Yeah, they give them for free. Having to see a free condom vending machine on the corner downtown where they can see it in front of their face every day would probably be a triggering point for some folks.
Hey, do you need a crack pipe?
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Why would that trigger people? Are people triggered by free tampon dispensers in bathrooms?
This is just reproductive health and protection- everyone has hormones, everyone develops, and with the exception of angry incels and overwhelmed single parents, we are all having sex with some sort of frequency. <--Ill let others use this for a joke.
Reproductive health should not be shameful. Reproductive protection should not be shameful.
Nobody should be triggered by seeing reproductive health and protection products.
I swear- many in this country are so uptight when it comes to sex, they could shitout diamonds.
You can tell I'm trying to be humorous, yet you're still acting like I'm trying to make some valid moral point.
The fact that you are arguing with me when I obviously almost agree with you on this subject but do not wholly agree with you is starting to sound like you're either looking for an internet argument or are an entitled know-it-all.
Either way once again, I'll let you have the last word as you most certainly will, I'm done.
Glfr beat me to it but I'll expand on his post by adding another question... what do you think the people who are "triggered" are going to do? Do you think it's going to make people want to have sex? Because if that's your concern, I have some news for you about the entire history of human existence on this planet.
You mentioned the world exploding earlier. Do you think seeing condoms in public is going to cause people to be violent?
Well, I guess put me in the same boat. I though you were making moral arguments. You wouldn't be the only person in this thread doing that.
Oh damn, nope I didnt pick up on you joking about people being triggered by that.
Bias showing on my side- apologies.
It's OK it takes people time to realize that 99% of the time I'm shooting ****.
I'll try to break the cycle and make this my last post. Let's agree to disagree.
- You think making it easier for people to have access to drugs/drug paraphernalia is somehow good for them. I disagree, but am obviously not going to change your mind.
- I don't know who you're comparing to Jerry Falwell, but brother I can assure you I enjoy sex and think it's a wonderful thing inside the boundaries of a consensual adult relationship. I don't want my kids having sex in middle school or high school (or anytime outside marriage in fact, in a perfect world), and I'm NOT going to tell them it's okay. I train them to make good decisions, put protections around them as best I can, and hope they make the right decisions. That's all I can do. So I certainly don't want their school to tell them it's okay, or to make it free and easy for them. You are apparently fine with your kids' school giving away condoms. Good luck with that, but you aren't going to change my mind about how best to try to guide and protect my kids. I don't want them to make the same mistakes lots of other people (including me) have made.
Lastly, underage sex isn't a destructive behavior??? Okay, that's one theory I guess.
I agree with you on this one. And if we find out later that putting those machines out somehow helped - that will shock me, but it will be good news. I'm not against trying to help people at all. We just disagree on how to do it on a large scale I guess.
I genuinely dont think we are far apart on views.
- I have no idea if this vending machine thing is beneficial to individuals or society. I just see what hasnt worked for decades and dont think we should keep trying the same things that havent worked. Definition of insanity and whatnot. Frankly, I see crackpipes in a vending machine and cock my head in confusion. Seems straight up odd. But I also know that I am far from an expert on this and assume there was some basis for trying this out(a study, experts, etc etc). I do think easier access to narcan is good. There is no downside at all to having abundant access to an inexpensive medication that can save lives.
I have read articles about cities with needle exchanges, safe crackhouse locations, etc. It is all so foreign to me(thankfully) that I struggle to align it with what I learned growing up with is 'drugs are bad, mmkay?' and little more. I am from the generation where Rachel Leigh Cook smashes an egg with a frying pan and 17ing destroys a kitchen to simulate snorting coke so yeah, when a vending machine has crack pipes for free, that is a helluva 180 for me to wrap my mind around and get behind.
But I keep coming back to the reality that what we have tried(shaming people, educating people, not helping people, criminalizing people) sure hasnt worked, so maybe its time to try some radically different approaches.
- Condoms arent just available to underage kids. Reproductive health clinics have handed out condoms by the bowl full to adults for decades. Not sure why you are only considering the youth side of things. I did mention educating kids about reproductive health and safety, but that wasnt meant to only suggest free condoms benefit kids. The education of kids on reproductive health and safety was more me referencing the oppressive and detrimental argument that abstinence only education is best.
From an individual perspective, how you parent sounds great. You seem involved and try to help them learn to manage situations which are new to them. Maybe your kids therefore dont need access to condoms. Meanwhile, there are a bunch of other kids who have crap parents and have not had the support or structure you have given your children. If those kids are in physical relationships, statistically they are less likely to fully understand reproductive health and less likely to practice safe habits. Given them access to a simple to use and inexpensive birth control helps ensure they stay safe and not pregnant. They are going to have sex regardless, may as well help ensure they do so in a safe and healthy way.
- I dont know if the school district I work at and my kids attend gives out condoms. I have an 11th and 7th grader, so Im pretty sure if the district does supply them, only one would have access. Like you though, we are involved, talk with her about choices and consequences, and have educated her on safe reproductive practices and reproductive health. You do what you can at an individual level, but its still important to remember that what is best at the individual level often isnt what is best at a societal level.
And this is without even acknowledging the fact that our already overstressed, underpaid and understaffed first responders - mostly cops and firemen - have an inordinate amount of their time and energy devoted to administering narcan to overdose victims. I'm sure they'd be perfectly happy allowing them to administer narcan to each other so they can put out fires and arrest murderers and whatnot.
Not to repeat myself (even though I love to repeat myself) but just saying "making it easier for people to have access to drugs/drug paraphernalia" is missing a whole lot of context. And not even entirely accurate because the vending machines aren't dispensing drugs.
