I'm almost sold on Dylan Favre.
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I'm somewhat skeptical because his throwing motion will need MAJOR work. That being said, maybe Mullen can work his magic.
So anyway, per Rivals...since I dont have access to either one of them personally.
Leak: 6'1" - 205lbs - http://rivals.yahoo.com/mississippistate/football/recruiting/player-Chris-Leak-9027
Favre: 5'10" - 180lbs - http://rivals.yahoo.com/mississippistate/football/recruiting/player-Dylan-Favre-76696
And I will spare you their respective scholarship offers.
Leak: 6'1" - 205lbs - http://rivals.yahoo.com/mississippistate/football/recruiting/player-Chris-Leak-9027
Favre: 5'10" - 180lbs - http://rivals.yahoo.com/mississippistate/football/recruiting/player-Dylan-Favre-76696
And I will spare you their respective scholarship offers.
you even made references to Wes Carroll and Michael Henig, whom are 6' and 6'1 respectively. I gave you an answer of a guy who met those qualifications and was successful.
and while a recruiting site might say he's 6'1 and probably runs a 4.2 40, espn and nfl.com both have Leak at 6'0 even.
and while a recruiting site might say he's 6'1 and probably runs a 4.2 40, espn and nfl.com both have Leak at 6'0 even.
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He'd have been a tall, ****** quarterback. Same for Henig.
Who knows how good Farve will be, but I'm not going to knock him just because he's a little short. Hell, he plays defense, too. At the very worst, we'd probably get a good special teams player.
Who knows how good Farve will be, but I'm not going to knock him just because he's a little short. Hell, he plays defense, too. At the very worst, we'd probably get a good special teams player.
and is only being used because of the bad taste leftover by Tyson. The better argument against Favre is that he's smallish <span style="font-style: italic;">and</span> one dimensional. Brunetti, although short, has athletic frame and can run and pass. He's better suited to our offense than Favre is. Maybe I'm underestimating Favre's capabilities running the football?
<font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">I read this today from</font> <font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">http</font><span style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow">http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-recruiting-harry-prospector-1210-20091209,0,4510496.story</span><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-recruiting-harry-prospector-1210-20091209,0,4510496.story
</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">-- In 2009, Favre accounted for 81 touchdowns, the most in the history of high school football; any state, any level. He amassed 6,797 yards from scrimmage (or 453 per game), good enough for second all time. His 5,539 passing yards were the fourth-most (Note: he eclipsed 500 yards in three games, and threw for 498 in another); his 63 touchdowns placed 10th all time.
I don't care how tall he is, if those stats & records are true then I have no problem at all signing him. Although my thinking has been similar to Todd - is he really capable of</font> <font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">beating Russell for the starting spot for the next 4 years? I honestly don't expect him to play if we do sign him, but he should be a capable back-up if he'd be satisfied with that position.
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</font><font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">-- In 2009, Favre accounted for 81 touchdowns, the most in the history of high school football; any state, any level. He amassed 6,797 yards from scrimmage (or 453 per game), good enough for second all time. His 5,539 passing yards were the fourth-most (Note: he eclipsed 500 yards in three games, and threw for 498 in another); his 63 touchdowns placed 10th all time.
I don't care how tall he is, if those stats & records are true then I have no problem at all signing him. Although my thinking has been similar to Todd - is he really capable of</font> <font style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff">beating Russell for the starting spot for the next 4 years? I honestly don't expect him to play if we do sign him, but he should be a capable back-up if he'd be satisfied with that position.
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No, I haven't seen Favre play but a QB doesn't end up with over 1,200 yards rushing if he can't run the ball. Heck, I know a lot of RBs that would LOVE to have that many yards rushing in a season.
He measured 5-11, 194 and ran 4.64 at MSU Top Dawgs Camp in August. Fast enough and hopefully will grow a bit more as he's only 17.
He's done everything any HS player could ever want to do, winning a state championship, MS Gatorade POTY and Mr. Football. He can throw or run. He's a competitor. Maybe you missed the state championship game broadcast where he led a bunch of blue collar white boys to a win over the favorite from the North. Or where he threw over 6-3 and 6-4 linemen in the Blackwell game with only 1 incompletion in the first half in winning MVP honors.
