if CFB players are going to be paid, how do you think that will work?

[blion72]

would they be university employees or would there be separate corporation that handled football possibly divorced from the university budget? The media analysts all seem to be assuming this will happen but they never get into how this would function. They pretty much assume that the TV contract $$$ would be used to fund the compensation.

Just heard another discussion on this today on ESPNU. They all were assuming that the players would get paid as employees and be under contracts, so could not transfer. True NIL would still be on top of that (i.e. Caleb and Wendys commercials) just like it is for NFL players. No more collectives. Possibly players would not have to be students or have scholarships.

This does not seem as easy as it sounds. Not sure where that leaves the Athletic departments.

 

[razpsu]

Can’t pay just one sport. Have to pay them all.

 

[GrimReaper]

would they be university employees or would there be separate corporation that handled football possibly divorced from the university budget? The media analysts all seem to be assuming this will happen but they never get into how this would function. They pretty much assume that the TV contract $$$ would be used to fund the compensation.

Just heard another discussion on this today on ESPNU. They all were assuming that the players would get paid as employees and be under contracts, so could not transfer. True NIL would still be on top of that (i.e. Caleb and Wendys commercials) just like it is for NFL players. No more collectives. Possibly players would not have to be students or have scholarships.

This does not seem as easy as it sounds. Not sure where that leaves the Athletic departments.

Guessing they would be employees of the university, but another structure could be worked out.

Can’t pay just one sport. Have to pay them all.

No they don't.

 

[blion72]

Guessing they would be employees of the university, but another structure could be worked out.

No they don't.

I am assuming that Title IX does not come into play if they become employees - especially if it is some separate corporation. If this were interpreted that all sports have to be paid, then it would be financial non-starter. I don't think there is enough money coming in to cover everyone.

It would seem the NFL could run this for the schools - just hand over the $$$ to them and let them distribute as a minor league. The problem would probably be that we don't need 130 minor league teams to serve 32 NFL teams. NFL does have the know how and infrastructure to operate this as as service for CFB.

No idea what that would mean for all the other sports. what would Penn State AD look like with no FB $$$ involved?

 

[razpsu]

Guessing they would be employees of the university, but another structure could be worked out.

No they don't.

Ever hear of title 9. Plus other sports needs to get money like so these sports can improve as well.

 

[razpsu]

I am assuming that Title IX does not come into play if they become employees - especially if it is some separate corporation. If this were interpreted that all sports have to be paid, then it would be financial non-starter. I don't think there is enough money coming in to cover everyone.

It would seem the NFL could run this for the schools - just hand over the $$$ to them and let them distribute as a minor league. The problem would probably be that we don't need 130 minor league teams to serve 32 NFL teams. NFL does have the know how and infrastructure to operate this as as service for CFB.

No idea what that would mean for all the other sports. what would Penn State AD look like with no FB $$$ involved?

They should not become employees in any way.

 

[GrimReaper]

Ever hear of title 9. Plus other sports needs to get money like so these sports can improve as well.

See below. Other sports? Kraft will figure it out. That's why he's paid the big bucks.

They should not become employees in any way.

There is no way players get paid unless they become employees of some entity.

 

[Nitt1300]

It won't work, not with over 130 teams.

 

[GrimReaper]

It won't work, not with over 130 teams.

Not all 130 teams will opt to pay players and many that do will have relatively small payrolls.

 

[Nitt1300]

Not all 130 teams will opt to pay players and many that do will have relatively small payrolls.

And the result will be even fewer teams that will have a chance to compete. So, it won't work.

 

[GrimReaper]

And the result will be even fewer teams that will have a chance to compete. So, it won't work.

I dunno. How many teams really have a chance to compete in the current format?

 

[Nitt1300]

I dunno. How many teams really have a chance to compete in the current format?

too few, admittedly

 

[leinbacker]

Ever hear of title 9. Plus other sports needs to get money like so these sports can improve as well.

so an existing player in badminton improves by giving them a few Benjamin’s? We’re they holding back?

 

[razpsu]

so an existing player in badminton improves by giving them a few Benjamin’s? Were they holding back?

So the same can be said for football then.

 

[MtNittany]

Why can't the NFL just draft the players out of high school then let them go play college wherever they want to while collecting an NFL salary? Time for them to step up and pay for some of the free farm system they enjoy.

 

[GrimReaper]

Why can't the NFL just draft the players out of high school then let them go play college wherever they want to while collecting an NFL salary? Time for them to step up and pay for some of the free farm system they enjoy.

Why should they pay for something they get for free? Do you see any college presidents running NFL franchises?

 

[Blair10]

would they be university employees or would there be separate corporation that handled football possibly divorced from the university budget? The media analysts all seem to be assuming this will happen but they never get into how this would function. They pretty much assume that the TV contract $$$ would be used to fund the compensation.

Just heard another discussion on this today on ESPNU. They all were assuming that the players would get paid as employees and be under contracts, so could not transfer. True NIL would still be on top of that (i.e. Caleb and Wendys commercials) just like it is for NFL players. No more collectives. Possibly players would not have to be students or have scholarships.

