Is Iowa our biggest rival?

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Being a manager is not just about intelligence. It’s also about personality, about being the kind of person who wants to and likes to help other people, about being the kind of person who can make many many decisions quickly and delegate and do boring but necessary administrative work. Many brilliant people are not good at delegating or don’t particularly like to spend time doing mundane things or are not good at hiring or not good at judging good people from bad. If I am going to hire a manager, I want to see some experience at managing! General intelligence is not nearly enough.
 
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No slight intended towards Nolf, but how can you be sure he would bring about the results you're describing? As Penn State fans, we hold him in very high regard, but he's not coaching anywhere at the college level. For all we know, maybe he doesn't want to do it. Being a head coach for a major program is a big job that involves a lot more than just knowing a lot about wrestling. You have to deal with stuff like budgets, recruiting, medical issues and all kinds of things that are outside the scope of just wrestling. I've looked at what head coaches for high school teams have to deal with and I really respect them for their effort and dedication. Iowa wrestling has a big pair of shoes to fill, and I'm not talking about TnT. Zelesky wasn't up to the task, and it doesn't appear that TnT are the answer either. I think Iowa fans are looking at a long stretch of continued frustration.
That was just a hypothetical example. I have no idea if he would want to do it. That is a prerequisite for the whole thing, so if he doesn’t, then that’s obviously not the direction it’ll go, but even if they move on to someone outside PSU like Dake or Burroughs, it would still behoove them to get that person onboard before these next two recruiting classes come in so that the new staff has them for 100% of their careers there.
 

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That was just a hypothetical example. I have no idea if he would want to do it. That is a prerequisite for the whole thing, so if he doesn’t, then that’s obviously not the direction it’ll go, but even if they move on to someone outside PSU like Dake or Burroughs, it would still behoove them to get that person onboard before these next two recruiting classes come in so that the new staff has them for 100% of their careers there.
don't forget we do have others from 'our room' that are currently out there... maybe not in charge but would be sure their brains are being picked... Joseph, Markie
 

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Being a manager is not just about intelligence. It’s also about personality, about being the kind of person who wants to and likes to help other people, about being the kind of person who can make many many decisions quickly and delegate and do boring but necessary administrative work. Many brilliant people are not good at delegating or don’t particularly like to spend time doing mundane things or are not good at hiring or not good at judging good people from bad. If I am going to hire a manager, I want to see some experience at managing! General intelligence is not nearly enough.
This is a big reason why I think DT has been so successful instantly. Running a club like M2 have him managerial experience as well as coaching. Nolf is currently not coaching a college program, he’s … running a club.
 

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141 will be very tough next year. Ech is back for ISU,Larkin from ASU will move there most likely,Stanich,Vega,Who knows what PSU does but say Davis, Basset. Mendez is having some effect on making it a weight to avoid but that crazy talent at 133 isn't all going to stay there. I won't be surprised if Bailey doesn't AA next year. I might be more surprised if he is still at Iowa.
Aee you sure about Ech
 
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That was just a hypothetical example. I have no idea if he would want to do it. That is a prerequisite for the whole thing, so if he doesn’t, then that’s obviously not the direction it’ll go, but even if they move on to someone outside PSU like Dake or Burroughs, it would still behoove them to get that person onboard before these next two recruiting classes come in so that the new staff has them for 100% of their careers there.
Im pretty sure i saw a flo video with nolf saying he wanted to coach at some point and he is already running an academy.
 
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don't forget we do have others from 'our room' that are currently out there... maybe not in charge but would be sure their brains are being picked... Joseph, Markie
Yeah, if Nolf does take a head job somewhere, I expect he’ll look to bring guys like that in with him if they’re interested.
 

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Zelensky and Brands have won 7 titles between them. Not Gable, not Sanderson, and not Smith, but Brands has more than JR and Zelesky as many.
Compared to Gable or Sanderson the two post Gable coaches are not up to par, but they trail only Smith in championships won in the past 40 plus years.
There are some extenuating circumstances that apply to both Zelesky and Brands. Zelesky inherited a Gable team. Hence he benefited for several years from the remainder of previous NCAA champion teams. After a few years, Iowa stopped winning and Zelesky got replaced.

A similar situation applies for Brands. When he jumped ship to take over the Iowa program, some good recruits including Metcalf came along with him. For the first few years, Iowa benefited from a loaded lineup.

Then, in 2009, something changed.
 

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There are some extenuating circumstances that apply to both Zelesky and Brands. Zelesky inherited a Gable team. Hence he benefited for several years from the remainder of previous NCAA champion teams. After a few years, Iowa stopped winning and Zelesky got replaced.

A similar situation applies for Brands. When he jumped ship to take over the Iowa program, some good recruits including Metcalf came along with him. For the first few years, Iowa benefited from a loaded lineup.