Tyson has spoiled you on football if that's how you view it. Of what I've typed above, when did Tyson do that? You're looking at an athletic freak in Newton and we have a QB in MS that wants to be at MSU that is talented and you're quick to push him to USM or some other school.
He's done everything any HS player could ever want to do, winning a state championship, MS Gatorade POTY and Mr. Football. He can throw or run. He's a competitor. Maybe you missed the state championship game broadcast where he led a bunch of blue collar white boys to a win over the favorite from the North. Or where he threw over 6-3 and 6-4 linemen in the Blackwell game with only 1 incompletion in the first half in winning MVP honors.
Tyson has spoiled you on football if that's how you view it. Of what I've typed above, when did Tyson do that? You're looking at an athletic freak in Newton and we have a QB in MS that wants to be at MSU that is talented and you're quick to push him to USM or some other school.
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this post right here shows the idiocy of some people on this board....you are going to say that Brunetti who had 2500 total yards (includes rushing) and 34 TDs is a more dynamic qb than favre? who are you, Brunetti's dad? Hell if you said they both rushed for 1200 yards like Favre had this year that would leave Brunetti with a stellar passing yardage of 1300 and favre with a below average 5500 passing yardage.....yep i can see that Brunetti >>>>Favre
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is that none of these shorter quarterbacks you keep throwing out as examples were in an offense that wants the quarterback to carry the ball 12-15 times per game. We need someone who can break tackles and run the football as effectively as a running back. Zeier, Brees, Flutie and the like could not have done that.
I didn't know your son was such a bad *** running the football. I won't bother listening to the people that are paid to evaluate high school football talent who list Brunetti as one of the top dual-threat (dynamic) recruits in the country. USM and Northwestern State obviously know something about Favre that the others don't.
Seriously though, tell me about the St. Stanislaus offense. I'm sold on his arm. But, I need someone to educate me as to why I should believe someone his size could run the ball in the SEC. Did he get all those yards because the defense was selling out to address the pass? Did they run option option? How did he get those yards? Junk yards are yards at any level - I won't dispute that. But, does the way he earned the rushing yards translate to potential success at running against SEC talent?
You can't always just read the stats and assume that translates to the next level. You also can't assume that stats are a fair evaluator of talent when they share no common opponents. Even idiots understand that. If you want to just play the stats game, you might as well just chalk Favre at being the next Vince Young.
Seriously though, tell me about the St. Stanislaus offense. I'm sold on his arm. But, I need someone to educate me as to why I should believe someone his size could run the ball in the SEC. Did he get all those yards because the defense was selling out to address the pass? Did they run option option? How did he get those yards? Junk yards are yards at any level - I won't dispute that. But, does the way he earned the rushing yards translate to potential success at running against SEC talent?
You can't always just read the stats and assume that translates to the next level. You also can't assume that stats are a fair evaluator of talent when they share no common opponents. Even idiots understand that. If you want to just play the stats game, you might as well just chalk Favre at being the next Vince Young.
For those that argue there is no difference between 5'11" and 6'1", there has to be a cut off somewhere. By that logic, there is no difference between 5'11" and 5'9" or 5'9" and 5'7", therefore there is no difference between 6'1" and 5'7"?. I believe once you start getting below 6'1" ish, it starts getting very difficult for a qb. I'm all for taking a chance on Favre if we sign Newton.
Also, there was a MS academy qb that had more yards and tds than Favre this year. I can't remember the website I saw it on. Very small school though. Just saying he didn't have the most yds and tds at every level and classification.
Also, there was a MS academy qb that had more yards and tds than Favre this year. I can't remember the website I saw it on. Very small school though. Just saying he didn't have the most yds and tds at every level and classification.
He led the NATION in passing this year. He set the MS record for HS passes with 63 and for yardage in a season. I'm assuming you're referring to Lamar's Witt Haggard who had a great season but you're hugely incorrect in your post.cowboydawg said:
One correct thing you said...you have to draw the line somewhere. But 5-11? How tall is too tall? Mallet's 6-7? What's the ideal QB height/weight/arm strength/40?
