How to control NIL and Transfer Portal

[Sunshinedynomite 1]

Here is how you rein it in-

NIL needs published-
Transfers can transfer 1 time free no sitting out.
Have a public site that shows what the NIL is.
I.e in the 4 pack Tesla deal with PSU- publish and state estimated value and time frame. If a booster group or company wants to give NIL they need to share it. really don’t care if xyz school wants to give abc recruit or current player get 1 billion dollars just publish it

transfers one freebie- you can leave no matter what after the first you need to sit out one year and pay your own way to school

two gotchas-

1 - NIL you still can do back end deals the problem is the IRS won’t like this and that his how Al Capone was brought down

2- transfers if after the first freebie what happens if coach leaves. My take tough sorry. If you sign with East Texas state transfer to middle Minnesota tech the coach leaves sorry you are stuck or you sit out another year. My take is that year doesn’t count towards eligibility so a kid could basically get 6-7-10 years of eligibility

 

[JoeLion]

Nil comparisons will become similar to compensation comparisons in companies, against “policy” to discuss or disclose but is done none the less. Causing internal strife, hard feelings and more portal entries….IMHO.

 

[psu31trap]

Nil comparisons will become similar to compensation comparisons in companies, against “policy” to discuss or disclose but is done none the less. Causing internal strife, hard feelings and more portal entries….IMHO.

Like government employees, privates sector employees should have their compensation made public at every level.

 

[JerseyLion]

Here is how you rein it in-

NIL needs published-
Transfers can transfer 1 time free no sitting out.
Have a public site that shows what the NIL is.
I.e in the 4 pack Tesla deal with PSU- publish and state estimated value and time frame. If a booster group or company wants to give NIL they need to share it. really don’t care if xyz school wants to give abc recruit or current player get 1 billion dollars just publish it

transfers one freebie- you can leave no matter what after the first you need to sit out one year and pay your own way to school

two gotchas-

1 - NIL you still can do back end deals the problem is the IRS won’t like this and that his how Al Capone was brought down

2- transfers if after the first freebie what happens if coach leaves. My take tough sorry. If you sign with East Texas state transfer to middle Minnesota tech the coach leaves sorry you are stuck or you sit out another year. My take is that year doesn’t count towards eligibility so a kid could basically get 6-7-10 years of eligibility

I'm sure the IRS didn't like the back door deals before NIL, but it was still happening. At least an NIL deal can help explain the new car.

 

[PSUJam]

transfers one freebie- you can leave no matter what after the first you need to sit out one year and pay your own way to school

Right now players can transfer one time and have to sit out a year if they want to transfer a second.

If the player is looking to transfer a second time, they likely will either transfer to the NFL or sit out a year until eligible for the NFL if the reason for transfer is football related.

The part about publishing all deals is an honest man's take.

 

[lions1995]

Like government employees, privates sector employees should have their compensation made public at every level.

Private companies should not be required to show their employees compensation. I don't want anyone knowing what I make and I don't even discuss that with my friends.

 

[GrimReaper]

Private companies should not be required to show their employees compensation. I don't want anyone knowing what I make and I don't even discuss that with my friends.

That is never happening. Not only, like you, do most (private sector) employees not want their comp to be made public, their employers don't want it either.

 

[Roar More]

Contracts instead of scholarships will put an end to free agency. A scholarship can be part of the contract. Like with the NFL, the number of contract players can be limited. I see no other way to end this madness.

 

[Bkmtnittany1]

Answer me this… if somebody gives me $250k on top of my scholarship to play a sport, am I not required to pay taxes on that 250k? Or the business that gave the $?

 

[LionJim]

Answer me this… if somebody gives me $250k on top of my scholarship to play a sport, am I not required to pay taxes on that 250k? Or the business that gave the $?

It’s your responsibility for the taxes.

 

[Sunshinedynomite 1]

Right now players can transfer one time and have to sit out a year if they want to transfer a second.

If the player is looking to transfer a second time, they likely will either transfer to the NFL or sit out a year until eligible for the NFL if the reason for transfer is football related.

The part about publishing all deals is an honest man's take.

Why can JT Daniels go from USC, to WVU and then Rice?

 

[Nitt1300]

there is no way to control it, quit dreaming

 

[JerseyLion]

That is never happening. Not only, like you, do most (private sector) employees not want their comp to be made public, their employers don't want it either.

Too bad the New York State employers don't have a choice any more.

 

[Nitt1300]

Too bad the New York State employers don't have a choice any more.

link?