Then, in 2009, something changed.
From a college wrestling perspective that "something" was heaven and earth moving.
Still, Cael has 12 championships since his PSU arrival. The other 3, one is Ryan's and the other 2 are Brands'. Brands also has a couple runner-ups.
I enjoy making fun of the brothers as much as anybody, but despite sticking to their outdated training guns they manage to typically out tough and bully most everybody not named PSU.
 

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From a college wrestling perspective that "something" was heaven and earth moving.
Still, Cael has 12 championships since his PSU arrival. The other 3, one is Ryan's and the other 2 are Brands'. Brands also has a couple runner-ups.
I enjoy making fun of the brothers as much as anybody, but despite sticking to their outdated training guns they manage to typically out tough and bully most everybody not named PSU.
Over the course of Cael's entire career at PSU, Iowa has clearly been the second best program (not second every year, but 2 championships and consistently closer to the top than anyone else). This is whole basis for MSU's logic defying defense of TnT. However, now they are clearly falling further and further behind every year, and DT is in the process of exposing the problem as outdated training and program structure, which is squarely on the coaching staff. This is one of those moments when the elite programs (in any sport) will adjust and adapt, something the Brands have shown ZERO inclination to do, so as long as they are at the helm, they will continue to fall further behind and will be passed by more programs that just Ok St once others adapt as well. Iowa is clearly one of the elite coaching positions in the sport. They could have their pick of anyone not named Cael or DT right now, but that will dwindle as the Nolfs and other enticing candidates are picked up by other schools.
 

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Over the course of Cael's entire career at PSU, Iowa has clearly been the second best program (not second every year, but 2 championships and consistently closer to the top than anyone else). This is whole basis for MSU's logic defying defense of TnT. However, now they are clearly falling further and further behind every year, and DT is in the process of exposing the problem as outdated training and program structure, which is squarely on the coaching staff. This is one of those moments when the elite programs (in any sport) will adjust and adapt, something the Brands have shown ZERO inclination to do, so as long as they are at the helm, they will continue to fall further behind and will be passed by more programs that just Ok St once others adapt as well. Iowa is clearly one of the elite coaching positions in the sport. They could have their pick of anyone not named Cael or DT right now, but that will dwindle as the Nolfs and other enticing candidates are picked up by other schools.
Stubborn certainly gets in the way of forward progress. Apparently the slumlord has no interest in helping with building up the Hawkeye club.
The could use 2 changes. Club upgrade. The second, bring somebody in who can teach scrambling techniques. I honestly think one of the reasons they don't shoot is because their scrambling techniques are so outdated and ineffective they have chosen as a program to try and and win 1 td or OT matches. It's pathetic. Call Nolf up, offer him a half a million to be an assistant and let him teach wrestling. Especially scrambling wrestling.
 
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Stubborn certainly gets in the way of forward progress. Apparently the slumlord has no interest in helping with building up the Hawkeye club.
The could use 2 changes. Club upgrade. The second, bring somebody in who can teach scrambling techniques. I honestly think one of the reasons they don't shoot is because their scrambling techniques are so outdated and ineffective they have chosen as a program to try and and win 1 td or OT matches. It's pathetic. Call Nolf up, offer him a half a million to be an assistant and let him teach wrestling. Especially scrambling wrestling.
could of kept Michael K!
 
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There was a post on HR that Gabe wrestle with a 103 degree temperature. I don't think there is any way possible that happened. Corby2 any truth to that?
 

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There was a post on HR that Gabe wrestle with a 103 degree temperature. I don't think there is any way possible that happened. Corby2 any truth to that?
For sure . Guys wrestle sick all the time. Penn St has had guys wrestle sick this year as well . Michael Jordan played an unbelievable game with a high fever..These guys are D1 athletes and have a different mindset then most people. This year multiple teams have had sickness go through the room 4 times . Go watch Jacob Frost last night he's very sick right now but he wrestled and barley beat McDougald
 

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There was a post on HR that Gabe wrestle with a 103 degree temperature. I don't think there is any way possible that happened. Corby2 any truth to that?
101, I’ll buy. 103? You are getting dangerously close to heading to the ER. At a minimum, you’re being examined by a physician and taking precautions against severe dehydration. If that’s true, something is seriously wrong over there. I don’t need to hear any stories from the Stone Age. It’s a new world now, and it was the Michigan dual for F sake, not the world championships.

I really don’t believe that. Of course, I can’t really believe that Terry screamed at his 197lber that he was quitting on him because he wouldn’t get a cortisone shot in his neck either, can I? So there’s that.
 

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For sure . Guys wrestle sick all the time. Penn St has had guys wrestle sick this year as well . Michael Jordan played an unbelievable game with a high fever..These guys are D1 athletes and have a different mindset then most people. This year multiple teams have had sickness go through the room 4 times . Go watch Jacob Frost last night he's very sick right now but he wrestled and barley beat McDougald
Big difference between 103 and a lower number that a lot of guys wrestle with. I have to think that number is exaggerated.
 
