Herbie puts it out there on Bowl games

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Correct! Take a sophomore or Junior who declares for the NFL draft and opts out of their bowl game. Is this a cost to the University? Absolutely! The NFL will be recruiting an elite athlete whose skillset was honed and cultivated at the expense of a particular college. Some expenses will be a tangible and others intangible and it will be a one time expense. The Cost Department at any college can produce a fiscal model to determine the cost. Trust me, it can be done and they’re rather accurate. The team that drafts this athlete reduces his year 1 contract by this amount and reimburses the school. I’m not talking big money but $150k-$300k depending on the athlete. It’s not meant to be a deterrent, but a system where the athlete can leave and the school compensated. How many kids declared for the draft this year who are not seniors? If done correctly it will withstand any legal challenge.
This is pretty creative ... I like it. Not something I've heard before, but it makes a lot of sense to me.

I guess it comes down to how the University uses those hypothetical dollars to improve the program. What do they do with the money? Facilities? ;)
 
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These days it is your way or the highway right. So herbstreit is an *** too right? But you know more than herbstreit. You know more than herbstreit when it comes to football opinions. Right? Your so smart. How many high school kids careers ended and never played college. They would dream about playing On a team if not a bowl game. Stop the name calling
Herbie is a company man and ESPN wants the best product on the field. ESPN, fans, and the NCAA don't give 2 sh!ts about the players. ESPN needs eyes on the set. NCAA needs it's money for the "amateur" sport and the fans just need a W so they are butt hurt. The ones that are opting out usually have a legit shot of being drafted so natually they would like to get drafted high as possible so they can get the highest salary possible. Yet people doing that in everyday life aren't considered bad apples.

Odd how many socialist exist when it is someone elses money, just shut up kid and keep me happy, who cares about your future as I had money on this game as a fan. I chose to spend money on tickets. How dare you wanting to make more money...it impacts me and that is all that matters. People are butt hurt the kids finally woke up to the BS lie of everything is fine since your getting an education while the schools and NCAA rake in $$'s. Kudos to the kids like Luketa that stick it out until the end, but I'll be damned if I will tell another young man he needs to look out for my interests when it comes to his financial future. It's an extreme level of arrogance that people have. These young men EARNED their ships. The EARNED their PT. These schools fight and beg for them to come in, not vice versa. The NFL and NCAA have had this nod, nod, wink, wink BS relationship forever. One gets paid millions and the other gets a free farm league where they can weed out players much like the minor leagues in baseball.
 
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It's just a different world than the one most of us Boomer posters grew up in. We grew up in a world where people had more commitment to institutions, your school, your country, maybe your church or whatever institutions you joined. Now it is all about the individual. Kids in the Seventies were referred to as the Me Generation by the people who fought WWII and now we have the Me Generation on steroids. There is a reason Apple did all their market research and decided to call their biggest product the iPhone.

It is hard for me to understand. Maybe I can understand not playing in a minor bowl game but the Rose Bowl? Seeing Ohio State players opting out of the Rose Bowl or some of the players not play in the playoff bowl game last year is something I don't get. For me that would be an experience of a lifetime but I guess it's just not that big a deal anymore.

I say all this without being judgmental. It's a new world not necessarily better or worse. I was brought up taught to have a lot of confidence in institutions whether it was school, the government or whatever. If you have a commitment to them they have a commitment and will support you. Time and time again I have been disappointed. My point is this goes far beyond college football and there isn't much football can do about it. It will just have to roll with it and adapt as best it can.
 

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It's just a different world than the one most of us Boomer posters grew up in. We grew up in a world where people had more commitment to institutions, your school, your country, maybe your church or whatever institutions you joined. Now it is all about the individual. Kids in the Seventies were referred to as the Me Generation by the people who fought WWII and now we have the Me Generation on steroids. There is a reason Apple did all their market research and decided to call their biggest product the iPhone.

It is hard for me to understand. Maybe I can understand not playing in a minor bowl game but the Rose Bowl? Seeing Ohio State players opting out of the Rose Bowl or some of the players not play in the playoff bowl game last year is something I don't get. For me that would be an experience of a lifetime but I guess it's just not that big a deal anymore.

I say all this without being judgmental. It's a new world not necessarily better or worse. I was brought up taught to have a lot of confidence in institutions whether it was school, the government or whatever. If you have a commitment to them they have a commitment and will support you. Time and time again I have been disappointed. My point is this goes far beyond college football and there isn't much football can do about it. It will just have to roll with it and adapt as best it can.
So the funny thing is some of this is now showing up in the nfl. Players refusing to play or sitting out. A really strange path where all of this is going.
 

