be able to "opt out" of bowls for greater professional opportunities? Or do we expect more from the student athletes than the professionals leading them?
I mean whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
I don't think players or coaches should be permitted to opt out or change jobs during the season, including bowl games. I don't like any of it. Not sure how you fix it though at this point short of blowing up the entire system.
 

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I see both sides of the issue.

But, how far does this progress? If a kid has a great sophomore season, why would he come back to play any more college football at all? If he isn’t yet eligible for the NFL draft, go the Micah Parsons route and take a year off to train.

Or what happens if I’m Adrian Peterson and rush for almost 2,000 yards as a true freshman? Why would I ever risk anything again when there’s nothing left to prove?

Of course I’m playing devils advocate here … I’m not a fan of any of it.

The question becomes what is the true purpose of college football? Is it to prepare for the NFL and the payday? Or is it to play a game you love at a level 99% of high school kids will never get to? Or is it something else? We all know it’s not an extracurricular for college students.
 

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Greed is killing college football. Greed from the SEC, cheating and manipulating things to their advantage such that the majority of teams have no chance of competing. Greed from the bowl game committees and teams fat and happy with the bowl money. I’m not suggesting that players get paid by the bowls, although that is an option being suggested by others. Eliminate all of the bowls or at least all of the bowls outside of what is necessary for an expanded playoff.
 

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Herbie is an *** and anyone here saying they would play a meaningless game when they risk money that would set them and their children up for life is either and idiot or a liar and I bet no one here has ever had to make that decision which makes it real easy to puff your chest out on a measles board.
 
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Trust me expanding the playoff does nothing to fix it. I don't need to see Pitt vs. Alabama. I know what the result will be. By the 5th week, we know who the best two teams are. All other games are "meaningless" at that point.
Why does the NCAA MBB tournament have 68 teams?
 

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Let the kids declare for the draft after one season. Fixes this issue.

Create windows for coaches to talk to other teams while still employed.

Create a window for the transfer portal. January 15 until the first kick off of the ensuing season.
 

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There’s a way to strike a deal where everyone is happy, but it will require an ironclad agreement between the NCAA and the NFL.
 

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There’s a way to strike a deal where everyone is happy, but it will require an ironclad agreement between the NCAA and the NFL.
Explain that one to me. The NFL has no authority over college players until they sign pro contracts.
 

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Explain that one to me. The NFL has no authority over college players until they sign pro contracts.
Correct! Take a sophomore or Junior who declares for the NFL draft and opts out of their bowl game. Is this a cost to the University? Absolutely! The NFL will be recruiting an elite athlete whose skillset was honed and cultivated at the expense of a particular college. Some expenses will be tangible and others intangible and it will be a one time expense. The Cost Department at any college can produce a fiscal model to determine the cost. Trust me, it can be done and they’re rather accurate. The team that drafts this athlete reduces his year 1 contract by this amount and reimburses the school. I’m not talking big money but $150k-$300k depending on the athlete. It’s not meant to be a deterrent, but a system where the athlete can leave and the school compensated. How many kids declared for the draft this year who are not seniors? If done correctly it will withstand any legal challenge.
 
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Let the kids declare for the draft after one season. Fixes this issue.

Create windows for coaches to talk to other teams while still employed.

Create a window for the transfer portal. January 15 until the first kick off of the ensuing season.
I would change kickoff of season to a couple weeks after spring practice. Gives coaches time to get someone from the portal and somewhat familiar with playbook.
 

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Then you’re either an idiot or a liar. No other possibilities, or at least so I’ve read.
These days it is your way or the highway right. So herbstreit is an *** too right? But you know more than herbstreit. You know more than herbstreit when it comes to football opinions. Right? Your so smart. How many high school kids careers ended and never played college. They would dream about playing On a team if not a bowl game. Stop the name calling
 
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I see both sides of the issue.

But, how far does this progress? If a kid has a great sophomore season, why would he come back to play any more college football at all? If he isn’t yet eligible for the NFL draft, go the Micah Parsons route and take a year off to train.

Or what happens if I’m Adrian Peterson and rush for almost 2,000 yards as a true freshman? Why would I ever risk anything again when there’s nothing left to prove?

Of course I’m playing devils advocate here … I’m not a fan of any of it.

The question becomes what is the true purpose of college football? Is it to prepare for the NFL and the payday? Or is it to play a game you love at a level 99% of high school kids will never get to? Or is it something else? We all know it’s not an extracurricular for college students.
The “true purpose” of college football is whatever the individual player wants it to be.
From the standpoint of the major college program and tv, it is to make $.
So why do we object when that is the player’s goal?
 
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These days it is your way or the highway right. So herbstreit is an *** too right? But you know more than herbstreit. You know more than herbstreit when it comes to football opinions. Right? Your so smart. How many high school kids careers ended and never played high school. They would dream about playing On a team if not a bowl game. Stop the name calling
Easy raz, I’m referencing a post made a few up from yours who said if you say you would play in the game you’re either an idiot or a liar. It’s not my belief. I get guys sitting the games out. I also get playing in them. I’m not really a black or white guy.
 

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Maybe it would be in your vocabulary if you had the skills. Have you ever quit a job for a better one?
I know quite a few people that have quit better paying jobs for lower paying jobs. People do it sometimes, just like others played the bowl games at the risk of injury.
 
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Easy raz, I’m referencing a post made a few up from yours who said if you say you would play in the game you’re either an idiot or a liar. It’s not my belief. I get guys sitting the games out. I also get playing in them. I’m not really a black or white guy.
Oh. Sorry then, you had replied to mine. They can do what they want of course. Everyone has an opinion and it isn’t wrong. Heck look at the Antonio brown. He opted out. Lol.
 
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razpsu

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Maybe it would be in your vocabulary if you had the skills. Have you ever quit a job for a better one?
Lol. Nice and silly attack on my 3rd grade English texting skills. Lol.
 

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What the coaches like Kelly and Riley that bail a month before the bowl?
 

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I agree with Herbstreit. I am going to play whether I am a 1st rounder or not. I know how I am constructed. Opt-out not in my vocab. That said, I don’t tell others how to live. But I can judge them based on their decisions

I'm obviously different from you. If I'm earning next to nothing, have spent years of my life on making sacrifices and focusing on giving myself the opportunity to practice law at the highest level, and I have a trial scheduled next week, but another firm comes along and says they'll give me $10 million to come to them, but there's a 3% chance something could happen at that trial that takes that opportunity away from me, I am certain I will not be participating in that trial. That money would change my family's life, and they take precedence over anyone and anything else, so I wouldn't apologize for it and I wouldn't consider it a mark on my character, no matter what anyone else believed.
 

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Players are finally wising up. Herbie likes them performing for his telecasts for free while he collects an exorbitant salary, whatever it is.
Long thread that made many headlines today from a recent Ohio State player:

 
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The “true purpose” of college football is whatever the individual player wants it to be.
From the standpoint of the major college program and tv, it is to make $.
So why do we object when that is the player’s goal?
I'm not objecting. As stated, I see both sides. I think Kenny Pickett made the right decision. I think most of our guys that opted out made the right decision. If I was "guaranteed" to be playing in the NFL next year prior to a meaningless bowl game, I'd sit out too.

I'm just speculating on the future of college football as a whole.

Things have just changed so much over the past decades. I received Bill Cowher's new book for Christmas. His first NFL contract was $20,000 He states in the book that he made more money playing in the off-season Cleveland Browns basketball exhibitions tour than he did actually playing. Also taught high school in the off-season. It's obvious that guys in this era wouldn't consider opting out because the money wasn't there at the next level. Now it is. And I guess that's what matters.
 
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