I think we’re going to learn a lot about this PSU team and Franklin this weekend.

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Yeah, because a perennial 3-4 loss SEC team, e.g. Arkansas or A&M, would hate to pay for a great recruiter and overall program CEO that would likely get them to 10 or 11 wins consistently. Jibberish.
Never mind SEC...anyone who doesn't think Maryland would move heaven and earth to get him back is living in a fantasy world.
 

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Did you miss “wants him and his contract

No one is knocking on the door because he costs too much for whatever value he would add to their program.
If he wins 10 or 11 this year, how much would you be willing to wager no one comes knocking 🤔
 

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Never mind SEC...anyone who doesn't think Maryland would move heaven and earth to get him back is living in a fantasy world.
Maryland? Nope, too much bad blood.
If he wins 10 or 11 this year, how much would you be willing to wager no one comes knocking 🤔
Sure, caveat being how much does he cost. Lot of places would want him. How many are willing and able to spend $9mm, $10mm, or more is another matter. Couldn't even guess who those might be.
 

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Yeah, because a perennial 3-4 loss SEC team, e.g. Arkansas or A&M, would hate to pay for a great recruiter and overall program CEO that would likely get them to 10 or 11 wins consistently. Jibberish.

Nothing is stopping Arkansas or A&M from approaching Franklin and paying big bucks if they so chose to, but neither apparently see Franklin and his financial baggage worth it.
 

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Maryland? Nope, too much bad blood.

Sure, caveat being how much does he cost. Lot of places would want him. How many are willing and able to spend $9mm, $10mm, or more is another matter. Couldn't even guess who those might be.
It only takes one suiter. Did you predict that Mel Tucker would get a 10 year 90 million dollar deal at MSU?
 

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Nip and tuck game decided late. Hope for no injuries. Glocksley will play up the SuperBowl angle to save his job. Yawn. Lions finally get some deep balls and some run plays going (fingers crossed) and the D will be looking to make something happen turnover wise. I think our D will play like sharks in a bloody pool.
“… like sharks in a bloody pool.” Gotta love that analogy.
 

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Apologies for the long thread title.

I had this sudden urge to mimic ..
@StamfordBridgeVikingatLeftOffensiveTackle … and lost my sense of brevity.

That said, PSU seems to be regressing with each game. It’s incumbent on Franklin to demonstrate that he is a coach worthy of $8.5 million per annum.

The Terps might be really dangerous this weekend. They now have the dynamic duo…Gattis & Locksley.
Say what you want about Gattis....but NO ONE has fielded a WR room anything close to what Gattis developed
 

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Nothing is stopping Arkansas or A&M from approaching Franklin and paying big bucks if they so chose to, but neither apparently see Franklin and his financial baggage worth it.
What a specious take. I know you know there are so many other factors that go into such a decision, but please continue to go ahead and take the simpleton approach to justify your hatred for Franklin.
 
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If you take a look at some of the more recent coaching deals, Franklin's is no longer outrageous, and surpassed by the like of Heupel, Stoops, and Kiffin. Happens as years pass. Wonder if Sexton will press for a renegotiation.
And if PSU says no, what does he do
 

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8 more years!
I realize i am in the minority here.....but i am more upset about our academic standing falling than not beating tOSU. Am i happy with everything? Of course not! Do i think CJF must go? NO!! He continues to develop class individuals that are also great football players...that represent the University well with sincerity and dignity. Is he overpaid? Not compared to many other people.
 
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What a specious take. I know you know there are so many other factors that go into such a decision, but please continue to go ahead and take the simpleton approach to justify your hatred for Franklin.

I don’t hate Franklin, I just think he’s out of his league for what he is paid.
 

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It only takes one suiter. Did you predict that Mel Tucker would get a 10 year 90 million dollar deal at MSU?
I'm the last person who would underestimate the stupidity of college athletic directors. Could happen, but the odds are agin it.
 

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Don't know much do you. Franklin and Kraft are in lock step. So much closer and friendlier than with Sandy.
Franklin was close enough with Sandy to hug and lift her. His relationship with Kraft is a bit different despite your misperceptions of same.
 

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Well he got us to the point where we are the third best out of 14 Big 10 teams. Is that so bad? And our recruiting continues to improve. The program is clean - as opposed to Michigan. I like our chances going forward and I think Franklin is a fine representative of the university. We could do much worse.
 
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Well he got us to the point where we are the third best out of 14 Big 10 teams. Is that so bad? And our recruiting continues to improve. The program is clean - as opposed to Michigan. I like our chances going forward and I think Franklin is a fine representative of the university. We could do much worse.


And how would your opinion change if Penn State drops to 5th or 6th with the new additions coming into the conference? Would you be as happy being the Ole Miss or Tennessee of the Big Ten?
 