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Iowa is probably our biggest rival even if not the best chance to knock us off
Ohio State also may be a legit rival equally as big as IOWA...

both have won championships during Cael's reign and that alone makes them a rival
but add in the history of IOWA... the streak and the championships... this places them slightly ahead of Ohio State in my opinion

However OKST also has some of the tradition... we just don't face them enough... but with an insider (DT) going there and taking many of our kids with him.... the lofty goals and potential for winning (that is the kindling for a big rivalry - in another year or two).

Right now.... I would say that Iowa is still our biggest rival even if they are not our biggest competitor
Ohio State is quickly moving into that role as we have had some epic matches over the Cael era,,, with a lot of meaning behind them

OKST seems to potentially one of the biggest moving forward
and VTECH may be the biggest threat to our winning ways down the road but not a rival (dont face them, no pedigree, tradition or history)

JMO
Excellent post with great analysis....for me !owa is the team which I simply despise! This for me comes from both the arrogance of the fan base and the words of the coaches. Probably I am swayed toward Iowa since I remember Ferentz accusing Penn State of faking injuries to excuse the Iowa fan base booing our players being injured on the field. .
Ohio State historically is our biggest rival even before 1994 when we joined B1G due to location and games played....including the B ig 33 games.
 

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101, I’ll buy. 103? You are getting dangerously close to heading to the ER. At a minimum, you’re being examined by a physician and taking precautions against severe dehydration. If that’s true, something is seriously wrong over there. I don’t need to hear any stories from the Stone Age. It’s a new world now, and it was the Michigan dual for F sake, not the world championships.

I really don’t believe that. Of course, I can’t really believe that Terry screamed at his 197lber that he was quitting on him because he wouldn’t get a cortisone shot in his neck either, can I? So there’s that.
Bingo. 104F = ER trip. Unless temps miraculously decrease during high-intensity physical competition, "sending him out with a 103F fever" is accusing Brands and the trainer of medical malpractice.

OTOH, not terribly different from people saying Kasak needed to shirt this year to recover from concussions, after Cael and Monthley let him compete at B10s and NCAAs in March, and let him train for and compete at Bill Farrell in November.
 

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For sure . Guys wrestle sick all the time. Penn St has had guys wrestle sick this year as well . Michael Jordan played an unbelievable game with a high fever..These guys are D1 athletes and have a different mindset then most people. This year multiple teams have had sickness go through the room 4 times . Go watch Jacob Frost last night he's very sick right now but he wrestled and barley beat McDougald
Sometimes during a competition being injured or sick isn't that terrible.. You feel like **** but sometimes you are thinking about that instead of letting your brain get clouded with other bs... It might have helped Gabe to think about being sick instead of letting all the other noise in...
 

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Stubborn certainly gets in the way of forward progress. Apparently the slumlord has no interest in helping with building up the Hawkeye club.
The could use 2 changes. Club upgrade. The second, bring somebody in who can teach scrambling techniques. I honestly think one of the reasons they don't shoot is because their scrambling techniques are so outdated and ineffective they have chosen as a program to try and and win 1 td or OT matches. It's pathetic. Call Nolf up, offer him a half a million to be an assistant and let him teach wrestling. Especially scrambling wrestling.
I hear you, but let's not solve their problems for them.
 

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Big difference between 103 and a lower number that a lot of guys wrestle with. I have to think that number is exaggerated.
I believe it . But we all are entitled to our own opinion. I wrestled in HS at a regional with chickenpox scabs all over me they made me wear tights a turtle neck and the mask guys where when they have a broken nose. I had a 102 fever that day
 
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Will look around I probably have some. The whole tournament was delayed over an hour while they decided what to do. I had a DR saying I was no longer contagious. So they decided on tights , turtle neck and a mask. I was from Sycamore and it was in DeKalb so my mom ran home and grabbed a turtle neck and an assistant coach back to the HS to dig in old boxes for tights. It was definitely a mess. And after my 1st match I fainted and the ambulance came and got me and took me to the hospital. I had pneumonia
 

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Messing Around Just Kidding GIF
Nooooo GIF

Note to self, stop parroting funny bits on the Hawkeye Report.
 
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JR champ at 97kg and was silver at 125kg but lost to the only true HWT in the bracket. He's 236-242 now and he hasn't forgot how to wrestle its obvious he's not healthy
Anybody who understands the impact his surgery was going to have on him knew it wasn't going to be there this year.
However, becoming less and less offensive the longer one hangs out in the Hawk wrestling room is not an isolated occurrence that can, nor should be blamed on the individuals health.
 

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Anybody who understands the impact his surgery was going to have on him knew it wasn't going to be there this year.
However, becoming less and less offensive the longer one hangs out in the Hawk wrestling room is not an isolated occurrence that can, nor should be blamed on the individuals health.
Who's blaming