The people who are accessing these vending machines already have drugs and drug paraphernalia. What's available in the machines are items that making doing these drugs a little safer so there's less of a likelihood that they'll die from an overdose.
As others have said, our Just Say No approach doesn't work. Maybe this won't work either but I don't think it's unreasonable to give it some time to see if it will.
Let me help you with an even better solution. Streamline legal immigration so that we can get the workers we need, thus reducing those that are actually coming in illegal. Heck, I'd even say it's a bad idea as a decent human, and even from a legal perspective, to trick people legally seeking asylum onto a bus only to drop them off in the middle of very cold weather in a neighborhood several states away. Even if it is done for so worthy of a cause as owning the libs in support of a planned presidential run.
I wish something as wise as the Bible could give us some guidance on this front...
Leviticus 23:22 NIV
“ ‘When you reap the harvest of your land, do not reap to the very edges of your field or gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leave them for the poor and for the foreigner residing among you. I am the LORD your God.’ ”
This country's immigration policies(legal and illegal immigration) will go down as the most inexplicable thing that I have experienced at the federal level in my lifetime. Dont care that half a life is still left to live, I am confident nothing will come up that is more inexplicable.
BOTH sides have done nothing of substance to fundamentally fix what is, by all accounts, a woefully broken system.
For decades, both political parties have pointed the finger and blamed the other side of failings.
For decades, both political parties have held control of the Executive and Legislative branches and not fixed it(whatever 'fixed' means to each side).
For decades, both political parties have made tiny changes, claimed they are huge, and patted themselves on the back while the system stays broken.
Neither side actually does anything that will move the needle in whatever direction they are hoping for it to move. Neither side.
And this is why it will go down as the most inexplicable thing. Countless opportunities, and nothing comes from it each and every time. Its totally wild- they just dont fix it, even when they have the power to.
Most recently...
2016-2018 - Republicans held the House, Senate, and POTUS. What did they do?...spent insane amounts of money on building segments of a wall that almost immediately started breaking, claimed Mexico would pay for immigration, banned people from a bunch of countries, and separated kids from parents at the border. They had the chance to actually address immigration and fundamentally change it so we can thrive as a country, but nope.
Obama didnt fix it. Biden hasnt fixed it. Heck, Biden has not even fulfilled some of the things he promised to change and actually has the power to change. Not that there would be a fundamental fix, but at least change what you campaigned on and have the power to change.
Clowns
Gender and biological sex would obviously be part of a reproductive health class.
I don't think educating everyone specifically on sex changes(gender affirming surgery?) would be needed. At least not beyond acknowledging that some people choose GAS.
Once more, it must be exhausting to be so outraged and constantly try to tie things back to a few culture war outrage issues.
I am playing a game? I certainly didn't think I was.
You responded to my post about drug use with a non-sequiter so I took time to respectfully respond.
If you are playing a game, it's a solo effort.
Correct. I don't know what game I am playing, so I also don't know what game you are playing.doesnt understand an analogy
Please indulge me by explaining the analogy.
I'd be willing to bet that the harm reduction from this will equal exactly zero. This will just encourage more drug use at the very least.
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It would take you less than a minute to type out the explanation.
The real reason you wont is because you dont actually know what an analogy is and you are concerned you wont be able to logically turn your comment into an analogy.
Its ok, we are in a trust tree here, you can admit you dont know what you are saying.
I admit that you spout on some of the most ignorant and least logical nonsense some of us have ever heard.
"a drug kit vending machine says 'doing drugs is bad' more than its says 'doing drugs is ok'"
and yes we all know you didn't say that in one sentence but thats what you said over the course of a conversation.
If you didn't say that, then say it now. "A drug vending machine creates a perception that 'doing drugs is ok' more than it does that "doing drugs is bad".
I think everyone even most drug users would agree that "doing drugs is bad" you are not seing past the surface level of the vending machine. The NY governments and police departments have spent the last 60 years in a losing war against drugs where going out and telling people "doing drugs is bad" didn't do much of anything to prevent drug use and inevitably abuse/OD's. This is an attempt to try and help the people the drug users prevent OD by supplying them with cleaner/healthier supplies and providing the medicine to save people suffering from an overdose.
Nobody in their right mind is saying "doing drugs is ok"
You dont have time to explain the analogy, but you have time to post this?
Come on, explain the analogy! Lets hear what game you are referring to and the analogy I dont understand.
What's your take on gun restriction laws? (We are already deep in it, so might as well hit all the hot button topics**)
The people who will/would commit crimes with guns already have guns and ammo. Law abiding citizens having guns doesn't prevent that, but me having free and easy access to my guns certainly makes my world a little safer. There's less likelihood that a crime will be committed around me or my property.
It's not inexplicable at all. Corporate donors on each side of the aisle wanted cheaper labor. Voters on both side of the wall wanted controlled immigration. So for a couple of decades politicians on both sides of the aisle railed against illegal immigration while making sure it wasn't stopped. At some point, a lot of democrats decided that pushing more illegal immigration was a winning political issue, so you started seeing their words actually matching their actions except for ones in more conservative areas (although conservative is not really a good divider on this issue; it's more aligned by whether you have to compete with immigrants for work or are largely just benefitting from illegal immigrants).
Trump legitimately tried it's just he didn't know how to work within government and the bureaucracy was even more brazen about openly defying his policy than they have been in the past. I don't think there is the political will to actually stop it, even within the republican party, so it's going to take a very skilled anti-illegal immigration president to make any progress on it until the political dynamics change.