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This has more to do with sportscaster career preservation than the players. What will half of ESPN's staff do when fans complete the migration from semipro football to the NFL? Will NFL broadcasts go from having two sideline reporters to four? From having two or sometimes even three reporters in the booth to four or five? From the Mannings hosting MNF with a few guests to a format which resembles the Hollywood Squares game show? At some point you're overstaffed and the law of diminishing returns kicks in. Look, the business model of college football is busted. Expect bankruptcies, consolidations and takeovers. Michigan and OSU to the SEC is within the realm of possibility. Consider the bright side. We won't have to tolerate Herbstreit gushing over OSU during broadcasts anymore. Maybe he'll get a real job.
 

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This is pretty creative ... I like it. Not something I've heard before, but it makes a lot of sense to me.

I guess it comes down to how the University uses those hypothetical dollars to improve the program. What do they do with the money? Facilities? ;)
I think it can work. The amounts are not punitive and the model benefits both parties. An athlete should be allowed to leave for the NFL and opt out of a bowl game. A school should be compensated for their investment and potential loss of revenue from having him leave early. That amount will come from the athletes year 1 NFL contract. The current system leaves the university with tab, a fractured team and loss of revenue.

Let’s say six kids decided to enter the draft and all six are signed in the first three rounds. A potential $850,000 in payments come back to the school. This helps ease the pain. Yes, I agree, apply it towards facilities, stadium improvements or equipment.
 

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Because fans will, for whatever reasons, watch Michigan play Robert Morris, and allow the NCAA to make money off of the broadcast?
By the same token, fans will watch Alabama play UTSA in a college football playoff. The post which I responded to stated that after five weeks we know the best two teams. The same is true in MBB. That was my point.
 

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No it is not. At least half the teams have no business playing and no chance of winning. Once you get past ~16 teams, the quality drops significantly.
For starters you can’t play 2 games in 4 days in football. So logistically it doesn’t make sense to have a 68 team football playoff.
 

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I agree with them 110%. And I've been on here and banned for saying the players and their parents are whiny entitled little b*tches. They don't love football all they love is the platform that putting on football jersey provides them. It is all NIL today, not for the love of the game. Trust me expanding the playoff does nothing to fix it. I don't need to see Pitt vs. Alabama. I know what the result will be. By the 5th week, we know who the best two teams are. All other games are "meaningless" at that point.
How do you possibly judge kids opting out of bowl games to protect their future harder than you judge head coaches leaving for new jobs before the season is over. Head coaches have already got all the money in the world. Do you realize how much difference there is in pay between a first rounder and a second rounder, these kids prepare to have a good combine which can change their families fortunes forever. You question how much these kids love football, do you question if Brian Kelly and Lincoln Riley love football? Maybe ESPN should broadcast some games without ADS “for the love of the game”
 

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I'm obviously different from you. If I'm earning next to nothing, have spent years of my life on making sacrifices and focusing on giving myself the opportunity to practice law at the highest level, and I have a trial scheduled next week, but another firm comes along and says they'll give me $10 million to come to them, but there's a 3% chance something could happen at that trial that takes that opportunity away from me, I am certain I will not be participating in that trial. That money would change my family's life, and they take precedence over anyone and anything else, so I wouldn't apologize for it and I wouldn't consider it a mark on my character, no matter what anyone else believed.
I am very sympathetic to the players. I am not judging whatever decision they choose to make. They are exceptional athletes. They are still young. When they are interviewed, they show a lot of maturity. They are handling the difficult task of being a college student and playing big time football. Some are on the cusp of big NFL contracts that they have worked very hard for. They have earned it for sure. Some come from situations where they did not have a lot of money. Their futures depend on their bodies and they are making the right decisions for themselves.

I think @psu31trap’s post above has a possible solution for the opt-out scenario, but with a little tweaking. The NFL team that drafts the player could be charged for the opt-out because the team is getting the value of a player that didn’t get injured. The college can put the money back into the football program to benefit future players. The player need not be charged.
 
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What is the definition of irony? Kirk Herbstreit, who makes about $2mm a year to make obvious comments during a football game, lecturing unpaid college players about how disappointed he is that they just don't care as much about football as he did when he played because they do not want to risk injury before the draft.

lmao lol GIF by Nickelodeon
 
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What is the definition of irony? Kirk Herbstreit, who makes about $2mm a year to make obvious comments during a football game, lecturing unpaid college players about how disappointed he is that they just don't care as much about football as he did when he played because they do not want to risk injury before the draft.

lmao lol GIF by Nickelodeon

And he says this all while working for the network who single handedly devalued bowl games the most by propping up the bowl system which now has 44 total bowl games (including CFP). I am shocked kids don’t value the bowl games anymore when any team with a pulse can make a bowl game.
 

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By the same token, fans will watch Alabama play UTSA in a college football playoff. The post which I responded to stated that after five weeks we know the best two teams. The same is true in MBB. That was my point.
I would remind us all that after 5 weeks this season PSU was 5-0 and we were talking playoffs.
 
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