This offense would open up so more. Last goal line offensive possession before half is example. Will no threat to run, hands off, then stands and watches. I’m ready to see Texas
If our QB was a threat to run
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While in theory, I agree, the QB in Leach's system has to concentrate so much on quick reads and distributing the ball that I don't ever see a QB under Leach developing into a scrambling threat
IDK, Rogers finds himself hanging out in the pocket too long quite often. He knows he can’t gash them on the ground. A good runner may take those opportunities and break the defense and game open.
Well you also have to assume the guy that can run can at least pass as good as Will.
ETA:. I see your point though, but at this point I'm ok with Will. It is what it is. I guarantee you he is the best option, he wouldn't be in there.
ETA:. I see your point though, but at this point I'm ok with Will. It is what it is. I guarantee you he is the best option, he wouldn't be in there.
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The stud from Nashville will bring that to the table and of course the rb from Texas that runs a 4.3. We haven’t had a runner like him in a Long long time.
This is the actual truth. In this system if the QB has to scramble then the system has failed on that play. It is what it is. I don't like it, obviously some do. We will see.
If we had a qb who was a threat to run it eould be a completely different guy and a completely different offense. Be happy with what we have. Something different won't be the same. Fitz was a threat to run
Just getting a “mobile QB” doesn’t make this offense run like Johnny Manziel. You have to find a mobile QB who can also throw to the ability needed. Those guys don’t come around that often.
It’s a faulty concept that unfortunately too many of our fans have adopted.
Boy if we could get Aaron Rodgers for a QB and Bo Jackson for a RB and Tony Boselli and Anthony Munoz and Mike Webster for the Oline and Jerry Rice and Randy Moss for receivers and Gronk at TE, then Mean Joe Green, Bruce Smith, Reggie White and Aaron Donald on the Dline with Laurence Taylor and Ray Lewis and Dick Butkus as LBs then Darelle Revis and Prime Time on the corners and Ed Reed and Ronnie Lott at safety, Boy would we be good then.
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Now for serious. MSU has fielded a Football team since 1895 and you are watching the Best passer to ever put on an MSU uniform. We have a guy that completes 75+% of his passes. The 25% missed are throw aways and drops. He only throws interceptions that bounce off receivers hands. In my 43 years of watching MSU Football this is the first QB that doesn't make me have my heart in my throat when he goes back to pass. I actually expect good things to happen when Will Rogers is in the pocket. You make your statement like big mobile accurate QBs who can make split second decisions are a dime a dozen. There are 20 teams in the NFL looking for a QB.
Enjoy what we have.
Enjoy what we have.
Our time of possession will win more games for us than a mobile QB with a quick strike offense. Against Arizona is was 36:57 vs. 23:03. A ball control offense with a good defense is going to keep us in the Top 25.
Pass Completion Percentage Career Leaders and Records
Minimum 875 pass attempts.
An asterisk (*) after a player's name indicates bowl stats are included.
Leaders Since 1956
| 1 | Will Rogers* | 72.8 | 2020 | 2022 | Mississippi State |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 | Colt Brennan* | 70.4 | 2005 | 2007 | Hawaii |
| 3 | Colt McCoy* | 70.3 | 2006 | 2009 | Texas |
| 4 | Kellen Moore* | 69.8 | 2008 | 2011 | Boise State |
| 5 | Graham Harrell* | 69.8 | 2005 | 2008 | Texas Tech |
| 6 | Brandon Weeden* | 69.5 | 2008 | 2011 | Oklahoma State |
| 7 | Case Keenum* | 69.4 | 2007 | 2011 | Houston |
| 8 | Chase Holbrook | 69.3 | 2006 | 2008 | New Mexico State |
| 9 | Seth Doege* | 69 | 2009 | 2012 | Texas Tech |
| 10 | Joe Burrow* | 68.8 | 2015 | 2019 | LSU |
| 11 | Brandon Doughty* | 68.6 | 2011 | 2015 | Western Kentucky |
| 12 | Baker Mayfield* | 68.5 | 2013 | 2017 | Oklahoma |
| 13 | Teddy Bridgewater* | 68.4 | 2011 | 2013 | Louisville |
| 14 | Luke Falk* | 68.3 | 2014 | 2017 | Washington State |
| 15 | Bruce Gradkowski* | 68.2 | 2002 | 2005 | Toled |
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Oh so our offense would be better if we had one of the best QBs in the history of the SEC? Thank you for pointing that out.
