Hoops divisions are no more pending SEC presidents approval**
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Like with the rotating schedules in football, the SEC West is once again told to bend over and take it. Definitely hurts our school.
Hopefully a State/Bama/Arkansas triumvirate will form to take the top SECT seeds long enough that we'll suddenly have a dire need for divisions again.
Hopefully a State/Bama/Arkansas triumvirate will form to take the top SECT seeds long enough that we'll suddenly have a dire need for divisions again.
For buryball. Without divisions, he's got nothing else to hang his hat on. Good move though by the conference; more pressure for Rick.
It makes no difference to me one way or the other if we have divisions but I hateit whenyou don't play all the teams. If you are going to do away with divisions then everyone should play everyone twice. It sure would have been nice to have UK on our baseball schedule this year or get to play Vandy every season in football.
Because Forida and KY will win the SEC every year but I do think State will be number two or number three many times in the futureand would have been during the past 12 years if the SEC did not have division. It's the freaking NCAA touney that he has problem's with. He seems to do pretty good in the SEC tourney.
I don't see them adding more SEC games. I think school's rivals will play twice every year, but other than that I like it random or some sort of system in place to decide who you play twice and who you play once
Both teams suffer from low RPI and playing UK and FL only once a year. Playing them twice a year, gives each school a chance not only for a solid RPI win, but it helps the overall RPI.
If this gets implemented next year, that is a good thing for MSU who should have a really good team, and could easily get wins against the SEC East teams at home.
If this gets implemented next year, that is a good thing for MSU who should have a really good team, and could easily get wins against the SEC East teams at home.
Otherwise teams will have an unfair advantage the years they only play UK, Vandy, UF, and STATE once... I think baseball needs to follow suit next..
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<span class="tweet-full-name">Brandon Marcello</span></span><div class="tweet-corner"><div class="tweet-meta"><span class="icons"><div class="extra-icons"><span class="inlinemedia-icons"></span></div></span></div></div></div><div class="tweet-row"><div class="tweet-text pretty-link">Rick Stansbury was against disbanding divisions when we chatted yesterday and <span class="at">@</span><span class="at-text">wesrucker247</span> says vote was 11-1 to disband today. Hmm."</div></div>
"bmarcello
<span class="tweet-full-name">Brandon Marcello</span></span><div class="tweet-corner"><div class="tweet-meta"><span class="icons"><div class="extra-icons"><span class="inlinemedia-icons"></span></div></span></div></div></div><div class="tweet-row"><div class="tweet-text pretty-link">Rick Stansbury was against disbanding divisions when we chatted yesterday and <span class="at">@</span><span class="at-text">wesrucker247</span> says vote was 11-1 to disband today. Hmm."</div></div>
It will also help the RPIs because that would replace 6 bad nonconference games on the schedule with SEC teams.
18 should be the limit. SEC has just been too weak, 22 conference games will not help us that much, scheduling better non-conference games will. It is unlikely we would only play one 2 game series out of UF, Vandy, and UK, so 18 conference games sounds about right.
I don't want to rehash all this but don't you think that is just a hair dramatic? I was ready for a change at the top after this past season but I don't think many were questioning why Stansbury had kept his job at MSU for this long prior to that.Coach34 said:
Take away those West titles and we were still one of the better teams in the SECduring his tenure up until the last two years.
hell, we could just get rid of conference affiliations altogether. Nobody gives a **** about winning a conference anymore.
<div><div>Here's the RPIs of the non conference games we played last year: (warrennolan.com)</div><div>53<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space
re"> </span>Saint Mary's College (loss)</div><div>65<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Virginia Tech (loss)</div><div>71<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Washington State (loss)</div><div>89<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>East Tennessee State (loss)</div><div>115<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Florida Atlantic (loss)</div><div>145<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Detroit</div><div>163<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Hawai'i (loss)</div><div>195<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Appalachian State</div><div>232<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>North Carolina A&T</div><div>237<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Tennessee State</div><div>239<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Nicholls State</div><div>260<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Alabama State</div><div>266<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Troy</div><div>318<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>San Diego</div><div>
</div><div>Here's the RPIs of the teams from the East that we could have played twice if the SEC had a 22-game schedule:</div><div>5<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Kentucky</div><div>9<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Florida</div><div>27<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Vanderbilt</div><div>41<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Tennessee</div><div>52<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Georgia</div><div>139<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>South Carolina</div><div>
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</div><div>Going to 22 games would force us to eliminate six nonconference games. Even if we did the typical MSU/Stansbury thing and eliminated the six toughest ones, and then went 1-5 in the extra SEC games, our RPI would improve by getting better losses. More likely, we go 3-3 in the extra games and improve our RPI a good bit. Even better would be eliminating a mix of bad and good nonconference games and bringing up our RPI even more.</div><div>
</div><div>The effect will be magnified, though, when all 12 SEC teams do this. Everyone's RPI will rise, and in a recursive loop, help pull everyone else's RPI up even more by taking up a higher % of the SOS and OSOS.</div><div>
</div><div>In football, we play 2/3 of the total regular season games against nonconference foes. Why can't we do that in basketball too? 22 games is the way to go. It's uninteresting to watch us play so many nobodies every year, and downright depressing to lose some of them. Let's at least be playing a fair, complete double round robin and have a stronger resume on Selection Sunday. It wouldn't have mattered for us this past year, but it would have for Alabama. And in 2010, it would have made a huge difference for us.</div></div>
