I see our school joined the madness
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A program that excludes a certain group of people sure sounds like equal rights!
I would turn usc out if that had gone through. My daughter would be immediately transferred and I would find a way to Sue every walking stiff in Columbia.
Before they shut this one down, there was a thread a month or so ago on this. My takeaway from the discussion. We are clearly at a crossroads among large groups of us in this country who stand on one side vs the other on these things. Unfortunately it seems finding a bridge to compromise is many years away. Hope I’m wrong.
I think everyone knows where I stand. I emailed then Presidents office and told him I’d they try anything like this again there will be consequences and repercussions
This woke **** is tiring. Hope we have to cough up a fortune. My company in an effort to be “woke” and virtue signal got exposed a few days ago. Hope we pay a price cause this crap is sickening. Our country is more worried about teaching lgbtq stuff to kindergartners than protecting them.
And both camps consider the other to be fringe lunatics.
I’ll agree with you here. Somehow we have as a society (hell maybe even as a species) lost the ability to do three things.
1) Respectfully debate and disagree about opinions.
2) understand opinions and facts are not the same thing.
3) understand old commonsensical things like despite our disagreement or the facts we collectively must find compromise to advance in any meaningful way.
Those 3 basic things make me fear we are in for a long ride ahead. Eventually when things get bad enough that they touch everyone, a common goal might be found. Different ideas may combine to form a solution where the sum is greater than its parts. But it seems to me we have a lot more “you’re a fascist” or “you’re a communist” stupidity to get through in the meantime.
That definitely misses the mark - at least on a optics level. But aren't there scholarships based on all sorts of things, including race? Because that's what this really is, a scholarship. You have to complete the course, but then you get a scholarship. Seems that they branded this all wrong.
Well, actually years ago they did create a “special academic program”…..that has allowed the dumbing down of certain students……it’s called General Studies.
Branding? I don't think so.
Seriously, if they marketed this as a minority scholarship opportunity to attend the business school (which is what it is), does anyone blink an eye? Of course not. There are hundreds of scholarship opportunities for any number of things - including being in particular minority groups. They did it the wrong way. They’re trying to encourage minority students to enter into the business world, that’s it. They were off brand here.
You can’t openly bar whites at a public institution. And do Jews and Asians need the help? This was about one thing and one thing only. Affirmative Action is over.
USC isn't barring "whites" from anything - 76.7% of the undergrads at USC are white. The school is just trying to create more diversity on campus (and would love more Asian students and Jewish students as well) - and minority and foreign student scholarships are an easy and effective way of doing this. They branded this as more of a symposium of sorts, instead of a scholarship. They messed up there as it sounded more like a class that only one group could attend as opposed to a scholarship for a certain type of student the school is looking to attract.
I'm afraid our society has become too diverse to agree on anything of importance.
I am absolutely convinced that it is over. We are done. Do Not Pass Go, Do Not Collect 200 Dolla's! Growing up, I remember hearing how we could change the direction of the country and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We cannot. It is over. It is just a matter of time. The politicians (both dems and republicans), the uber liberal "churches" and the educational system have sold us all down the river and there is no return. As someone else mentioned, the educational system is more concerned about spreading the joys of he-she's and convincing the country that all white people are closet racists and this lie that there are 30 something genders than they are the safety of kids at school. That people are even arguing that there are 30+ genders and that transexuals are completely normal and acceptable and that if I argue against that, I am some sort of bigot - that should show you the absolute insanity that has fallen on this country.
I think we've become too diverse for a two party political system - which is what really divides us. With more parties, the sane people in the middle can get together and agree on things that appeal to the majority of citizens and actually move the country forward. As it is, if a dem wants to support a republican candidate that is moderate, it really doesn't matter because that candidate will be voting lock-step with the Qanon/Trump folks or be labeled a RINO. So that dem won't vote that way. The reverse is true too, and a historically-republican voter won't support a moderate dem that will ultimately vote with AOC/Pelosi on every single issue no matter how much they don't agree with it. We have grid lock because good ideas are handcuffed to bad ones - because to stay in power today (as an elected representative) you have to appease your party. More parties, less ties between specific parties and specific ideas, more opportunities to agree.