This does not seem as easy as it sounds. Not sure where that leaves the Athletic departments.

I disagree with the could not transfer comment. Coaches are employees of their respective Universities and they still have the legal right to move to another institution. I expect the same rights will apply to players if they are classified as employees.

 

[GrimReaper]

I disagree with the could not transfer comment. Coaches are employees of their respective Universities and they still have the legal right to move to another institution. I expect the same rights will apply to players if they are classified as employees.

One of the reasons to allow, if not encourage, the players to unionize. The other is to impose a salary cap.

 

[LionJim]

One of the reasons to allow, if not encourage, the players to unionize. The other is to impose a salary cap.

Okay, someone brought up a salary cap. Aren’t salary caps normally something which are mutually negotiated? If so, what would be the negotiating arm of the players?

 

[s1uggo72]

Okay, someone brought up a salary cap. Aren’t salary caps normally something which are mutually negotiated? If so, what would be the negotiating arm of the players?

The union they formed.

 

[psuno1]

If they pay them it's professional football not college football.

 

[leinbacker]

The union they formed.

What about their right-to-work?

 

[blion72]

I disagree with the could not transfer comment. Coaches are employees of their respective Universities and they still have the legal right to move to another institution. I expect the same rights will apply to players if they are classified as employees.

I think that CFB coaches have negotiated their own buyout deals that allow them to move. following the professional model, the players under contract wind up being restrained from just declaring free agents. I think the assumption is the players would have similar rights to the NFL players when it comes to free agency.

 

[Blair10]

One of the reasons to allow, if not encourage, the players to unionize. The other is to impose a salary cap.

Salary cap? Where is the salary cap for coaches and their no ceiling multi-million dollar buyouts? You can’t selectively decide some employees are restricted financially while other employees are laughing their way to the bank like Jimbo Fisher.

 

[GrimReaper]

Salary cap? Where is the salary cap for coaches and their no ceiling multi-million dollar buyouts? You can’t selectively decide some employees are restricted financially while other employees are laughing their way to the bank like Jimbo Fisher.

Coaches don't have a union, so they negotiate their own contracts free of any restrictions contained in a CBA.

Colleges could try to pay players without the cover of a CBA. Great idea if one likes anarchy. Come to think of it, I'm all for it.

 

[GrimReaper]

I think that CFB coaches have negotiated their own buyout deals that allow them to move. following the professional model, the players under contract wind up being restrained from just declaring free agents. I think the assumption is the players would have similar rights to the NFL players when it comes to free agency.

There are restrictions on NFL coaches changing jobs. The only thing that prevents a college coach from changing jobs is money, and it isn't a deterrent in most cases.

 

[laKavosiey-st lion]

So how much do season tix cost? It’s over boys.

 

[Midnighter]

What about their right-to-work?

For suckers.

 

[BobPSU92]

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[ChandlerPearce]

If they pay them it's professional football not college football.

It already is professional football...Semi-Pro...but according to others EVERY player is receiving some amount of cash.

 

[LionJim]

It already is professional football...Semi-Pro...but according to others EVERY player is receiving some amount of cash.

Deion Sanders has said that every Division I walk-on gets $50k. Imagine.

Edit: not quite. See below.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

If they pay them it's professional football not college football.

It hasn't been college or amateur football in a very long time. Just because the money was never above the table doesn't mean it isn't it wasn't occurring. I know the NCAA sold some generations on this being about the education and out of the goodness of the schools hearts, but they have been ranking in millions a year for decades now. I'm not sure how anyone really still believes this isn't a farm league, but some want to hold on to that lie I guess.

 

[ChandlerPearce]

So if CFB players become school employees....what about Women's Hockey? Women's Fencing? Do all NCAA athletes become school employees....all 31 varsity sports?

 

[BobPSU92]

So if CFB players become school employees....what about Women's Hockey? Women's Fencing? Do all NCAA athletes become school employees....all 31 varsity sports?

Sex slaves to the football players.

 

[LaJollaCreek]

So if CFB players become school employees....what about Women's Hockey? Women's Fencing? Do all NCAA athletes become school employees....all 31 varsity sports?

How much revenue do they bring to the table? TV contracts? Arena Revenue? If you want to pretend Women's hockey and Mens football are the same,,,,by all means run with it.

 

[razpsu]

One of the reasons to allow, if not encourage, the players to unionize. The other is to impose a salary cap.

The union would include all athletes of course!?.

 

[razpsu]

.

 

[GrimReaper]

Deion Sanders has said that every Division I walk-on gets $50k. Imagine.

Not quite what he said and it was probably TIC.

 

[GrimReaper]

The union would include all athletes of course!?.

No. Makes some sense for football and men's basketball players to unionize. Players in other sports could try and the universities would tell them to piss off.

 

[razpsu]

No. Makes some sense for football and men's basketball players to unionize. Players in other sports could try and the universities would tell them to piss off.

Then that will not work and cannot work. Unfair to other athletes especially when you factor title 9.