Bruce, you're old enough to remember Todd Jordan, he had an NFL arm, with the proper coaching, I wonder how he would have done in this offense?
I love Will, he is a system QB, like Danny Wuerffel and many others who set collegiate records. Being a system QB is not a bad thing or a slight, just means he has the talent for the system.
I do think Will can still improve, but i do like the back shoulder throws he and the WRs obviously worked on in the off season.
I'm old enough to remember Dave Marler who threw very well. Kevin Fant if he didn't have to run for his life on every snap I thought could have been a very good passer.
Manziel had generational receiver talent to clean up his messes. He wasn’t out there threading needles and making reads. He ran it in situations where he should have passed and in many cases just flung it up and hoped Evans came down with it. He couldn’t run Leach’s offense.
I’m not saying Manziel was a bad player. He just wouldn’t be a fit for this offense.
Those are names I remember well. I would have liked to Omar Conner used better than he was. I think he would have been good in Mullen's system. I can't remember anyone else who would have been good with Air Raid.
Dave Marler was a stud with Mardee McDole and Brek Tyler. And he could kick too. He got hurt in warm ups against Alabama and btw then and kickoff they went into the dressing room and put together the offense using nothing but the shotgun. Bob Tyler could coach and that team was loaded. I have no doubt we would have won that game if Marler didn’t get hurt before the game.
Time to tell the story where I might have killed Dave Marler around Halloween 1978. My girlfriend at the time stayed in one of the two buildings on the south side of University Drive that is just over the bridge from campus (Behind the Comfort Suites now). Not sure if they are still rooming quarters. I think 3 or 4 girls would share the large multi bedroom suite. Dave was dating one of my girl's roomies and we often went out together since the girls were good friends. I was over at about 1 AM in my girl's bedroom when we heard the main door open and we knew all the girls were in the suite. So I walk out with a bat in the dark room. I guess Dave thought it would be funny to have on an old man mask and scare his girlfriend. So I am easing out into the room towards the kitchen and he comes out from behind the fridge and all i see is a dimly lit silhouette of this old ugly dude and am truly scared. I yell and go towards him with the bat and he busts out laughing and saying I'm Dave, I'm Dave and pulls off the mask.
After my heart slowed I told him he was lucky there wasn't a gun in the apartment and I was 10 feet from him with a bat.
After my heart slowed I told him he was lucky there wasn't a gun in the apartment and I was 10 feet from him with a bat.
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If a qb “scrambles” on any play, the system/design for that play failed. That’s for any coach or system.
Kevin Fant outplayed Manning his first year as a starter. His last two he spent looking up at the sky on most plays. Fant would have been an NFL player if we had an OL to support him.
I prefer having one that gets rid of the ball quickly like Will. I prefer him tossing the ball to a RB when the pocket collapses. I don't want to see him hurt.
Bruce did you have any mob "training" back in NY? You need a wikipedia page, BTW.
Wise choice on the copy and pasted "silhouette." That has to be one of the top 5 hardest words to spell in the English language and I never get it right without looking it up.
This pretty much nails it. If we had QB that could run we would not be coached by Mike Leach. He ain't going to sign that kind of QB. That does not fit his so called "system." This is what those that wanted Leach signed up for.
No, if you are good enough the NFL will find you, no matter where you are or what kind of team you are on. Just like the NBA or MLB. That's just silly.
And of the two that won anything much, neither played under Leach. The biggest winner played under Ogeron , lol.
I disagree with your take rebuttal. Read the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell to encourage a more broader discussion here
We have qb’s on the roster that can run and are a whole lot more of a threat to do so than Rodgers
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