 

[LionJim]

Too bad the New York State employers don't have a choice any more.

link?

The salaries of State of Maryland employees are public record, including those of faculty at UMd. It’s been that way for awhile, just saying.

 

[PSUJam]

Why can JT Daniels go from USC, to WVU and then Rice?

Because he's a grad transfer and those rules have been on the books for a few years. You're really worried about a guy that started at USC then ends up at Rice?

Just wait until a player sues the NCAA for more years of eligibility and the NCAA loses because they have no leg to stand on.

 

[JerseyLion]

link?

It’s for new job listings. You can Google it.

 

[Sunshinedynomite 1]

Because he's a grad transfer and those rules have been on the books for a few years. You're really worried about a guy that started at USC then ends up at Rice?

Just wait until a player sues the NCAA for more years of eligibility and the NCAA loses because they have no leg to stand on.

Not worried just asking.

 

[GrimReaper]

It’s for new job listings. You can Google it.

Requirement is to post a range, not what a person was hired at, or even if someone was hired at all. Also doesn't require posting of potential bonuses and other fringes.. Useful for a job hunter, virtually useless beyond.

 

[PSUJam]

Not worried just asking.

Not trying to be a jerk. Sorry if that came off wrong.

 

[Sunshinedynomite 1]

Not trying to be a jerk. Sorry if that came off wrong.

All is good cheers fella

 

[blion72]

Because he's a grad transfer and those rules have been on the books for a few years. You're really worried about a guy that started at USC then ends up at Rice?

Just wait until a player sues the NCAA for more years of eligibility and the NCAA loses because they have no leg to stand on.

the grad transfers are kind of confusing some of the media into thinking that all players have unlimited transfers. I think unlimited transfer was considered and did not pass at NCAA.

that leads to one of the big issues and that is what is the role of the NCAA, OR any other type of organization that tries to institute governance and compliance to rules. Several in the media say we need a football czar org, but when they say what it will do it sounds like the NCAA. Until there can be agreement on the governance structure, and something can be done to ensure that it has actual oversight power, you will have chaotic world. I have heard lawyers state that if you want congress to act, then the easy thing would be for them to give NCAA anti-trust exemption, as all the legal challenges have been around anti-trust.

the other issue is the NIL is being construed as compensation to play. I think these are two different things, as not every player is going to have an NIL value. If nobody knows your name, recognizes you or understands what you do, there is no NIL value. Aaron gets the State Farm deal due to his NIL value (i think around $3M per year). NIL is about the individual and not the team.....one guy is worth $1M to an advertiser and another is worth $0.

If we move to the comp to play and say the TV deals are for FOOTBALL (i.e. not the golf team) then the money is just for running football and paying players and coaches plus the overhead to run the programs. That means they are employees (I guess do not need to attend classes) and their comp is not part of Title IX. They probably are part of the employee standards and benefits at each school. All the other sports will take a major hit as not many schools are going to be able to backstop all these sports with football $$$ being shared. I think this is why you have university leaders saying this is "complicated". They don't know what to do with the sports that will no longer have funding, and cannot afford to just push tuition revenue over the the AD to cover say golf. One media guy just said it is simple = they all become club sports at the edge of the university.

 

[PSUJam]

the grad transfers are kind of confusing some of the media into thinking that all players have unlimited transfers. I think unlimited transfer was considered and did not pass at NCAA.

that leads to one of the big issues and that is what is the role of the NCAA, OR any other type of organization that tries to institute governance and compliance to rules. Several in the media say we need a football czar org, but when they say what it will do it sounds like the NCAA. Until there can be agreement on the governance structure, and something can be done to ensure that it has actual oversight power, you will have chaotic world. I have heard lawyers state that if you want congress to act, then the easy thing would be for them to give NCAA anti-trust exemption, as all the legal challenges have been around anti-trust.

the other issue is the NIL is being construed as compensation to play. I think these are two different things, as not every player is going to have an NIL value. If nobody knows your name, recognizes you or understands what you do, there is no NIL value. Aaron gets the State Farm deal due to his NIL value (i think around $3M per year). NIL is about the individual and not the team.....one guy is worth $1M to an advertiser and another is worth $0.

If we move to the comp to play and say the TV deals are for FOOTBALL (i.e. not the golf team) then the money is just for running football and paying players and coaches plus the overhead to run the programs. That means they are employees (I guess do not need to attend classes) and their comp is not part of Title IX. They probably are part of the employee standards and benefits at each school. All the other sports will take a major hit as not many schools are going to be able to backstop all these sports with football $$$ being shared. I think this is why you have university leaders saying this is "complicated". They don't know what to do with the sports that will no longer have funding, and cannot afford to just push tuition revenue over the the AD to cover say golf. One media guy just said it is simple = they all become club sports at the edge of the university.

