I want someone to defend Arnett

[Hail_STATE]

Ok….so?


hmm..because that’s the last time remember a team being this poorly cosched


be honest with my argument? What argument is being made by posting stats with zero commentary - I’m sorry you’re sensitive

Well you know where the buck stops? Zach Arntit he recruited the Mike Wright

You'd call for Arnett's head regardless if Mike Wright was good or bad. If he was good, you'd question why he wasn't starting sooner. Seems like everyone on this godforsaken board had stock in mike wright prior to seeing him play against Arkansas.

I'm sorry you are too sensitive to realize a new offensive scheme (one that most fans wanted while ML was running air raid) is going to take time to adapt. Sorry your only method of argument is to misspell a dude's name.

I honestly don't care what happens with ZA. I just think its pitiful that a message board can almost unanimously pray for a loss so they can hop on here and ***** about firing the coach more.

 

[olblue]

That **** works for the Pontotoc hookers. Should work for Captain Arnept

One thing you can always count on when a coach is on the hot seat. The middle schooler comes out in grown men trying to be cute with lame nicknames.

 

[Hail_STATE]

NO, I didn't expect an offensive line with 4 6th-year seniors and 1 5th-year senior to suck. The change of offense made this happen.

My guy, they didn't just randomly get lazy overnight. They are late on pulls. They are late on blocks. They constantly miss their blocks.

Our frustrations with Dolla Bill have been present since the day he set foot on the field.

You can't beg for a run game and be shocked when your OL who were recruited to stand still and pass block can't run and have no agility (which are both needed in run blocking).

So technically you are right, but let's not act like for the past 3 years during the Air Raid this board wasn't blowing up with fans calling for a more balanced offense or a run-heavy offense. Let's not ignore the fact that we had whole-*** media campaigns dedicated to "running the bawl"

 

[OG Goat Holder]

My guy, they didn't just randomly get lazy overnight. They are late on pulls. They are late on blocks. They constantly miss their blocks.

Our frustrations with Dolla Bill have been present since the day he set foot on the field.

You can't beg for a run game and be shocked when your OL who were recruited to stand still and pass block can't run and have no agility (which are both needed in run blocking).

So technically you are right, but let's not act like for the past 3 years during the Air Raid this board wasn't blowing up with fans calling for a more balanced offense or a run-heavy offense. Let's not ignore the fact that we had whole-*** media campaigns dedicated to "running the bawl"

No doubt it was - those people were idiots. I am very consistent in my criticism of our RuN tHe BaWl fans. And no, those linemen were not lazy under the Leach regime. But that was nearly a year ago.

That's another mark of an incompetent coach - the players appear lazy, out of shape, and are susceptible to injuries. Happened to Croom and Moorhead too.

 

[Hail_STATE]

So basically you are one of the “let’s not jump to conclusions” folks until we get throttled at home by UM. Then it’s time to
move.

I mean.. we are sitting here analyzing the difference in this year and one of Croom’s years? Croom? Croom! If there is a COMPARISON with Croom that is enough to get the axe.

I can compare to other years if you'd like?

What benefit do you reckon we would have by firing a coach mid season? There's nothing that an interim coach would do that isn't already being done. Injuries don't magically heal, players with low-IQ don't magically get smarter.

If the season is doomed, let it be doomed and let all questions about the decision be made. Until then, be cool and calm and hope that we can squeak a win out against TAMU or OM (they aren't football juggernauts).

What we can and should do as fans is require our media personnel to ask questions and light a fire under staff instead of asking the basic-white-girl questions they have been asking the last 8 weeks. Force Arnett to show emotion rather than answering the softball questions he gets every week. We had the same issue with Lemonis earlier this season.

 

[beachbumdawg]

You'd call for Arnett's head regardless if Mike Wright was good or bad. If he was good, you'd question why he wasn't starting sooner. Seems like everyone on this godforsaken board had stock in mike wright prior to seeing him play against Arkansas.

I'm sorry you are too sensitive to realize a new offensive scheme (one that most fans wanted while ML was running air raid) is going to take time to adapt. Sorry your only method of argument is to misspell a dude's name.

I honestly don't care what happens with ZA. I just think its pitiful that a message board can almost unanimously pray for a loss so they can hop on here and ***** about firing the coach more.

You know there was another coach at State that claimed it takes time (up ti 3 years to grasp) to implement their offensive system

don’t believe I ever called for WRIGHT over Rogers but good try

not sensitive big guy/girl - Mullen went 5-7 in year 1 but you could tell there was improvement

 

[99jc]

I'll bite.

I'm just as frustrated with this team as anyone else, but ZA isn't the end all be all excuse for all of our woes this season.