Kyle Koch, 5'10" 160 lb qb for Calvary Christian in Meridian. Passed for 51 tds and ran for 29 more in 11 games. Still less than Favre though.
Here's the kicker........ he played 8 man ball! When someone showed it to me originally, he was leading Favre and I didn't know it was 8 man. Sign him up!
All kidding aside, I like Favre and think we should be able to take a chance on his height, especially if we get Newton. How short is too short? It just seems that success level really falls off under 6-6'1". But that doesn't mean a 5'11" qb can't be successful.
Here's the kicker........ he played 8 man ball! When someone showed it to me originally, he was leading Favre and I didn't know it was 8 man. Sign him up!
All kidding aside, I like Favre and think we should be able to take a chance on his height, especially if we get Newton. How short is too short? It just seems that success level really falls off under 6-6'1". But that doesn't mean a 5'11" qb can't be successful.
...........in the SEC by signing smallish 2-star quarterbacks who have no decent offers. Even putting aside his size, you'd think there's bound to be at least one solid offer out there by now if anyone thought he could play big-time football. Where's Kansas? I'm sure they need a dynamic replacement for Todd Reesing.
I'm sure everyone is going to get all warm and fuzzy settling for Favre when we miss out on Newton, Brunetti, etc.
I'm sure everyone is going to get all warm and fuzzy settling for Favre when we miss out on Newton, Brunetti, etc.
I've seen enough 5 star busts and 2 star superstars to really believe these recruiting services know what they are talking about. The star system is an absolute joke and this proves it. Favre is a 2 star QB? Really? That's just idiotic. It's also crazy to argue that a QB with not even half the yards of Favre is better and then turn to the recruiting services for justification.
You said that we can't just assume that his stats will translate to the next level, but that is a straw man argument. I've yet to see people on here argue that Favre is going to be the next Vince Young or that he will gain 6,000 yards at MSU. What I have seen people argue is that he is worth at least a scholarship offer and that there is at least a chance of him panning out, at least a better one than any QB we are recruiting not named Cam Newton. I guess you know as much about football as you do about basketball.
Did you really just suggest that 1,200 yards rushing are junk yards? It's pretty obvious that you are biased against Favre. I don't know whether he'll pan out or not. He might, he might not. This much I know, the arguments I've seen here against him have amounted to little or nothing.</p>
You said that we can't just assume that his stats will translate to the next level, but that is a straw man argument. I've yet to see people on here argue that Favre is going to be the next Vince Young or that he will gain 6,000 yards at MSU. What I have seen people argue is that he is worth at least a scholarship offer and that there is at least a chance of him panning out, at least a better one than any QB we are recruiting not named Cam Newton. I guess you know as much about football as you do about basketball.
Did you really just suggest that 1,200 yards rushing are junk yards? It's pretty obvious that you are biased against Favre. I don't know whether he'll pan out or not. He might, he might not. This much I know, the arguments I've seen here against him have amounted to little or nothing.</p>
I at least have one and I have stated why. I think Brunetti would be a better fit for our offense. That's not a shot at Favre. I don't see why there are so many people that are so sensitive about saying there are better QBs for us out there than Dylan Favre. Do you think he is an elite prospect? Or, are you just trying to nitpick arguments against him just for ***** and giggles. Read what I posted about him. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, I just have some concerns about him and being able to run against an SEC defense. In case you haven't noticed, our QBs do more than hand off or drop back.
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How does this prove the star system is a joke? Neither have even stepped foot on a college football field. You may hold a different opinion that I regarding these two. That's fine, but if you think this proves anything, you are being very shortsighted, biased, or retarded. Plus, internet recruiting services > anonymous internet posters when it comes to evaluating talent. If I'm going to listen to one party over the other, it's going to be the people that actually do the evaluating for a living. There are always anomolies of 5 star busts and 2 star suprises. But, if you are going to try to argue that there's no value to the system or you should write it off completely, you are just being stubborn. There is correlation with highly rated recruiting classes and successful football programs.
Where did that come from? Care to expand?