While I personally am not "supportive" of trans-anything, the free country we live in does allow people to live their lives as they please as long as they don't infringe upon others' desire for the same. I have the right to disapprove of trans-everything; I also have the responsibility to not harass such people and to conduct myself in a civil manner when around them.
The 5 Books of Moses describe homosexuality as sinful behaviour. It also prohibits "cross-dressing." This is not new stuff. For the sake of societal peace, I think we should live and let live.
For those who would call me a bigot, examine my actions, not my words.
Agree completely. I've often said we should have a half dozen political parties allowing various compromising coalitions.
I have no hope it will happen though.
Unfortunately I agree.
Some people will laugh at "the country is doomed" rhetoric, but I think we've passed a tipping point, and I don't see it getting better in the long run.
Agreed. I think one issue (of many) is how some perceive we've gone beyond tolerance and are now pushing for not only acceptance but forced complicity.
Maybe not the best word choice, but the simplest way I could say that we're not being asked to tolerate or live and let live anymore. We must agree, and under threat, support some highly dubious things.
Whether or not the things are "highly dubious" (and I agree with you that they are, but that's just our opinion) is irrelevant. What is relevant is forced complicity.
Yep, I fully agree with this. All you have to do is look at the last few SCOTUS hearings in the Senate. It was all about talking points based on party affiliation, not actual issues. Before the hearings ever even started, the results were a foregone conclusion. It would follow party lines, with very little (if any) cross over support. That's NOT how it's supposed to work.
I can't stand Trump's brand of politics - I refused to vote for him in '16 - but I felt that I had no choice but to vote for him in '20 because there's no real third option. Neither side will work towards the middle for the good of the country. They just play politics without regard for "We the People."
It’s always been that way. That’s not new. People who go against the grain and speak truth to power are labeled either a maverick like McCain or a racist like Trump. My issue is more with the media. It’s in their interest to foment division. Pols play the game.
Gone are the days of Cronkite who was once called " the most trusted man in America". Today the news is slanted on both sides. Division has been sowed in our country. I would wager that most folks are centrists more so than far right or far left. However, it is those extremes of both parties who get the headlines. My hope is that reasonable people of both parties will rise up and say "enough." Unfortunately, I don't think it is as bad as it will become.
Why is that the liberals and progressives on the board always begin by misrepresenting what the issue is (USC introducing a program that excludes one racial group) then change the topic completely (political parties) and just pile on and agree with each other about the new topic? Could it be that they can’t argue the original issue because they are wrong?
Trump doesn't strike me as being racist. He doesn't strike me as empathetic either, i.e., he doesn't care what your skin colour is as long as you can benefit him in some way.
From the tone of most of the posts on this thread, most posters are promoting neither liberalism nor conservatism. It appears that you nicely summed up the original topic. Like most human discussions, this one has devolved into somewhat related topics. And that's fine as long as we all respect each other and their posts. For me, if I disagree with a post, I will state that I disagree with the post, and not the person.
There is nothing quite like putting one's self on a watch list.
I have no problem arguing any of the points in this thread. The original thread was how the school was excluding whites from their precious little program, which is caused by the uber liberal "higher education" institutions embracing the ideas of CRT, which is connected to the idiocy of the leadership of this country and specifically, the democrap party and the far left, crazy LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ groups. All of that is part of what has led me to believe that the good times for this country are behind us now and that it is only a matter of time before the country is over. Perhaps you are unable to follow the flow of the ideas represented here?
I contend that all extremes - be they left, right, liberal, or conservative - do our Constitutional Republic a disservice.
So where does that leave you? If everyone on the right and the left and everyone who either identifies as liberal or conservative is extreme, where does that leave you? Do you just not take a stand on any issue?