Impact of Injuries on Minnesota game
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Sandy had a record of making bad decisions at Cal before she came her. The Franklin contract could have been of her worst! Ever wonder why she retired a year early?
Also, she gave Carolyn Krieger an extension after three bad losing seasons in a row? Why? How long is that extension for?
What's else would Fleck say in this situation? Uhrich certainly hasn't turned out to be the whiz bang which Franklin thought he would be. Cirocca is a solid coordinator and should have been given a chance by Franklin.
I know what you are getting at in terms of the buyout position of both parties, but I was referring to the idea that PSU wanted to "lock him up" as the head coach of PSU for the indefinite future, rather than take the chance of him leaving and PSU searching for a new coach. Again, we have to look at this as things stood in Sept 2021, not after the 7-6 hit the record books (or even Saturday afternoon at 3:30 - lol).
I don't think either side truly looked at the contract as a 10 year commitment by both parties, probably more like a 5 year commitment. If Franklin starts winning conference titles, gets this team into the CFP in 4 of the next 5 years and even wins a national championship, then this contract is going to be torn up and re-written (yes, more money to CJF because that's the way the sports world works). OTOH, if has 4 losing seasons in the next 5 years, life is going to be very uncomfortable for CJF and I don't think he'll want to hang around without any support from recruits, fans, or the administration. In that situation, my guess is a compromised settlement gets reached on the remaining buyout.
8-4, 9-3, and 10-2 records make all things status quo regarding the contract. Neither side is making any adjustments.
Now, if he strings together a number of 7-5 years, that's when it gets more complicated.
You are too emotional over the $$ and length of contract. This was a simple business decision for Penn State:
1 - do we want CJF as the coach of PSU or do we want to let him go and we hire someone else? I am going to assume they discreetly looked at the alternatives and decided they would rather keep CJF due to many reasons, not just the won/loss record. This would include the fact that if CJF left, PSU would have to jump into a similarly structured contract to attract a top rated coach to take his place. (I'm not going to engage in a never-ending debate that we could have found a lesser coach at a lesser salary).
2 - once they made that decision, it was simply a question of what is the going rate for a "top 10" coach? You may argue the "top 10" label looking at him through the eyes of Oct 17, 2022, but you can't do that - you need to look at things through the eyes of Sept., 2021. At that time, he was arguably a "top 10" coach (considering his results 2016-2019) and probably top 4 of potentially available coaches (as I said before, nobody realistically thinks Saban, Day, Swinney, or Smart would leave their schools for another P5 program).
Like it or not, CJF had all the leverage in Sept 2021. Penn State simply paid the market rate. I don't like the fact that a Lexus costs $75,000. I can choose to pay that amount and drive a Lexus, or I can chose to drive a Ford for $40,000. I don't determine the market rate.
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The good news for the cackling hens is that, even if we beat Minnesota, they can still use the Michigan debacle, and the impending doom v. OSU to keep their biznatchfest rolling for weeks. And, then, of course, we'll play mediocre teams, and even if we beat them, it doesn't matter.
For the old ladies, biznatching is their bidness, and bidness is good.
For the old ladies, biznatching is their bidness, and bidness is good.
That would be a huge blow to Minny as Morgan - and their RB (can't remember his name) is their offense
Excluding Saban, Meyer/Day, Swinney, and Smart ...
There are 130+ FBS football coaches. Name me 10 other coaches who were better than CJF from 2016-2019 (In Sept 2021, nobody was going to evaluate CJF based upon the covid year.)
Too emotional over money and length? What else is there besides money and length? I get what you’re saying, but I disagree that he was a top 10 coach in 2021. His 4-5 record in 2020 pretty much put the kibosh on that.
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree on whether it was prudent for PSU to enter into the contract it did.
Oh, and BTW…ou can also choose to drive a 2016 Chevy Equinox for $26,000.
I’ll play along with your cherry-picked period of 2016-2019. During that stretch, Franklin generated a Toyota-like record of 4-8 against peer rivals OSU, Michigan and MSU ….results certainly unworthy of such a lucrative one-sided extension.
Further, someone was rightfully concerned about the 2020 and 2021 season start because Franklin got pouty that the extension negotiations were taking too long.
5-7, not 4-8. Are you ever right about anything?
Regardless, we don't only play those 3 teams. Now you know.
That’s really the open question that has been pretty much ignored. By all standard practice outgoing ADs and university presidents will leave decisions like those to their incoming replacements. Not only did they step in but they signed a ridiculous 10 year extension completely handcuffing both the incoming AD and new university president for a decade! No one in the media has really questioned it.