Everyone knew from day one our OL and Secondary sucked. Happens. DBs usually take 2 years in a system to really be amazing, and our OL are a bunch of lazy bums that couldn't (maybe still can't) run block to save their lives. Watch our guards and tackles pull left/right. They are constantly beat, they constantly miss blocks and they aren't fast at all.

To both of those positions' credit, they have improve drastically. Our defense has actually kept us in 3 games since BYE and given us shots to win each one (I know people don't like to hear that, but its true).

Mike Wright is helpless. There is no scheme that works for him. He does one thing well: run straight ahead. If he has to turn or juke, he looks like he is a newborn deer learning to walk. He stares down his receivers like they are the hot route in madden and when they aren't open, he chunks it at them anyway. He constantly throws into double coverage and you can absolutely tell he throws his passes AT the receiver vs where they will be. Not to mention sometimes they come out of his hand so quick I am surprised anyone can catch them. His madden stats would be 0 Awareness, 0 Agility, 0 Vision. No scheme will work for him - there's a reason he didn't start at Vandy. I single-handedly place the blame for our loss to Auburn squarely on his shoulders. We had chance after chance to rally.

With that said, the UK game to me came down to one thing: refs pissed off at our players and preventing late-game comeback drives from turning into touchdowns. Those two redzone PFs on two consecutive drives were clearly just retaliation for mouthing off to one of them, and IMO its nice to see players care enough to show emotion. 0 was right. That should have been a hands to the face and he was likely just frustrated he was constantly being mauled. He took it too far, but I specifically told a friend at that point "these refs are going to purposefully stall a few of our drives now because of that". Look what happened?

Wright didn't put us in the best position to win, and I think Parson definitely should have been given the nod, but you could clearly see he was nervous on his first drive.

Like it or not, our team is showing improvement - secondary is better, OL is better, defense is playing like they did 2 years ago when we had the same frustrations about Leach and our offense coming out stale. This team is starting to click.

ZA should get a chance to come back for 1 more year given that Barbay makes some position coach changes, we get some improvement to our recruiting class, and we don't simply lose out. I would like to stay competitive in each of our last games, and I think that is absolutely possible.

This team is showing improvement We have definitely had underperforming teams in the past, and this is no worse than Dan Mullen's 2016 team going 5-7. In fact, I would say we had less returning this year than we did that year, and on top of that, we lost our two most productive offensive players right as the team was finding some form of groove with the new offense, and also going into the most winnable 3 game SEC stretch on the schedule. Say what you will about Rogers, but he gets us yards and he is head and shoulders above Mike Wright.

At this point, I am not sure if ZA will return or not, but I think our fans are making a boneheaded decision right now by getting the pitchforks out and running him off. If he leaves, its 100% a move to appease the fanbase.

That's a full defense from someone who is really just on the fence about it all at this point. If he stays, cool. It's most certainly not gonna be croom 2.0 and I'll still watch every down. If we get rid of him, well I hope our fanbase is ready for another mediocre season while our players learn yet another offensive scheme and adjust.

you sir are a idiot. nothing more to say

 

[olblue]

I'll bite.

I'm just as frustrated with this team as anyone else, but ZA isn't the end all be all excuse for all of our woes this season.

Everyone knew from day one our OL and Secondary sucked. Happens. DBs usually take 2 years in a system to really be amazing, and our OL are a bunch of lazy bums that couldn't (maybe still can't) run block to save their lives. Watch our guards and tackles pull left/right. They are constantly beat, they constantly miss blocks and they aren't fast at all.

To both of those positions' credit, they have improve drastically. Our defense has actually kept us in 3 games since BYE and given us shots to win each one (I know people don't like to hear that, but its true).

Mike Wright is helpless. There is no scheme that works for him. He does one thing well: run straight ahead. If he has to turn or juke, he looks like he is a newborn deer learning to walk. He stares down his receivers like they are the hot route in madden and when they aren't open, he chunks it at them anyway. He constantly throws into double coverage and you can absolutely tell he throws his passes AT the receiver vs where they will be. Not to mention sometimes they come out of his hand so quick I am surprised anyone can catch them. His madden stats would be 0 Awareness, 0 Agility, 0 Vision. No scheme will work for him - there's a reason he didn't start at Vandy. I single-handedly place the blame for our loss to Auburn squarely on his shoulders. We had chance after chance to rally.

With that said, the UK game to me came down to one thing: refs pissed off at our players and preventing late-game comeback drives from turning into touchdowns. Those two redzone PFs on two consecutive drives were clearly just retaliation for mouthing off to one of them, and IMO its nice to see players care enough to show emotion. 0 was right. That should have been a hands to the face and he was likely just frustrated he was constantly being mauled. He took it too far, but I specifically told a friend at that point "these refs are going to purposefully stall a few of our drives now because of that". Look what happened?

Wright didn't put us in the best position to win, and I think Parson definitely should have been given the nod, but you could clearly see he was nervous on his first drive.