Yeah, I did. Sure, I'm biased against Favre. What's wrong with that? You're biased towards him. I have some legitimate concerns about the guy. The purpose of stating that about his yards was to get some questions answered about the style of offense he played in at the HS level. Nobody has answered those questions, but they are important. What I'm getting at is: can we expect him to be effective at running the football in the SEC? And if we can, I want attributes cited other than his yardage. Running style? Fast? Stong? Great vision? That's all I want to know. I've never said don't offer the guy. I've never said he can't make it in the SEC. I've said offer him if we can't get Brunetti.
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Look, I'm not sold on the guy either, but I think the arguments used against him are ridiculous. He's short? People consistently make an issue out of height. People told Sam Mills he was too short to play MLB in the NFL. Guess what, he was an all pro. People said Marvin Harrison was too short. He's had quite a career. Then you've got quarterbacks like Drew Brees, Doug Flutie, etc. Now, that is not to say that all short guys will pan out. There have been many short players, as well as tall players, that didn't pan out. The point is, if a guy is good enough his height will not stop him.
He doesn't fit our offense? Really? Surely you realize that Favre ran for 1,200 yards? Oh, that's right, I forgot that those were garbage yards. That's such a ridiculous argument. A guy runs for 1,200 yards but he couldn't possibly run the football, right? Brunetti had less than half the yards Favre did, less than half. Mullen's offense is adjustable. Florida next year is going to have a pro style passer, but I guess Urban Meyer didn't realize that the QB doesn't fit his offense. He probably had garbage yards too in high school. It's just ridiculous. I guess Tyler Russell fits our offense, huh. The great thing about this offense is we can sign the best QBs available and then adjust to their strengths.
My opinion on Favre. He might pan out, he might not. I don't know. What I do know is this, he is worth a scholarship. Guys that gain over 6,000 yards aren't available to MSU every year. We have a chance to sign a QB who put up monster high school numbers with little to no effort, and the best part is we won't be counting on him to pan out. I fail to see how we lose in that deal. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. We are counting on signing Newton or Russell panning out. We can sign Favre, let him RS and take his time developing, and if he doesn't work out he will transfer out no harm no foul. Again, why the vehemence against him? I just don't get it. He is a low risk prospect with a ton of upside, he wants to come to MSU, he had a monster season, and the Favre name is already famous. I mean come on, what's wrong with signing him?
He doesn't fit our offense? Really? Surely you realize that Favre ran for 1,200 yards? Oh, that's right, I forgot that those were garbage yards. That's such a ridiculous argument. A guy runs for 1,200 yards but he couldn't possibly run the football, right? Brunetti had less than half the yards Favre did, less than half. Mullen's offense is adjustable. Florida next year is going to have a pro style passer, but I guess Urban Meyer didn't realize that the QB doesn't fit his offense. He probably had garbage yards too in high school. It's just ridiculous. I guess Tyler Russell fits our offense, huh. The great thing about this offense is we can sign the best QBs available and then adjust to their strengths.
My opinion on Favre. He might pan out, he might not. I don't know. What I do know is this, he is worth a scholarship. Guys that gain over 6,000 yards aren't available to MSU every year. We have a chance to sign a QB who put up monster high school numbers with little to no effort, and the best part is we won't be counting on him to pan out. I fail to see how we lose in that deal. We have everything to gain and nothing to lose. We are counting on signing Newton or Russell panning out. We can sign Favre, let him RS and take his time developing, and if he doesn't work out he will transfer out no harm no foul. Again, why the vehemence against him? I just don't get it. He is a low risk prospect with a ton of upside, he wants to come to MSU, he had a monster season, and the Favre name is already famous. I mean come on, what's wrong with signing him?
I still fail to see how a guy can be rated at 2 stars and gain over 6,000 yards. If that doesn't show the flaws of the star system I don't know what does.
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......I'm being short-sighted. I'm saying there's a huge difference between doing it at the high school level and in the SEC. Great high school stats don't always translate to "Star SEC player." It isn't just about his size, or his stats for that matter, and good coaches out there should be able to evaluate it better than I can. And when they don't offer, that tells me what I need to know.
By the way, I do know Favre has an offer or two, but they aren't BCS offers. I'm not even sure if USM wanted him as a QB.
