I guess they didn't coddle pitchers in the old days. Holy sh**!

[onewoof]

He reached back and garnered all of his power, legs like an ox.

As the scouts would say, “ he has a violent yank” In describing his delivery

Gibson had that heavy fastball…it rose up…
”jumped” for the last 10 feet.

Rocker with Vandy had bad mechanics as well. You could see it in his delivery especially with his shoulder.

 

[theoriginalSALTYdog]

Cocaine

Wrong decade and wrong player. . . . . He didn't pitch in the late 70's or 80's. . . . .

 

[MagnoliaHunter]

Nolan Ryan would have thrown 108 using todays gun. These current guns give velocity out of the hand where the old one gave the velocity at 50 feet away from the pitcher. There is a documentary named Fastball, available on Prime, that goes over the science of it all. These people throwing 95 today were not hitting 90 in the Gibson days. Gibson would probably be 97 or 98 on todays guns.

So how would you measure Randy Johnson's velocity? When he released the ball it WAS about 50 ft from the rubber. At least according to every one who ever batted against him.

Just kidding, I agree with you and have seen that documentary.

 

[Lettuce]

Wrong decade and wrong player. . . . . He didn't pitch in the late 70's or 80's. . . . .

Just to clarify, I know. I was speaking on behalf of the rest

 

[TilloDwg]

Nolan Ryan threw 235 pitches in one game (mlb.com)

 

[Cantdoitsal]

Those old guys were badasses. Some of them threw absolute nukes... Feller and Ryan threw as hard as anyone ever. Then they'd go drink a fifth of whiskey, smoke a pack a day of unfiltered cigarettes, skip a few years in their prime to fight a world war, and then run a farm in the off-season.

So no, they didn't throw as many pitches and definitely not as many as max velocity as modern players in the course of the year... They were too busy being men. Men who know how to pace themselves for a full day's work of mowing down batters or enemy soldiers or bottles of whiskey or fields of barley or áss...

Bump.

 

[PooPopsBaldHead]

Nolan Ryan threw 235 pitches in one game (mlb.com)

Nolan had 68 complete games where he gave up 3 hits or less.

In 1991 at age 44, Nolan had a 2.91 ERA (5th in AL), struck out 203 batters (3rd behind 27/28 year olds Randy Johnson and Roger Clemens) and he led the AL in opponents Batting Average (.172), OPS, and K%. At 44 years old, Nolan Ryan was more dominant than prime Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson.

Oh yeah, he threw a no hitter against the Blue Jays where he struck out 16 that season as well. The same Blue Jays with Alomar, Carter, and Olerud that would win the 92' world series. That final fastball to Alomar was pitch #122 and it was clearly over 95 mph. At 44.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

Nolan Ryan threw 235 pitches in one game (mlb.com)

They should do an autopsy on Ryan's right arm when he dies cuz ain't no way in hell it's made of human flesh. Mean upper cut punch to boot.

 

[Lettuce]

Rocker with Vandy had bad mechanics as well. You could see it in his delivery especially with his shoulder.

What a bizarre deal he became. Where is he now?

I’d probably give him until 26 before canning.
He’s prob22-23 now…right?

 

[onewoof]

What a bizarre deal he became. Where is he now?

I’d probably give him until 26 before canning.
He’s prob22-23 now…right?

Out due to surgery recovery. Bednar is also out for surgery recovery

 

[Hot Rock]

The Measure Of A Fastball Has Changed Over The Years

Where velocity is recorded on the journey from the mound to home plate makes all the difference. Take Aroldis Chapman, for example.

www.baseballamerica.com

Just a tidbit from that link:

The moment a baseball leaves a pitcher’s hand, it starts to slow down because of drag. According to University of Illinois physicist Dr. Alan Nathan, a pitch that leaves a pitcher’s hand at 100 mph will (at sea level) slow down by 9 to 10% by the time it crosses the plate some 55-58 feet later.

So that 100 mph pitch could be measured at 100 mph (at the pitcher’s hand), 99 mph (at 50 feet from home plate), 94 mph (midway on its journey) or 91 mph (as it crosses home plate)—the rate of decrease varies based on atmospheric pressure, so a pitch at the altitude of Denver’s Coors Field slows less than a pitch at Tropicana Field in St. Petersburg, Fla.

For decades, comparing pitch velocities has often been an apples-and-oranges

The current MLB Statcast system measures velocity as the pitch leaves the pitcher’s hand.discussion. The first radar guns that began appearing at ballparks in the late 1970s and early 1980s measured pitches much closer to the plate.


My two cents: Nolan Ryan was recorded throwing 100 mph in 1974 with the old radar guns. That could be approaching 110 mph which is way faster than anything ever recorded in modern day history. The fastest on record is 105.8 but that is still way slower than Nolan Ryan and Bob Gibson never was measured. Both would dominate today's game just like they did back then in my opinion.

 

[dawgman.sixpack]

Juan Marichal and Warren Spahn locked up in a 16 inning game where both ended up with 200+ pitches with the game ending 1-0 in favor of the Giants on a home run by Willie Mays.