Like it or not, our team is showing improvement - secondary is better, OL is better, defense is playing like they did 2 years ago when we had the same frustrations about Leach and our offense coming out stale. This team is starting to click.

ZA should get a chance to come back for 1 more year given that Barbay makes some position coach changes, we get some improvement to our recruiting class, and we don't simply lose out. I would like to stay competitive in each of our last games, and I think that is absolutely possible.

This team is showing improvement We have definitely had underperforming teams in the past, and this is no worse than Dan Mullen's 2016 team going 5-7. In fact, I would say we had less returning this year than we did that year, and on top of that, we lost our two most productive offensive players right as the team was finding some form of groove with the new offense, and also going into the most winnable 3 game SEC stretch on the schedule. Say what you will about Rogers, but he gets us yards and he is head and shoulders above Mike Wright.

At this point, I am not sure if ZA will return or not, but I think our fans are making a boneheaded decision right now by getting the pitchforks out and running him off. If he leaves, its 100% a move to appease the fanbase.

That's a full defense from someone who is really just on the fence about it all at this point. If he stays, cool. It's most certainly not gonna be croom 2.0 and I'll still watch every down. If we get rid of him, well I hope our fanbase is ready for another mediocre season while our players learn yet another offensive scheme and adjust.

I agree with your thoughts on Wright. Speaks volumes for those who advocated for more snaps back in September.

You could not be more wrong about the referee impact on that game last night. It was zero. But I get it - homers will be homers.

It really comes down to talent. It’s just a notch ahead of Vanderbilt. I’m not sure how they managed nine wins last year other than the schedule was more favorable.

 

[Rupert Jenkins]

One thing you can always count on when a coach is on the hot seat. The middle schooler comes out in grown men trying to be cute with lame nicknames.

You are right Mrs Arnept. I shouldn't do that. Soooo disrespectful and childish

 

[Hail_STATE]

No doubt it was - those people were idiots. I am very consistent in my criticism of our RuN tHe BaWl fans. And no, those linemen were not lazy under the Leach regime. But that was nearly a year ago.

That's another mark of an incompetent coach - the players appear lazy, out of shape, and are susceptible to injuries. Happened to Croom and Moorhead too.

Cool. So an Offensive Coordinator should be blamed for 2 incompetent coaches that he didn't hire? What's the alternative here? Fire our OL coaches mid season? Who coaches them then?

Our OL is full of 3 star players btw. They were never good. They were always lazy. Leach's offense just didn't require the level of athleticism a run-first offense requires.

My only purpose in defending our coaching staff is that I feel like they should get a chance to show they can make off-season adjustments. It's perfectly clear we need a new OL coach and its perfectly clear we have to adjust some of the hierarchy on defense. Our position coaches were hired before Barbay ever got a call from us.

Let the season play out. We all know a bowl gives ZA another year and a loss to USM or a blowout to ole miss guarantees his departure. Otherwise let him figure it out. From what I've seen, its clear the team can make adjustments. Our defense looks totally different. Parson might be a good offensive spark (definitely will be more talent).

I have long since lost my anger and rage over this team (and it was at its peak between 2014 and 2016, when Dan walked out and lost to Ole Miss like he never coached a team in his life and then lost to GT in the bowl game, then turned around 2 years later and lost to USA at home while laughing at a missed FG).

I don't have such a short memory as some it seems. JoMo in my opinion was way worse than this mess we see today because his losses were just absolutely awful given the caliber of defense we had at the time and his ability to squander Nick's talent. JoMo found ways to lose whereas this offense under Mike Wright seems to be incapable of knowing how to offense.

 

[Hail_STATE]

I agree with your thoughts on Wright. Speaks volumes for those who advocated for more snaps back in September.

You could not be more wrong about the referee impact on that game last night. It was zero. But I get it - homers will be homers.

It really comes down to talent. It’s just a notch ahead of Vanderbilt. I’m not sure how they managed nine wins last year other than the schedule was more favorable.

Redzone drive ended because of a "late hit" by an OL that fell a split second after the whistle blew? There was another PF called in the redzone that doomed another drive as well.

You are right tho. The game was still a loss because you can't erase a first half led by a QB that can't play football (and you can't erase 7 points to the pick-six, which is where my math really relies on wishful thining).

 

[Hail_STATE]

you sir are a idiot. nothing more to say

Thank you. I appreciate the thoughtful words into the types of people we are dealing with.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Cool. So an Offensive Coordinator should be blamed for 2 incompetent coaches that he didn't hire? What's the alternative here? Fire our OL coaches mid season? Who coaches them then?

Our OL is full of 3 star players btw. They were never good. They were always lazy. Leach's offense just didn't require the level of athleticism a run-first offense requires.