By the way, I do know Favre has an offer or two, but they aren't BCS offers. I'm not even sure if USM wanted him as a QB.
I mean they should know, they even have a combine to judge the players. In what round was Emmitt Smith taken? Tom Brady? I remember the great Jackie not wanting to Steve McNair at QB. Sometimes these guys miss. Perhaps they are missing with Favre. All I know is when a guy puts up those kinds of numbers and is rated at 2 stars it makes me at least question the star system, if not think it is complete crap (which it is). I guess he wasn't tall enough and didn't fast enough for some stupid scouts, or perhaps he wasn't offered by Nick Saban and Pete Carroll.
If Leak is "under-sized", then Favre is "underer-sized". I would take a Tyson Lee and Favre comparison as apples to apples though.
He played DB and he can punt. If he cannot pan out as a QB, his odds af contributing somewhere are high. If he still doesn't think he fits somewhere then, like Storm said, he can transfer. Oh, yeah, and there is the whole Farve name thing. Seems to me to be a no-brainer.
Your not sold on the guy either? But, you've chosen my posts as and construed them into some sort of anti-Farve statements? I've never said don't offer the guy. I've never said he's too short. I simply think there are better options out there. If those options run out, let's offer him. I've not acted vehemently towards Farve and I've given him the benefit of the doubt. I don't see how you can misinterpret what I've posted. You are being entirely too sensitive over this guy and are twisting my opinions about him.
Are own coaching staff agrees with me and disagrees with you. If it makes so much sense to offer, why haven't we done it? We've made at least 2 other HS offers, both have verbally committed elsewhere, but haven't given one to Favre. THERE HAS TO BE A REASON FOR THAT. USM has offered offered him, but they also have 2 other QBs committed to them in addition to their outstanding offer to Favre. You don't suppose they've offered out of courtsey due to his connection to Brett do you? Maybe not, but it's worth considering.
I just want to know why Dylan Farve is a good fit for our system and why we should offer him before anyone else. You've made his stats very clear. I understand the freak numbers he put up. But despite the freak stats, nobody is knocking on his door. Don't you think there must be a reason for that? I'd love to get the next Jerry Rice, Brett Favre, Steve McNair, etc. as the next guy, but there has to be a reason why people are devaluing the stats he's accumulated. If evaluating recruits was as easy as looking up their stats, as you like to make it out to be, then the list of offers this kid would have would be a mile long.
I still want somebody to answer my questions about his running abilities? How did he gain the yards? It's important to me since our QB is asked to take a hit several times a game in our offense. In the past, I wouldn't have cared, but now it's important that our QBs fit a certain mold.
And after you are finished answering that, expand on the basketball low blow you mentioned earlier. I'm still waiting for you to educate me on what it is I said that twisted your nipples regarding bball.
Are own coaching staff agrees with me and disagrees with you. If it makes so much sense to offer, why haven't we done it? We've made at least 2 other HS offers, both have verbally committed elsewhere, but haven't given one to Favre. THERE HAS TO BE A REASON FOR THAT. USM has offered offered him, but they also have 2 other QBs committed to them in addition to their outstanding offer to Favre. You don't suppose they've offered out of courtsey due to his connection to Brett do you? Maybe not, but it's worth considering.
I just want to know why Dylan Farve is a good fit for our system and why we should offer him before anyone else. You've made his stats very clear. I understand the freak numbers he put up. But despite the freak stats, nobody is knocking on his door. Don't you think there must be a reason for that? I'd love to get the next Jerry Rice, Brett Favre, Steve McNair, etc. as the next guy, but there has to be a reason why people are devaluing the stats he's accumulated. If evaluating recruits was as easy as looking up their stats, as you like to make it out to be, then the list of offers this kid would have would be a mile long.
I still want somebody to answer my questions about his running abilities? How did he gain the yards? It's important to me since our QB is asked to take a hit several times a game in our offense. In the past, I wouldn't have cared, but now it's important that our QBs fit a certain mold.
And after you are finished answering that, expand on the basketball low blow you mentioned earlier. I'm still waiting for you to educate me on what it is I said that twisted your nipples regarding bball.