I think Franklin is still hindered by the Sanctions PSU went thru.
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Don't worry about NIL. Kraft has fixed it already........hasn't he?
Here’s a trivia question for you. Which PSU coach has lost more to Maryland than all of the other PSU coaches in History?
I don’t remember a Franklin team losing to Temple. I remember a Bob team lost to Temple. Am I wrong??
2015 Franklins second year he lost to Temple which was coached by Rhule.
I do think Franklin (and BOB) were hindered in that neither got the 'hot new coach' recruiting bump that usually happens in the first two years of a new hire. Kids were afraid to commit because of remaining sanctions. Had BOB or Franklin been hired in 2009 for example, they likely land a top five/ten class not long after. Unfortunately, Meyer's tenure at OSU coincided with Joe's firing/Sandusky scandal, which sent many PSU kids packing, and the best of those to OSU.
I seem to remember reading on this board and another one that people predicted that the sanctions would affect us until 2022. The talk was that both lines would be affected the most. I don’t how much of this is true now because the advent of the portal really changed things up.
Couple things here as my mind is all over the place. I don't think Franklin is using sanctions as excuses and was alluding to the OP.
I have not seen improvements on the field of play. Overall in the program yes, but when it comes to the X's and O's, IMO, it seems to be the same old same old year in and year out for the past few years(pre-covid thru this season). Yes, he has lots to deal with now with NIL but the X's and O's need improvement(see other posts about analysis). Blocking and tackling need improvement. I haven't seen any improvement in these areas the past few seasons. Maybe that will change when QB changes next season but only time will tell.
Woody was there for at least two of those losses (1963/1964)
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Don't know about 2022, but I wouldn't call that unreasonable had the original sanctions run their course through 2017. But they were dropped in 2014. Regardless, the premise of the OP is horse manure. And if it isn't, PSU football has a big problem with the self-proclaimed Mr. "Fiercely Loyal" .
I am a Franklin guy, but this is nonsense; this is his 9th year here.
Big Ten record is 46- 30, (.605).
-That averages to roughly a 5-3 conference record per year.
-Over half of his Big Ten wins are over Purdue, Indiana, Maryland, and Rutgers, (24 total).
-Record against Ohio State, Michigan, and Michigan State is 7-19, (.269).
You’re right. That’s what I remember now. They had been talking about the sanctions lasting through 2017. Ever since Covid shutting down 2020 all The years are running together in my head.
You're not alone. Looking forward in 2012, 2022 was not an unreasonable date had the sanctions run through 2017. PSU owes a huge debt of gratitude to Bill O'Brien and Jake Corman.You’re right. That’s what I remember now. They had been talking about the sanctions lasting through 2017. Ever since Covid shutting down 2020 all The years are running together in my head.
So what? That wasn’t my point.
Fun move, making up a fake quote though!
And let me expand on this so it’s clear. I’m not saying I expect Franklin to coach team’s to beat top 5 teams all the time. Or at all for that matter even. But when the talent is even equal, I don’t like our chances. I’ve never been a “fire the coach” guy, and I’m not saying that now either. But 9 years in I feel like I’ve seen enough to know what to expect from a Franklin coached team.
Fun move, making up a fake quote though!
And let me expand on this so it’s clear. I’m not saying I expect Franklin to coach team’s to beat top 5 teams all the time. Or at all for that matter even. But when the talent is even equal, I don’t like our chances. I’ve never been a “fire the coach” guy, and I’m not saying that now either. But 9 years in I feel like I’ve seen enough to know what to expect from a Franklin coached team.
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I at least have to give you credit for being a provocateur
You certainly created some board activity.
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Not taking any side, but on basic facts, here are some important turning points:
- sanctions end 2014 so PSU gets out of jail early - conviction was not legitimate anyhow.
- win BIG champ beat OSU and go to Rose Bowl in 2016 = fast turnaround
- 2017 and 2018 lose to OSU where OSU overcame deficits in 4th qtr. If you look at those games key injuries and some low odds plays made the difference. We equal or better than OSU both seasons.
- Since 2014 our avg recruiting class (* ratings) has been equal or better than UMich, but short of tOSU. Certainly, we do not have to thing of being below UM.
- Coming out of 2019, we were in a position to challenge, and were listed in Phil Steele's preseason book as #5 national rank. COVID, injuries and opt outs changed the season which started weird = dominate Indiana and lose on strange last play. never recovered.
- 2021 started out on fire = top 5 rank and go to Iowa = in control of game and the Clifford injury = no backup (we didn't know CV was on the roster then).
- During JF's time, our player turnover and coaching staff turnover seems higher than our immediate competitors.
- We talk about OL recruiting, but our avg * rating in our OL recruits is higher than places like Iowa, Illinois, Wisconsin, etc. On DL the one place we have really not recruited is the fire hydrant 1-Tech DT. Otherwise the DL has been loaded with high star recruits.
- we are in the top 10 of # players on NFL rosters.
The OLine is in disastrous condition and about to get worse. Front 7 on D is not looking good at all either…going to fall further behind.
Recruiting need a major upgrade. Or learn to develop lineman…lots of them. And what happened to LBU?
Time for Rhule!
The only people that want Rhule are the Joebots and their opinion doesn’t matter because they don’t give to university/athletic dept any longer.
I’m sure this is in CJF’s Rolodex of excuses from which he pulls his After-loss reasons.
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