My only purpose in defending our coaching staff is that I feel like they should get a chance to show they can make off-season adjustments. It's perfectly clear we need a new OL coach and its perfectly clear we have to adjust some of the hierarchy on defense. Our position coaches were hired before Barbay ever got a call from us.

Let the season play out. We all know a bowl gives ZA another year and a loss to USM or a blowout to ole miss guarantees his departure. Otherwise let him figure it out. From what I've seen, its clear the team can make adjustments. Our defense looks totally different. Parson might be a good offensive spark (definitely will be more talent).

I have long since lost my anger and rage over this team (and it was at its peak between 2014 and 2016, when Dan walked out and lost to Ole Miss like he never coached a team in his life and then lost to GT in the bowl game, then turned around 2 years later and lost to USA at home while laughing at a missed FG).

I don't have such a short memory as some it seems. JoMo in my opinion was way worse than this mess we see today because his losses were just absolutely awful given the caliber of defense we had at the time and his ability to squander Nick's talent. JoMo found ways to lose whereas this offense under Mike Wright seems to be incapable of knowing how to offense.

I'm talking about Arnett, not Barbay. I feel sorry for Barbay (and pretty much everyone). This shltshow is on Arnett.

But I'm kinda with you in a very general way, about the program.

 

[olblue]

You are right Mrs Arnept. I shouldn't do that. Soooo disrespectful and childish

You still have a ways to go with execution, but this is a step in the right direction.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

You could not be more wrong about the referee impact on that game last night. It was zero. But I get it - homers will be homers.

If you want 2006 homer smack, ED is that way --------->

Literally no one will miss you here.

 

[Hail_STATE]

You know there was another coach at State that claimed it takes time (up ti 3 years to grasp) to implement their offensive system

don’t believe I ever called for WRIGHT over Rogers but good try

not sensitive big guy/girl - Mullen went 5-7 in year 1 but you could tell there was improvement

Talking about Leach? Cuz that was the argument and it paid dividends in 2022.

JoMo? He would have gotten another year had he not completely lost his team his final year. That's the MSU way.

I don't think Barbay will take 3 years, but I certainly expected growing pains year 1. We were picked to finish last for a reason, even though I wanted to believe 8 wins was likely.

We were going to see an improvement in 2009 regardless of what coach came in. 2008 was an awful year capped with shut out loss to Ole Miss.

2022 was one of the best years we have had in football of all time (like it or not). The chances of us having a better year in 2023 were slim. Hiring a coach late was always going to be a challenge, and while we certainly didn't make it easier to accomplish our goal of "showing improvement", we definitely have shown improvement week-to-week aside from the dumpster fire that is Mike Wright.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

Talking about Leach? Cuz that was the argument and it paid dividends in 2022.

JoMo? He would have gotten another year had he not completely lost his team his final year. That's the MSU way.

I don't think Barbay will take 3 years, but I certainly expected growing pains year 1. We were picked to finish last for a reason, even though I wanted to believe 8 wins was likely.

We were going to see an improvement in 2009 regardless of what coach came in. 2008 was an awful year capped with shut out loss to Ole Miss.

2022 was one of the best years we have had in football of all time (like it or not). The chances of us having a better year in 2023 were slim. Hiring a coach late was always going to be a challenge, and while we certainly didn't make it easier to accomplish our goal of "showing improvement", we definitely have shown improvement week-to-week aside from the dumpster fire that is Mike Wright.

CROOM dude. Geez

 

[Walkthedawg]

I can compare to other years if you'd

cool. Do Mullen year one after Crooms last year.

The year Croom got skulldrug on field after field and lost by 45 points in the egg bowl. Then Mullen took that craptastisc team and was a few plays away from a decent bowl.

And now we took a team that won 9 games.. returned a ton.. who Arnett is familiar with top to bottom.

Do that one.

 

[Hail_STATE]

I'm talking about Arnett, not Barbay. I feel sorry for Barbay (and pretty much everyone). This shltshow is on Arnett.

But I'm kinda with you in a very general way, about the program.

I criticize any school/program for firing a coach after year 1. If there is a dumpster fire, fire them midseason year 2 if they can't fix it in the off season.

With all that went wrong between last years egg bowl and where we are now, I feel like one more year is imminent, and I'd rather live my life accepting that fact and looking for positives and over analyzing the OL and talking trash about Mike Wright every week than complaining about a coach.

We certainly have seen coaches lose teams over the past decade and I just don't believe this team is there yet or even close to that. If we keep our talent (Pittman is the future of this offense, and Parson looks like he can be good, and we have good WRs), fix our holes (OL, LB, DL), it isn't hard to believe that the team and the staff will grow mightily over the next 3 games and the off season.

 

[Hail_STATE]

CROOM dude. Geez

I'll show my age, I remember watching Jackie and going to games and suffering as a fan in HS during Croom, but I wasn't a member here and we didn't have internet til his last year.