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Injured Gophers quarterback Tanner Morgan might play Saturday vs. Penn State
“Tanner is doing very well, woke up on Sunday morning and surprisingly felt really good, which is great,” coach Fleck said.
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"it has no impact on what happens this week."
I hope you're right....but 5 times in 8 seasons Franklin has immediately followed his first loss with a 2nd one. I realize that sometimes that can be due to schedule, but see Illinois last year.
Injured Gophers quarterback Tanner Morgan might play Saturday vs. Penn State
“Tanner is doing very well, woke up on Sunday morning and surprisingly felt really good, which is great,” coach Fleck said.
Is it any wonder that morgan is feeling better? He knows that if he plays against PSU on Saturday, he will be the Heisman favorite on Sunday.
I guess this is what I struggle with . . . so many on here want to fire Franklin. You use the phrase "top 10" coach. If you are going to fire him because he isn't a "top 10" coach, it would seem to me that you are going to replace him with a "top 10" coach. There aren't many "top 10" coaches out there. Saban isn't going anywhere, neither is Dabo Sweeny (who has 2 national championships and 7 league titles but gets ripped on this board for not being a good coach) or Kirby Smart. So that's 3 we can forget about. Don't say Urban Meyer; PSU is not hiring him. I don't know how many other "top 10" coaches there are out there. Several of the coaches whose teams are currently in the top ten, are not necessarily "top 10" coaches. And for the teams that are not in the top ten right now, how are their coaches any better than Franklin?
Penn State can finish 10-2 or 9-3 this year. I am not saying they will but they could/should. If 10-2 isn't good enough, again who are you going to hire to replace him because most of the other programs in the country are not going to finish 10-2 and many of those teams will have lost to teams a lot worse that Michigan and Ohio State. James Franklin will probably never win a national championship at Penn State, but neither will almost every other coach out there.
Many posters on here get so upset if you don't agree with their opinion, and if you support James Franklin they will call you an apologist or condemn you for accepting mediocrity. I just think you need a better option if you are going to fire the head coach. Don't try to convince me that you are going to fire the head coach and hire someone that you think is better like Matt Rhule, who has had 4 winning seasons out of 7. If you are going to hire someone, I want him to be better, not just someone that I think is better or someone that I think could be better. I want someone with a proven winning record better than Franklin. There aren't a lot of options out there.
If someone can convince me there is a better option out there, I would love to hear it.
I have no idea what you are talkin about. I'm saying what you think or I think doesn't translate to on the field performance.
These boards are great for fans to ***** and moan about everything....
Win lose or draw Franklin is going to be here next year no matter what.
If I don't like what's happening I turn off the game or I don't attend the bowl. So we can be unhappy, but I bet there are 100k + at Beaver Saturday evening.
So forgive me for misinterpreting your sentence structure....
You typed "I don't like the way PSU played either.....but it doesn't mean horseshit what I think and it has no impact on what happens this week."
I took it to mean "it" in that sentence referred to Penn States play and not that you didn't like it.
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I think it's fair to say that no fan of PSU.....casual or sad *** fanatic, could be happy with what happened on Saturday. I would wager that the people who really suffered the most are the actual players and coaches.
Try as some of us might......we have nothing to do with the team, its preparation, game planning, performance or results.
When I find myself not enjoying the game, I simply turn it off. If the season goes south (as it did last year) I don't attend the bowl (as we have made it a family thing for many years).
It just seems that many here take PSU losing as a personal insult. I find that quite amusing.
The obsession with trashing James Franklin is an interesting study. It might be a better use of time and resources to do other things. The man does have a 10 year fully guaranteed contract. Constant negativity can cause constipation.
Perhaps we might all consider why it's always the coaches we don't have, the players that have transferred or those who are not starters that should be in the game (or on the sidelines)? Also interesting is how virtually every post on a PSU football board is a negative, yet some have a collective hissy fit should a media/ journalist/sport personality make the same sort of comment.
What amuses me is all the posters here who know everything about football… never coached a second of football in their life!
and in addition most never played either. They all could have been great......they just chose not too be.
Next to that are those who ***** about $$$ contracts as if they are actually paying for it . So if fans don't like Franklin because he makes 7 million......I guess they'd like him if he only made 1? LOL
Now the 2 boosters that paid for the Mel Tucker contract.....they can *****.
I could be a football coach, but I choose not to.
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