re"> </span>Saint Mary's College (loss)</div><div>65<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Virginia Tech (loss)</div><div>71<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Washington State (loss)</div><div>89<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>East Tennessee State (loss)</div><div>115<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Florida Atlantic (loss)</div><div>145<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Detroit</div><div>163<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Hawai'i (loss)</div><div>195<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Appalachian State</div><div>232<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>North Carolina A&T</div><div>237<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Tennessee State</div><div>239<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Nicholls State</div><div>260<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Alabama State</div><div>266<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Troy</div><div>318<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>San Diego</div><div></div><div>Here's the RPIs of the teams from the East that we could have played twice if the SEC had a 22-game schedule:</div><div>5<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space
re"> </span>Kentucky</div><div>9<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Florida</div><div>27<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Vanderbilt</div><div>41<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Tennessee</div><div>52<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>Georgia</div><div>139<span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-spacere"> </span>South Carolina</div><div></div><div>
</div><div>Going to 22 games would force us to eliminate six nonconference games. Even if we did the typical MSU/Stansbury thing and eliminated the six toughest ones, and then went 1-5 in the extra SEC games, our RPI would improve by getting better losses. More likely, we go 3-3 in the extra games and improve our RPI a good bit. Even better would be eliminating a mix of bad and good nonconference games and bringing up our RPI even more.</div><div>
</div><div>The effect will be magnified, though, when all 12 SEC teams do this. Everyone's RPI will rise, and in a recursive loop, help pull everyone else's RPI up even more by taking up a higher % of the SOS and OSOS.</div><div>
</div><div>In football, we play 2/3 of the total regular season games against nonconference foes. Why can't we do that in basketball too? 22 games is the way to go. It's uninteresting to watch us play so many nobodies every year, and downright depressing to lose some of them. Let's at least be playing a fair, complete double round robin and have a stronger resume on Selection Sunday. It wouldn't have mattered for us this past year, but it would have for Alabama. And in 2010, it would have made a huge difference for us.</div></div>
What is the rational for doing away with divisions?? I don't like it. And I know I'm probably in the very small minority. Unless everyone plays everyone twice, it's stupid in my opinion. Or why not do what we do for baseball? Give the top 2 seeds to the two division winners, then seed the rest of it. You wanna make the basketball season interesting, only take the top 8 for the basketball tournament. Coaches would NEVER go for that, I'm sure.
I just think this is a chic, trendy thing to do and not really well thought out. Someone is gonna have to convince me why this should be done. Actually, sounds like it's already done.
I just think this is a chic, trendy thing to do and not really well thought out. Someone is gonna have to convince me why this should be done. Actually, sounds like it's already done.
That's where you are wrong. People do give a **** about winning the conference. Hence the CHAMPIONSHIP GAME and Conference CHAMPIONSHIP TOURNAMENTS. Divisions make perfect sense in football. They would make sense in hoops IF other conferences did it, but they don't. The SEC was holding on to something that doesn't matter and has cost teams NCAA bids in the past several years. It was cute when the pro crowd could trot out the point that the SEC West champion had never been left out of the Dance, but that's just not the case anymore.
Hanmudog said:
2 bids the last 6 years would get alot of coaches fired- especially with only one being an at-large bid.
Bottom line- we have only been good enough to make the NCAA Tourney 1 time in the last 6 seasons- plenty of people wonder why we have kept him and are glad we have.
Now we have to face Bama and UPig with better coaches and better recruiting classes- I told you The Recruiter missed his window- watch it unfold this winter
If anything, the two MS schools benefit from the current football schedule structure... with us getting UK every year and OM geting Vandy every year.
No one from the East can make it to Atlanta without facing atleast LSU, Ark, Bama, or Auburn.... is it unfair to them?
If anything, the schedule structure justmakes it more of a crap shoot.... it all depends on which year you catch your rotating opponents. How lucky are we that we're getting UGA this year and last? Due to suspensions last year, we caught UGA in one of it's worst seasons in a while. Next year could potentially be much of the same. And also, how about Florida last season? We really lucked out and caught them in a year when they struggled big time. If anything, the rotating schedule HELPED us last year.</p>
No one from the East can make it to Atlanta without facing atleast LSU, Ark, Bama, or Auburn.... is it unfair to them?
If anything, the schedule structure justmakes it more of a crap shoot.... it all depends on which year you catch your rotating opponents. How lucky are we that we're getting UGA this year and last? Due to suspensions last year, we caught UGA in one of it's worst seasons in a while. Next year could potentially be much of the same. And also, how about Florida last season? We really lucked out and caught them in a year when they struggled big time. If anything, the rotating schedule HELPED us last year.</p>
you weren't around the interwebs for the arguments at the time. Just like the divisions in basketball right now, the rotation change was based on a knee jerk reaction to the success of someone who wasn't a traditional power, and the balance of power at the time.
Our other permanent opponent was USC in addition to UK. That would've somewhat helped us in 2002-04 (rotation changed for '02 season), but then we quickly became the beneficiaries as Spurrier arrived in Columbia.
Preacher, choir.
Our other permanent opponent was USC in addition to UK. That would've somewhat helped us in 2002-04 (rotation changed for '02 season), but then we quickly became the beneficiaries as Spurrier arrived in Columbia.
Preacher, choir.
I wasn't really a fan of State until I got there in 2000 and had no clue of the scheduling history. Thanks for the info.
I would just rather us take some personal responsibility for our scheduling and just do a better job. I mean the Big East has like 16 teams and they play an 18 conference game schedule. We would be playing 4 more conference games than other conference. Like you said, it is uninteresting to play so many nobodies in non-conference, but this is the SEC and football is king. Going to a 22 game conference schedule would have conference games starting in early-mid December, and I just don't think the typical SEC fan is ready for conference basketball then. In the current system conference games start in Jan... after bowl season. I know the ****** "travel around the Western hemisphere" thing in December sucked last year but I do like us to be in one of those early season tournaments, preferably coaches vs cancer like we were a few years ago.