 

[beachbumdawg]

Talking about Leach? Cuz that was the argument and it paid dividends in 2022.

JoMo? He would have gotten another year had he not completely lost his team his final year. That's the MSU way.

I don't think Barbay will take 3 years, but I certainly expected growing pains year 1. We were picked to finish last for a reason, even though I wanted to believe 8 wins was likely.

We were going to see an improvement in 2009 regardless of what coach came in. 2008 was an awful year capped with shut out loss to Ole Miss.

2022 was one of the best years we have had in football of all time (like it or not). The chances of us having a better year in 2023 were slim. Hiring a coach late was always going to be a challenge, and while we certainly didn't make it easier to accomplish our goal of "showing improvement", we definitely have shown improvement week-to-week aside from the dumpster fire that is Mike Wright.

 

[Bulldawg77]

My guy, they didn't just randomly get lazy overnight. They are late on pulls. They are late on blocks. They constantly miss their blocks.

Our frustrations with Dolla Bill have been present since the day he set foot on the field.

You can't beg for a run game and be shocked when your OL who were recruited to stand still and pass block can't run and have no agility (which are both needed in run blocking).

So technically you are right, but let's not act like for the past 3 years during the Air Raid this board wasn't blowing up with fans calling for a more balanced offense or a run-heavy offense. Let's not ignore the fact that we had whole-*** media campaigns dedicated to "running the bawl"

Are you the violin or Cello player on the Zacktanic..??

 

[Hail_STATE]

cool. Do Mullen year one after Crooms last year.

The year Croom got skulldrug on field after field and lost by 45 points in the egg bowl. Then Mullen took that craptastisc team and was a few plays away from a decent bowl.

And now we took a team that won 9 games.. returned a ton.. who Arnett is familiar with top to bottom.

Do that one

We got shut out by Bama 31-3, lost to Arkansas 42-21, lost to Florida by 10, lost to houston by 7, lost to GT by 11 and got blown out by auburn by 25.

Our sole wins came against Jackson State (which we padded stats), an 11 point win over vandy, MTSU (27 point performance), a 7 point win over uk and the best game I've ever attended in my life which is the 2009 egg bowl.

I was a freshman that year at State. The hype was real, especially after playing LSU so closely. Fans packed the stadium in the pouring rain (and a whiteout) to watch us lose on the goal line.

The team was night and day from the year prior.

This team would have also been night and day from 2008.

Its circumstantial. 2009 was so good for fans because 2008 sucked so bad. 2022 was one of the best years in MSU football history, and we lost high caliber players to transfers or the draft (even though "we didn't need them anyway"). We chose to implement a new offense after a tragedy and all of those factors meant we were likely going to see a regression.

Despite the regression, I think we have shown game-to-game that we are improving despite what the final score may show. 3 more games to play and I fully require we blow out USM and compete in the other games. Otherwise my position absolutely changes.

 

[Drebin]

If he said the things you want him to say, then he would catch ten tons of hell for that. LIke Sam Pittman did a couple of weeks ago. Dude tried to be candid and got roasted for it. That’s why there is such a thing as coach speak.

He's already getting roasted. He's already catching tons of hell. A little honesty would be refreshing.

 

[Hail_STATE]

He's already getting roasted. He's already catching tons of hell. A little honesty would be refreshing.

I will agree here. I want to see more transparency across the board. NIL should mean we get NFL level transparency.

I would also like to see him yell a bit. Get mad at a reporter for asking a question.

He might be too nice, but I like coaches that throw tantrums when plays don't work out rather than looking like a pissed off housewife that's gonna make you sleep on the couch.

 

[Walkthedawg]

The team was night and day from the year prior.

This team would have also been night and day from 2008.

Yep. Night and day BETTER. Not night and day WORSE.

A little worse is acceptable as long as there is competence. That would be understandable.

However, this team and coach is not night and day better than 2008. Sorry. No argument. We are deep in the schedule and there are still simple assignments being missed. At least that’s better than LSU where we had both tackles pulling and damn near running over themselves behind the OL.

The only thing padding the stats is the South Carolina game.. who just won a slugfest with Jacksonville State.

Every team that knows which side of the football faces forward and has a pulse has had their way. aTm is going to work off their frustrations on us, southern miss MAY be a good game, and Lane is gonna name the score.

But growin pains n’ stuff

 

[Simmer]

We got blown out by Kentucky at home. We are garbage. There is no fight in this team.

 

[PBRME]

We got blown out by Kentucky at home. We are garbage. There is no fight in this team.

There is fight in this team. We have the personal fouls to prove it. We are not disciplined, or we’ll coached.