From what I've read, coaches anticipate collective bargaining coming soon for football. Not sure how it will work for other sports.

 

[blion72]

From what I've read, coaches anticipate collective bargaining coming soon for football. Not sure how it will work for other sports.

I think that is the consensus - and most hope for that end. That leads to the players as employees and an NFL model. I think the coaches and players see the TV $$$ as the property of football, not the athletic department. the trick is how the comp works, is the NIL value something above the comp and what gives with the other sports and AD.

 

[Nitt1300]

I think that is the consensus - and most hope for that end. That leads to the players as employees and an NFL model. I think the coaches and players see the TV $$$ as the property of football, not the athletic department. the trick is how the comp works, is the NIL value something above the comp and what gives with the other sports and AD.

at what point do we bury the entire concept that was college football?

 

[LionJim]

About the grad transfer exception, of which I tend to forget: It gives the players an incentive to get their degree.

 

[Midnighter]

at what point do we bury the entire concept that was college football?

Soon. As in, once they start getting paid by the school/conference. Warren has already mentioned this…

 

[Corner Room Breakfast]

Coaches are already snitching on other coaches.Schools that paid big money for recruits last year processed some of the same recruits this year. Outbidding, last day deals , recruits demanding tweet followers and it's just starting to get ugly.

I knew a very good baseball player and would tease him that he didn't go to PSU ( he went to a southern school) his answer was the Johnny Football finger rubs, by the way he never made it past AAA, and that was the 1950's .

If a school like Pitt can't fill their stadium now how can the fans handle a ticket increase. The top 15 - 20 schools will survive , it's the border liners that may fold. I'm speaking of NIL only not transfer portal.

 

[PSUJam]

James Franklin surveys Penn State recruiting haul, NIL, more

Penn State coach James Franklin met with reporters on Wednesday afternoon at Beaver Stadium to celebrate the program's latest recruiting haul

www.on3.com

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The ‘Wild, Wild West’​

There will be much, much more on this subject in the coming days and weeks, but Franklin put words to the backroom conversations that have dominated the sport.

In support of name, image, and likeness opportunities for college football players, Franklin expressed concern over the wholly unregulated nature that has taken shape in the past year. Saying there is no guardrail or guidance, Franklin pushed that the current climate is concerning.

And James Franklin met that climate firsthand down this recruiting home stretch.

“Some of the conversations that are happening, they’re crazy, to be honest with you. I got down to the 11th hour of this, and it got as crazy as I’ve seen in my 26 years of doing it,” he said. “We’re going to have to come up with a solution for college athletics as a whole. We’re going to have to come up with a solution specifically for football.”

Again citing Penn State’s place trailing in the space, and the catch-up that has taken place since the installments of new university president Dr. Neeli Bendapudi and athletic director Pat Kraft, Franklin said the program has taken strides and has more ground to make up.

“We’ve made up tremendous ground in a short period of time, but we still got a lot of work to do. The reality is we’re going to solve this problem like we’ve solved every other problem in our history, and that’s together. That’s all of us,” he said. “We have the power of the Penn State brand, but we also have the power of one of the largest living alumni networks. It’s going to take all of us to get to where we want to go.”

 

[Pennst8nut]

Right now players can transfer one time and have to sit out a year if they want to transfer a second.

If the player is looking to transfer a second time, they likely will either transfer to the NFL or sit out a year until eligible for the NFL if the reason for transfer is football related.

The part about publishing all deals is an honest man's take.

Are you kidding? Who is sitting now for a year with a second transfer? JD Daniels is looking to transfer to his 4th school. Phil Jurkovec is now going to his third school. Do you think either of them really cares about a college education?

 

[PSUJam]

Are you kidding? Who is sitting now for a year with a second transfer? JD Daniels is looking to transfer to his 4th school. Phil Jurkovec is now going to his third school. Do you think either of them really cares about a college education?

No I'm not kidding.

 

[GrimReaper]

Are you kidding? Who is sitting now for a year with a second transfer? JD Daniels is looking to transfer to his 4th school. Phil Jurkovec is now going to his third school. Do you think either of them really cares about a college education?

Let's see. Jurkovec was in a masters program at BC and Daniels got his degree from UGa. Of the seven schools that the two have attended or will attend, six are better than PSU., so I guess they care at least a little bit about education.