I remember 10 months ago, the prevailing opinion on this board
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BE H0NEST: 2021 FEELS LIKE IT IS AS FAR AWAY AS 1971
If the season completely goes off the rails, he'll sacrifice Foxhall for another year.
I was trying to think of the words. This pretty much sums it up. Why does it seem like we're the only team who can't build on success? Especially two years after a NC.
I don’t think Lemonis’ fate is tied to the overreactions this board has to every loss of a very young baseball team. We aren’t going to win every game or play well in every game. Assess where we are in April / May by all means, but before last night we’d won 3 straight against quality competition.
Is it the pitching coach's fault that we're fielding at .946 ?
Probably but what good does that do us? What pitching coach can we get on effectively a one year deal? Feels like delaying the inevitable.
Not saying it is, but usually, the HC will sacrifice an assistant or two to keep his job another year.
i said this in another thread a couple of weeks back. Say Saban wins a NC. Goes 4-8 the following year, then starts off the next year 1-3. Is he feeling heat?
Another bad comparison. Saban has a much longer track record and has established it with the program fully his. However Lem has proven the more the program becomes his the worse we get.
And think how bad we would be without the portal You can plan with the portal going forward but this team wasn’t planned with the portal in mind. The portal just bailed him out…kind of.
just to be clear on my point. i think Saban would be feeling massive heat in that scenario that I posed
I meant that more rhetorical rather than directed at you… Meant that our problems run a lot deeper than our pitching coach.
What are you smoking? Where do you get ASU is quality competition? They lost by 10 to UC Irvine last night. They will
probably get swept and be at .500
USM has shown nothing this year either. Nothing. Should’ve been swept at home by Illinois, lucky to win in extra.
If we miss a regional again he has to go. There is no excuse for us to not make the postseason 2 seasons in a row. There are very few programs that put the resources towards baseball that we do. There is only one that spends the money we do to look like the Bad News Bears for 2 years in a row.
We can't even play 17ing defense.
We can't even play 17ing defense.
Percentage wise it's as though we've played the first two games of a football season.
So pretend we went 4-8 last year and now to begin a new season we just beat UT Martin 17-14 and then got blown out by Memphis 42-7.
That's the competition we've faced and that's where we are.
Saban has multiple national championships, conference championships, playoff appearances, etc, with players he recruited.
We can sell the stadium and fan support and tradition although that tradition comes with only one Natty. Does that beat out other schools with nice NIL's for players?
Our problem is relying too much on showcase recruiting. We aren’t watching guys in game situations. Like Dan Campbell said this week “you’ve got to watch the tape”. Players with talent can prepare for a showcase and look like gold. Players that know how to play show up on tape or in person in game play. Showcases don’t show how well someone locates the second and third time through the order. Showcases don’t show how well someone hits in pressure situation. How well they adjust during slumps etc. We are full of showcase guys and travel (who can afford it) ball all stars.
We aren’t having any issues recruiting. The staff just made some big mistakes with last years freshman pitching class. Some of that was loyalty to old commits.
But also Cade, Fristoe, Tepper were all top 115 guys. Hunt was 267. It’s just a lack of development
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Every school uses the showcases as their primary recruiting ground. Its why you have kids that have never played HS ball committing to big time programs. It’s also how you can see large quantities of kids in one trip playing against high level comp. That’s better than driving to one school to see one kid that may not see a pitch to hit.
Its not any coaches’ fault that we have a .946 fielding %. There’s not nearly enough practice time even at the high school level to work on fielding….let alone college. If players are having issues there its on them to fix it and put in time on their own to do so.
Obviously no one knows exactly what has happened, but I suspect that the whole program kind of put it on cruise control after the 21 Natty and it put us in a hole we don’t seem to be able to dig out of. Kind of lost focus while we were basking in the glow of our championship. No more Jake Mangum or Tanner Allen types around to be our leaders. Coaches and players alike must rekindle that internal fire that creates a refuse to lose mentality. Just because we won it all in 21 you can’t assume that future opponents will just fold up like a Walmart lawn chair when they play you. Coaches need to be leaders but don’t necessarily to be the firey type in baseball. On the other hand, the player leaders need to be a bit more intense. If you put either Jake or Tanner on our current team I think it takes on a very different personality and is way more successful. Could be that I don’t have a clue with my opinion, it this is my best guess.
BS. Arizona State is a Top 15 program historically that always has talent. And Irvine isn’t a slouch program either, been to the CWS twice in the past 15 years.
USM will be what they always are….strong regional team at minimum with an outside chance to host.
You must not have been around long enough to see MSU have teams that win 18-19 SEC games yet still lose twice in a weekend to the likes of Holy Cross or Central Arkansas. Our schedule this year is pretty decent and we’re gonna drop some games in the nonconference. It happens.
ASU hasn’t been relevant in college baseball in a while. You’re thinking of Arizona. They were 13-17 in the PAC last year & picked in the bottom half again this year.
THREAD BOTTOM LINE: WE ARE A BASEBALL SKOOL THAT DONUT PLAY BASEBALL
To me it's not the wins and losses. It's the walks and errors. **** happens and you lose games but we don't play baseball the right way.
It appears that someone in the athletic administration, after the near misses with the women's basketball team in recent years, said "never again" and made the deal with the dead Indians in 2021. We are now in the payback phase of that deal, wandering in the wilderness. Hopefully, its not for 40 years.***
In the history of our program we never finished last in the SEC until 2007. Since then we have 4 last place, 1 next to last, & are picked to finish there again this year. I know we’ve had some real successful seasons in there too, but seasons like that just can’t happen more than once every 20 years or so
I thought that Dak orchestrated the treaty with the dead Indians. Apparently we broke the treaty somehow and they are back on the warpath. Hopefully Dak will have a Son that can once again appease the dead Indians in about 20 years. Until then I guess we are just screwed.
I was one that thought it would be next to impossible for Lemonis's job to be on the line after this season, but that was based on what I thought was a reasonable assumption that there was simply no chance that we could be as bad or even worse than last season. Between our awful results last year, lack of player development, and poor performance this year in so many stages of the game, I've now gotta think that Lemonis's job is on the line this year too. Everything that we're witnessing is completely inexcusable for the MSU baseball program no matter how many rings are on your fingers.
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(OR YER MISS’IPPI HAS JUST BEEN CALIFORNIA-ED)
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