 

[msudawg1200]

The "Mullen went 5-7 in his first year hurr durr" argument isn't even on the same level. He inherited a shitshow. You could see improvement and read the confidence in the players body language. Totally different times and situation. I'm never a jump the gun on firing a coach. Hell, I was on the Slytanic until 45-0, and at that point I knew it was over. I was with Moorhead until I watched us get physically manhandled at home on a 99 degree day by a mediocre Big XII team. Told my son walking out that day that Moorhead ain't going to ever get it done. Arnett ain't the guy. Never was and never will be. He was hired only because we had no AD. Period. He'd never been considered had we had an AD in place. That continuity bullcrap was spewed to get the fans on board. Things have changed considerably in the last 5-8 years. I hate it but this is now professional minor league football. I don't think it will happen , but with all the conference realignment if we don't keep up I could see us getting "demoted". Don't say it can't because a lot of things have happened in CFP I don't think any of us ever thought would happen. All that said, Arnett has to go before he destroys what's left of our program. Period.

 

[olblue]

He's already getting roasted. He's already catching tons of hell. A little honesty would be refreshing.

Hasn’t he been saying its on him all year? And do words really matter after you get your *** kicked by Auburn and Kentucky?

 

[Drebin]

Hasn’t he been saying its on him all year? And do words really matter after you get your *** kicked by Auburn and Kentucky?

No he's really good at giving excuses and then saying "but there's no excuses". There's no real accountability there because nothing has changed.

And no, words don't matter in the sense that it's going to fix anything. But people don't want their boots pissed on and get told that it's raining either. It makes the situation even more toxic than it needs to be. Stop telling us how proud he is of guys, and how good Kentucky is, and all that bullshlt. Nobody wants to hear that. Well, not unless you're a Kentucky fan.

 

[ronpolk]

I'll bite.

I'm just as frustrated with this team as anyone else, but ZA isn't the end all be all excuse for all of our woes this season.

Everyone knew from day one our OL and Secondary sucked. Happens. DBs usually take 2 years in a system to really be amazing, and our OL are a bunch of lazy bums that couldn't (maybe still can't) run block to save their lives. Watch our guards and tackles pull left/right. They are constantly beat, they constantly miss blocks and they aren't fast at all.

To both of those positions' credit, they have improve drastically. Our defense has actually kept us in 3 games since BYE and given us shots to win each one (I know people don't like to hear that, but its true).

Mike Wright is helpless. There is no scheme that works for him. He does one thing well: run straight ahead. If he has to turn or juke, he looks like he is a newborn deer learning to walk. He stares down his receivers like they are the hot route in madden and when they aren't open, he chunks it at them anyway. He constantly throws into double coverage and you can absolutely tell he throws his passes AT the receiver vs where they will be. Not to mention sometimes they come out of his hand so quick I am surprised anyone can catch them. His madden stats would be 0 Awareness, 0 Agility, 0 Vision. No scheme will work for him - there's a reason he didn't start at Vandy. I single-handedly place the blame for our loss to Auburn squarely on his shoulders. We had chance after chance to rally.

With that said, the UK game to me came down to one thing: refs pissed off at our players and preventing late-game comeback drives from turning into touchdowns. Those two redzone PFs on two consecutive drives were clearly just retaliation for mouthing off to one of them, and IMO its nice to see players care enough to show emotion. 0 was right. That should have been a hands to the face and he was likely just frustrated he was constantly being mauled. He took it too far, but I specifically told a friend at that point "these refs are going to purposefully stall a few of our drives now because of that". Look what happened?

Wright didn't put us in the best position to win, and I think Parson definitely should have been given the nod, but you could clearly see he was nervous on his first drive.

Like it or not, our team is showing improvement - secondary is better, OL is better, defense is playing like they did 2 years ago when we had the same frustrations about Leach and our offense coming out stale. This team is starting to click.

ZA should get a chance to come back for 1 more year given that Barbay makes some position coach changes, we get some improvement to our recruiting class, and we don't simply lose out. I would like to stay competitive in each of our last games, and I think that is absolutely possible.

This team is showing improvement We have definitely had underperforming teams in the past, and this is no worse than Dan Mullen's 2016 team going 5-7. In fact, I would say we had less returning this year than we did that year, and on top of that, we lost our two most productive offensive players right as the team was finding some form of groove with the new offense, and also going into the most winnable 3 game SEC stretch on the schedule. Say what you will about Rogers, but he gets us yards and he is head and shoulders above Mike Wright.

At this point, I am not sure if ZA will return or not, but I think our fans are making a boneheaded decision right now by getting the pitchforks out and running him off. If he leaves, its 100% a move to appease the fanbase.

That's a full defense from someone who is really just on the fence about it all at this point. If he stays, cool. It's most certainly not gonna be croom 2.0 and I'll still watch every down. If we get rid of him, well I hope our fanbase is ready for another mediocre season while our players learn yet another offensive scheme and adjust.

I think we found Zach Arnett’s user name on six pack…

 

[msudawg1200]

I think we found Zach Arnett’s user name on six pack…

He has to have some connection to the staff. Only way you can explain his reasoning.

