go somewhere else. Would hate for them to benefit from SEC attention and money. Suits me fine if the SEC stands pat. Aren`t they trying to make it so you can play the other teams in the league more often? Wll be a challenge enough with Texas and Oklahoma. If they do add from the ACC, I hope it`s Virginia or Va. Tech and N.C. State or Wake Forest. 2 of the 4. The SEC would help any of those schools rise up and would hurt UNC/Duke somewhat, although I`m sure they would be fine in the Big 10., Big 12, PAC whatever.
I would hate to see UNC,, Duke or Clemson get into the SEC. Let them go somewhere else. I can stomach any of the other ACC teams but not them. They ca
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I don't understand the fascination that some posters have for bringing in NCSU. They are secondary in interest in the state of North Carolina against
UNC, and I don't mean any disrespect to NCSU, just stating what we all know. Will this really open up the NC market, I'm not so sure. If UNC goes to the B1G then they might be a decent get, but it still keeps the SEC regionalized while the B1G is going coast to coast.
UNC, and I don't mean any disrespect to NCSU, just stating what we all know. Will this really open up the NC market, I'm not so sure. If UNC goes to the B1G then they might be a decent get, but it still keeps the SEC regionalized while the B1G is going coast to coast.
Adding AZ, AZ St, Stanford and Oregon would give SEC a coast to coast market and bring some viewership if it is felt further expansion is needed. Make more sense than adding ACC schools.
I, for one, don’t think coast to coast is that appealing - more getting teams before someone else does imo. How many fans will travel to Arizona or the West coast? Not many I bet. A&M and Missouri(does anyone go there?) are far enough. I wouldn’t want to associate with the Socialists on the west coast anyway. I think cultural similarities are important - another reason I wouldn’t care for the snobs of UNC and Duke to be in the SEC - they can go somewhere else and so can the Tigers.
20 years ago that may have been a good point, but now it is all about expanding the TV market, so the farther the reach the bigger the audience.
This is correct. Like 'em or hate 'em, UNC is a national brand, always near the top in apparel sales. NCSU is not a national brand.
I would bet that the B1G is already in discussions with Stanford, Cal, Oregon, and Washington...as well as Colorado and Arizona. They may be waiting to see what Notre Dame is going to do....but I seriously doubt they are sitting idly. Warren has connections with Notre Dame and in Arizona.
Agree!I am not interested in “rescuing “those programs from their probable fate.
At what point do we have to change the name of our conference? So far the teams are from the Southeast, well at least what I consider the South, the teams you named would seemingly require a name change, not that anything matters anymore in college football..
Nomenclature non withstanding, if there is indeed just 2 conferences neither one is going to resemble what we now know. The renaming will most likely be a byproduct.
I really think Clemson will fight leaving the ACC, they have an easier road to the playoffs than those playing in any other Power Five conference, why would they mess up a good thing? I realize conference alignment is changing, but they don't really seem to need more $$ coming in.
Probably right, I guess I'm still hoping for some sanity and keeping these like they are. All of it to me is/has destroyed college football, transfer portal, NIL, and now conference expansion; but that is a discussion for another post
I think NC state to the SEC would have a similar effect as A&M to the SEC. A&M was the consummate little brother - until they went to the SEC and raised their profile and blew past UT. Now Texas wanted in because they knew they’d always play second fiddle if they weren’t in the best football conference. (Of course they’d never admit that.)
State could be similar because as much as Tobacco Road loves basketball, football is all that really matters - and their team is the only one that could compete. State would leave the rest of the schools in the dark ages and own the 10th most populous state.
Agree Todd. A&M was my argument too. Put
NC State, Va. Tech, even Wake Forest in SEC and their programs will gradually improve, especially with SEC money. I don’t want to see UNC, Duke or Clemson get SEC money.
NC State, Va. Tech, even Wake Forest in SEC and their programs will gradually improve, especially with SEC money. I don’t want to see UNC, Duke or Clemson get SEC money.
I dislike Clemson as much as anybody, and for that reason alone, I would like them shutout of anything good that might come of conference realignment. I would love to watch die on the vine. Karma will get them.
I would love to see those 3 plus UVA...
Winter would be great having UNC, DUKE, UVA to come matchup with us, Kentucky, Arkansas, Texas, OKlahoma...plus we have the women's programs too...
I am for this 10000000%
I'd be able to drive to Knoxville or Columbia to see DUKE and UNC play UT or Carolina...would be super cool....
Winter would be great having UNC, DUKE, UVA to come matchup with us, Kentucky, Arkansas, Texas, OKlahoma...plus we have the women's programs too...