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And how would your opinion change if Penn State drops to 5th or 6th with the new additions coming into the conference? Would you be as happy being the Ole Miss or Tennessee of the Big Ten?
Just explain to me the upside of being unhappy as a fan? With Oregon, Washington and USC coming in......you don't expect to see them near or at the top? With the advent of the 12 team playoff, two and perhaps even 3 loss teams will be considered (from the big ten and sec). PSU will do well to finish 9-3 or 8-4 next year. I'm sure it's gonna all be the fault of James Franklin!
You heard it hear first. We deserve better!
 

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Just explain to me the upside of being unhappy as a fan? With Oregon, Washington and USC coming in......you don't expect to see them near or at the top? With the advent of the 12 team playoff, two and perhaps even 3 loss teams will be considered (from the big ten and sec). PSU will do well to finish 9-3 or 8-4 next year. I'm sure it's gonna all be the fault of James Franklin!
You heard it hear first. We deserve better!

What's the upside of being unhappy in your job? Or in your relationship? A rational person would look to improve that situation or look for a better situation. The same calculus applies to fans as well. People have always seen fandom as some sort of absolute. If you're a graduate of the school, the math is different. But a majority of fans are not graduates of the schools they root for. So for those people, it becomes a cost/benefit analysis.

How much time and money am I willing to spend on a team that has no realistic chance of winning a national championship? Am I in it for titles or entertainment? How much entertainment do I get watching my chosen team lose every big game that they play?

Ultimately, unhappiness is expressed in behavior. Fans without concrete connections will stop attending or watching games. They'll stop buying merch.

This is also why James Franklin will never be fired. Not that he would cost to much to get rid of, but because Penn State's balance sheet shows him as a net positive to the athletic department and to the university as a whole. Penn State is clearly taking a pragmatic approach to their program.
 
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I think the season is still exciting. If the Lion's win their remaining games can they make the playoffs?
 

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What's the upside of being unhappy in your job? Or in your relationship? A rational person would look to improve that situation or look for a better situation. The same calculus applies to fans as well. People have always seen fandom as some sort of absolute. If you're a graduate of the school, the math is different. But a majority of fans are not graduates of the schools they root for. So for those people, it becomes a cost/benefit analysis.

How much time and money am I willing to spend on a team that has no realistic chance of winning a national championship? Am I in it for titles or entertainment? How much entertainment do I get watching my chosen team lose every big game that they play?

Ultimately, unhappiness is expressed in behavior. Fans without concrete connections will stop attending or watching games. They'll stop buying merch.

This is also why James Franklin will never be fired. Not that he would cost to much to get rid of, but because Penn State's balance sheet shows him as a net positive to the athletic department and to the university as a whole. Penn State is clearly taking a pragmatic approach to their program.
I hope you have more control over your job, career and personal relationships than you do over the fate of PSU Football. Every fan can enter the portal. Franklin isn’t going anywhere...no matter how unhappy it makes you. Unless he decides to leave. So the ball is in your court.
 
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I hope you have more control over your job, career and personal relationships than you do over the fate of PSU Football. Every fan can enter the portal. Franklin isn’t going anywhere...no matter how unhappy it makes you. Unless he decides to leave. So the ball is in your court.


I do. Which is why I don't put nearly as much time, energy, or money into Penn State football anymore.

I doubt I'll watch another game after watching that team fall directly onto their faces against Ohio State. If they had been competitive, it might be a different story. But they weren't. They were outplayed and outcoached at almost every turn.
 

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I do. Which is why I don't put nearly as much time, energy, or money into Penn State football anymore.

I doubt I'll watch another game after watching that team fall directly onto their faces against Ohio State. If they had been competitive, it might be a different story. But they weren't. They were outplayed and outcoached at almost every turn.
I commend you for not wasting your time anymore. I'll let you know how the season turns out.
 

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I do. Which is why I don't put nearly as much time, energy, or money into Penn State football anymore.

I doubt I'll watch another game after watching that team fall directly onto their faces against Ohio State. If they had been competitive, it might be a different story. But they weren't. They were outplayed and outcoached at almost every turn.
The irony of not spending 3 hours watching a game on Saturday but spending significant time on a message board pronouncing that you’re no longer going to pay attention to Penn State football.
 

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By this point in the season you are what you are.
Jo'pa and Woody were able to win with 3 yards and a cloud of dust for years. Maybe we can do the same. We do have 7 W's so far....and Singleton and Allen. Gotta dance with the one who brung ya.
 

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Jo'pa and Woody were able to win with 3 yards and a cloud of dust for years. Maybe we can do the same. We do have 7 W's so far....and Singleton and Allen. Gotta dance with the one who brung ya.
So, The Lions Legacy Club Facebook page is showing highlights of recent PSU games at Maryland. It’s amazing what a difference Dotson and Washington made on that 21’ team. Yurcich and Franklin used them to perfection in that game and Clifford delivered the ball on time and hit them in stride. I so wish we see half of that explosiveness on Saturday.
 
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