 

[Hail_STATE]

He has to have some connection to the staff. Only way you can explain his reasoning.

I think we found Zach Arnett’s user name on six pack…

Ah the old "let's call out this user as a plant or insider because he doesn't have the same opinion as me" routine.

I've had this account since 2012. You think ZA knew we existed back then?

At least I'm not stomping around acting like we live in a day and age where teams get "demoted" for fielding 1 bad team in a decade the year after their prior coach passed away.

Sheesh our fanbase lives in a bubble where we are the only team that has bad years.

Circumstances and history dictate that we aren't going to fire ZA so I'm not going to stomp my feet and demand we fire him when I know its likely much better that I just see the positives and focus on how things are improving game-over-game.

I watched the meltdown from Mike Leach's year 1, and no excuse in the world worked back then either. Funny how after a 9 win season those excuses seem to have just been firmed up.

Its the day after a loss. I was warned in college not to read SPS after a loss. My philosophy is to just move on and hope the next game builds up on some of what we saw improve. So far, that's been the case since BYE. That's not me saying ZA deserves another year simply for that reason.

I have a very specific idea of what goals he should achieve knowing what we know now. After Rogers' injury, I was confident we could take all 3 games from the Ark/Aub/UK run. I felt we needed to win at least 2. Most people here didn't think we would win 1. We fell somewhere in between.

Now my adjusted goals are that we need to make a bowl, beat USM by at least 3 TD, and compete in the final 2 SEC games at the very least (no blowouts). By blowout, I mean I would like to see us keep them under 30 points. I don't consider UK a blowout. Blowouts usually have no hope of a comeback in the 4th.

If you or anyone else is so set on ZA being the problem, then he should have no problem failing 2 out of 3 of those goals, possibly all 3. Then we won't have any disagreements. However, I just simply don't see the program going that direction this season.

We started low with our FCS win, LSU was a very big low as far as game preparedness and execution, but since then, little-by-little we are seeing improvement. OL still misses, and I still maintain its because they are talentless and lazy. Secondary still gives up some big plays. Outside of those two positions, Mike Wright is the ONLY problem with this team. If week 1's team had the same cohesion and experience as they do now, we would be 7-2.

We will all ultimately see who is right, because it really isn't like any of us can do anything to change what will happen except stop attending games (oh wait that already happens...).

What we all should collectively be focused on is pushing the AD and football marketing to adopt the exact jerseys and branding we wore vs UK as our permanents. That is, after all, what matters most.**

 

[ronpolk]

Ah the old "let's call out this user as a plant or insider because he doesn't have the same opinion as me" routine.

I've had this account since 2012. You think ZA knew we existed back then?

At least I'm not stomping around acting like we live in a day and age where teams get "demoted" for fielding 1 bad team in a decade the year after their prior coach passed away.

Sheesh our fanbase lives in a bubble where we are the only team that has bad years.

Circumstances and history dictate that we aren't going to fire ZA so I'm not going to stomp my feet and demand we fire him when I know its likely much better that I just see the positives and focus on how things are improving game-over-game.

I watched the meltdown from Mike Leach's year 1, and no excuse in the world worked back then either. Funny how after a 9 win season those excuses seem to have just been firmed up.

Its the day after a loss. I was warned in college not to read SPS after a loss. My philosophy is to just move on and hope the next game builds up on some of what we saw improve. So far, that's been the case since BYE. That's not me saying ZA deserves another year simply for that reason.

I have a very specific idea of what goals he should achieve knowing what we know now. After Rogers' injury, I was confident we could take all 3 games from the Ark/Aub/UK run. I felt we needed to win at least 2. Most people here didn't think we would win 1. We fell somewhere in between.

Now my adjusted goals are that we need to make a bowl, beat USM by at least 3 TD, and compete in the final 2 SEC games at the very least (no blowouts). By blowout, I mean I would like to see us keep them under 30 points. I don't consider UK a blowout. Blowouts usually have no hope of a comeback in the 4th.

If you or anyone else is so set on ZA being the problem, then he should have no problem failing 2 out of 3 of those goals, possibly all 3. Then we won't have any disagreements. However, I just simply don't see the program going that direction this season.

We started low with our FCS win, LSU was a very big low as far as game preparedness and execution, but since then, little-by-little we are seeing improvement. OL still misses, and I still maintain its because they are talentless and lazy. Secondary still gives up some big plays. Outside of those two positions, Mike Wright is the ONLY problem with this team. If week 1's team had the same cohesion and experience as they do now, we would be 7-2.

We will all ultimately see who is right, because it really isn't like any of us can do anything to change what will happen except stop attending games (oh wait that already happens...).