I am for this 10000000%
I'd be able to drive to Knoxville or Columbia to see DUKE and UNC play UT or Carolina...would be super cool....
Back to the old Southern Conference. I hope this does not happen. To Hell with the ACC and all of it's members!
Personally, if the SEC and the taters are indeed in talks, I'm hoping clemson is doing so so they can claim to be the team that turned down the SEC. And I hope the SEC gets mad enough at being played like that that they stay away from all other ACC teams.
clemson would crawl to Birmingham for an invitation.Personally, if the SEC and the taters are indeed in talks, I'm hoping clemson is doing so so they can claim to be the team that turned down the SEC. And I hope the SEC gets mad enough at being played like that that they stay away from all other ACC teams.
You think they are that rational? Idk. They do think pretty highly of themselves.
I know what I'm hoping for is a longshot, but it is a shot.
Gentlemen (and Ladies)
It is time to wipe the bias from your eyes to see that what is transpiring is a business transaction. The SEC will in all likelihood invite Clemson, and if the powers that be think it is in the best interest of the conference they will invite members of the ACC or perhaps other conferences.
The SEC may indeed become preemptive and invite schools so as to prevent the B1G from acquiring a further foothold into TV markets or vice versa, and if that means acquiring ACC teams then that is what is going to happen.
It is time to wipe the bias from your eyes to see that what is transpiring is a business transaction. The SEC will in all likelihood invite Clemson, and if the powers that be think it is in the best interest of the conference they will invite members of the ACC or perhaps other conferences.
The SEC may indeed become preemptive and invite schools so as to prevent the B1G from acquiring a further foothold into TV markets or vice versa, and if that means acquiring ACC teams then that is what is going to happen.
The only thing I be willing to put serious money on is that the B1G is not going to catch the SEC napping and the SEC is not going to catch the B1G napping. I am pretty darn sure both conference have their "wish list" of universities and are quietly having discussions with them. There is probably a little crossover on those list, but maybe not as much as most would expect.
I like the sound of SC vs Duke or SC vs WF about as much as the B1G fans will like Duke VS NW or WF vs Iowa St.
The SEC name will not be changed. It's a great brand. School composition won't matter.
The SEC won't be consulting you or me. They don't care what you think - or what I think, not that we necessarily agree on all points.
At least we are seeing some around the SEC who think expansion may be a bad idea.
Upon further review, I agree with others who say SEC perhaps should stay at 16. More teams may dilute the strength of the conference. If the Big 10 wants to do that fine. If we stay at 16 then we get richer when new contracts come in, ACC teams don’t.
They'll move preemptively only if it's something of historical significance. Haven't they already proven that? From here on in, the SEC will do whatever it takes to remain one of the Big Two. It won't matter what any rank and file person wants or thinks.
The main reason I don't see Clemson being invited is because this expansion is about money and eyeballs (they go hand-in-hand). Clemson doesn't provide anything to the SEC that the conference doesn't already have. They've already got eyeballs in this state (there are more USC alums in the Greenville/Spartanburg area that Clemson). Other untapped markets would bring more eyeballs that aren't already watching SEC (NC schools, west, Nwest expansion?)
And, yes, the Clemson brand is attractive now because they have been doing well, but this stuff goes in waves, and Clemson won't be good forever. Is a 7-5 Clemson squad that is located in the middle of the conference's footprint really that attractive? The more teams they invite, the more the pie has to be split. So, if Clemson is to be invited, they better be bringing more that what they will be taking to make it worth the SEC's time.
Just seems that the purpose of these last additions (OK, Tex & SoCal, UCLA) is to get more eyeballs in different geographical areas. Clemson doesn't do that. Just my too scents
And, yes, the Clemson brand is attractive now because they have been doing well, but this stuff goes in waves, and Clemson won't be good forever. Is a 7-5 Clemson squad that is located in the middle of the conference's footprint really that attractive? The more teams they invite, the more the pie has to be split. So, if Clemson is to be invited, they better be bringing more that what they will be taking to make it worth the SEC's time.
Just seems that the purpose of these last additions (OK, Tex & SoCal, UCLA) is to get more eyeballs in different geographical areas. Clemson doesn't do that. Just my too scents
Basing my opinion on what they are doing now, it will be a while before they go 7-5, no matter what conference they are in
The B1G's addition of SoCal and UCLA was simply a response to the SEC's addition of Texas and Oklahoma. It puts them both at 16 teams. Though the addition of SoCal also appears to be an enticement to Notre Dame should they decide to find a permanent full time conference.
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