What we all should collectively be focused on is pushing the AD and football marketing to adopt the exact jerseys and branding we wore vs UK as our permanents. That is, after all, what matters most.**

Hey Zack, I don’t care if you have a different opinion than me…. I care that you think there is improvement on this team. You shouldn’t be able to post about football if you think you’re seeing improvement on this team.

 

[Hail_STATE]

Hey Zack, I don’t care if you have a different opinion than me…. I care that you think there is improvement on this team. You shouldn’t be able to post about football if you think you’re seeing improvement on this team.

I mean I am done posting stats because I'm tired of loading ESPN's website over and over, but I know we have been playing more solid defense and our OL has been playing marginally better.

I find it hard to believe you think this current team that has offense problems is the same team we saw for the first 6 games where we had majority defensive problems with no improvements. You can't tell me if we had some resemblance of a good QB against Auburn and UK in the 2nd half that we wouldn't have had a chance to come back. That's simply not true. Our defense might have given up some crucial 1st quarter big plays that put us in a hole, but they kept us in games and gave our offense a chance, even if our offense can't capitalize.

As far as I'm concerned, Zach Arnett can't really help the current situation with the offense because he's not Jesus and he can't magically heal Rogers, and we all know he can't make Mike Wright suddenly become a good player. It sucks to be in this position, but don't act like Zach Arnett is some weird mad scientist pulling all the strings and whipping Barbay in the evening hours so he doesn't run his "true" offense.

Someone clearly hasn't been watching the games, and I assure you it isn't me. Maybe lay off the bottle during games and objectively look at it sometime.

 

[msudawg1200]

Ah the old "let's call out this user as a plant or insider because he doesn't have the same opinion as me" routine.

I've had this account since 2012. You think ZA knew we existed back then?

At least I'm not stomping around acting like we live in a day and age where teams get "demoted" for fielding 1 bad team in a decade the year after their prior coach passed away.

Sheesh our fanbase lives in a bubble where we are the only team that has bad years.

Circumstances and history dictate that we aren't going to fire ZA so I'm not going to stomp my feet and demand we fire him when I know its likely much better that I just see the positives and focus on how things are improving game-over-game.

I watched the meltdown from Mike Leach's year 1, and no excuse in the world worked back then either. Funny how after a 9 win season those excuses seem to have just been firmed up.

Its the day after a loss. I was warned in college not to read SPS after a loss. My philosophy is to just move on and hope the next game builds up on some of what we saw improve. So far, that's been the case since BYE. That's not me saying ZA deserves another year simply for that reason.

I have a very specific idea of what goals he should achieve knowing what we know now. After Rogers' injury, I was confident we could take all 3 games from the Ark/Aub/UK run. I felt we needed to win at least 2. Most people here didn't think we would win 1. We fell somewhere in between.

Now my adjusted goals are that we need to make a bowl, beat USM by at least 3 TD, and compete in the final 2 SEC games at the very least (no blowouts). By blowout, I mean I would like to see us keep them under 30 points. I don't consider UK a blowout. Blowouts usually have no hope of a comeback in the 4th.

If you or anyone else is so set on ZA being the problem, then he should have no problem failing 2 out of 3 of those goals, possibly all 3. Then we won't have any disagreements. However, I just simply don't see the program going that direction this season.

We started low with our FCS win, LSU was a very big low as far as game preparedness and execution, but since then, little-by-little we are seeing improvement. OL still misses, and I still maintain its because they are talentless and lazy. Secondary still gives up some big plays. Outside of those two positions, Mike Wright is the ONLY problem with this team. If week 1's team had the same cohesion and experience as they do now, we would be 7-2.

We will all ultimately see who is right, because it really isn't like any of us can do anything to change what will happen except stop attending games (oh wait that already happens...).

What we all should collectively be focused on is pushing the AD and football marketing to adopt the exact jerseys and branding we wore vs UK as our permanents. That is, after all, what matters most.**

You idiot I never said anything about being demoted after one bad year. I said if we let this staff stay around and burn it to the ground it might happen(but probably not) in the new tangled world of college football. Zach, you knew what the hell I said.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Lost his starting QB and RB for two winnable games. If we were 6-3 right now he would be safe. That’s all I got.

I'm hoping that isn't used to keep him

 

[Hail_STATE]

You idiot I never said anything about being demoted after one bad year. I said if we let this staff stay around and burn it to the ground it might happen(but probably not) in the new tangled world of college football. Zach, you knew what the hell I said.

One year, two years, 17 years. Doesn't matter how long. It can't and won't happen and its a terrible argument from someone either drunk or overdramatizing the situation. You seem to think if you give ZA one more year the world will and and MSU will be downgraded to some lesser conference as if this is the UK Premiere League

 

[thatsbaseball]

Seriously. I want to hear one legitimate reason why you keep him.

I would honestly like to hear why we keep him past tomorrow.

He doesn't need us, he's hired the best in the business to make his case for him.