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Dawgg

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..anywhere suitable to host early round games of either the men's or women's tournament.

If we were even close (and we're not) we'd probably get tossed a bone every once in awhile. Instead we get to watch Bama and Auburn both play in Birmingham.
The first two rounds of the women’s tournament are held on campus of 1-4 seeds. State has hosted those before. They’re actually headed to South Bend right now since Notre Dame is hosting as a 3 seed. They wouldn’t actually travel to a “regional” site until the Sweet 16 and Elite 8.

The men are a different story, but Memphis wouldn’t be a bad draw. For that matter, Birmingham wouldn’t be a bad draw.
 

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The Mississippi Coliseum renovation renderings were promising, but the result was underwhelming



That place is meant to host rodeos, the fair, wildlife expos, etc. It won't ever been an elite arena. Gonna have to build that elsewhere.
 
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I grew up in Alabama and the BJCC was the epitome of all concerts, basketball Final Fours, conventions, etc.

Was at a volleyball tournament there earlier this year and it was unrecognizable. The $100 million upgrade to the arena is amazing. UAB's new stadium is beautiful.

The Birmingham Crossplex is in a questionable part of the city, but that facility puts everything in the state of Mississippi to shame.

I told a friend that you don't realize how bad Jackson is until you visit Birmingham. A lot of folks in Mississippi think Jackson and Birmingham are similar. Birmingham is way ahead.

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Protective Stadium at the BJCC



You are right. Not EVEN close.

Jackson "leadership" has no vision. Suburbanites have no reason to, nor will many ever buy into Jackson revitalization.

Jackson missed a major opportunity to help revitalize part of downtown when Harvey Johnson slept and allowed Pearl to snatch up the Braves. The Convention center is a bust. Other than hosting volleyball and cheer competitions, it offers nothing to bring in the suburban folks into downtown. They hosted a craft beer extravaganza for the first couple of years and then that fizzled out.

State government, particularly the head Tot in charge, vetoed revenue that would have gone to help revitalize the dilapidated planetarium and parts of Lefleur's Bluff.

The Coliseum, other than hosting the usual Rodeo and state basketball championships, books nothing of consequence other than a few country shows and rap or R&B festivals. While it could still use improvements, why spend the $ to improve a coliseum that is seldom used anymore. If any big acts do a coliseum show in MS they go to Desoto or the coast.
 

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Stop discussing Jackson. That's the worst place and isn't an option. It's the coast 💯! Casinos, food, beach, interstate....Buc-ees brisket soon.
Hell, the capital should move. It could go back to Enterprise/Stonewall and be better than Jackson.
The Coast just doesn't have the basketball cache, and will never be a true player for NCAA basketball, now that I think about it more. It's really more of a baseball area.

If we want to attract basketball, it must be in Jackson. I suppose it COULD happen down there, but it'd need to get a new arena as well. Won't happen in the Coast Coliseum.
 

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You are right. Not EVEN close.

Jackson "leadership" has no vision. Suburbanites have no reason to, nor will many ever buy into Jackson revitalization.

Jackson missed a major opportunity to help revitalize part of downtown when Harvey Johnson slept and allowed Pearl to snatch up the Braves. The Convention center is a bust. Other than hosting volleyball and cheer competitions, it offers nothing to bring in the suburban folks into downtown. They hosted a craft beer extravaganza for the first couple of years and then that fizzled out.

State government, particularly the head Tot in charge, vetoed revenue that would have gone to help revitalize the dilapidated planetarium and parts of Lefleur's Bluff.

The Coliseum, other than hosting the usual Rodeo and state basketball championships, books nothing of consequence other than a few country shows and rap or R&B festivals. While it could still use improvements, why spend the $ to improve a coliseum that is seldom used anymore. If any big acts do a coliseum show in MS they go to Desoto or the coast.
Like I said, 20 years behind. Jackson was building its baseball stadium in the suburbs, while Birmingham was building its stadium downtown.
 

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Geographically it is way smaller than Jacksonville's metro area or Houston. Just saying. Yes, people do drive from Yazoo City to Jakson. It's a 40-minute drive at most. Historically the Metro use to take in Hinds, Madison and Rankin counties but that has been extended. Those three counties probably make up 500K of the 600K.
Thanks for the update as I didn't realize 500K were in the big 3. I lived there from '78 to '86 with another stint '98 to 2001. Makes me wonder how much Jxn's grown because I don't remember population totals back then. Forgot that Zoo Town is that close to Jxn too. I understand now how those other counties are included since I've been in DFW now over 20 years. Many commutes in these parts are horrible.
 

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Quick google looks like the smallest this year is the Wells Fargo arena in Iowa with 16,111, and the smallest I can find having hosted is Jacksonville, with a little over 14k.

This shows 15,229 for basketball. Maybe thats changed- it is wikipedia. Regardless, not sure if a 10,000 arena would make the cut, even if it qualifies.
 

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Well, there has to be an airport nearby to support traveling teams/fans. I'm not talking about a small airport that only has 2 or 3 row planes. I'm not aware of what airports in MS can support the travel necessary for NCAA games.
 

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Like I said, 20 years behind. Jackson was building its baseball stadium in the suburbs, while Birmingham was building its stadium downtown.
True. But only because Jacktown dropped the ball. That dude from Spectrum was on Bounds show weekly it seemed begging for Jackson to buy into baseball. Harvey Johnson completely flubbed that whole ordeal.

Jackson is the place where big things get presented on paper, everybody raves about how it will revitalize the area, and then the dream dies.

Farish Street Entertainment District, new coliseum, renovate the existing coliseum, Old Capitol Green, One Lake project on the Pearl River. How many millions were spent during the planning stages of all of those projects and not a single one of them came to fruition? Well, i guess Farish Street did get some new lampposts and brick sidewalks out of it.
 

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Well, there has to be an airport nearby to support traveling teams/fans. I'm not talking about a small airport that only has 2 or 3 row planes. I'm not aware of what airports in MS can support the travel necessary for NCAA games.
I was going to pretty sarcastically mention the airport in Jackson, but then I read how many passengers it serves each year. 17 thats small for the populations.
 

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The Convention center is a bust.
In February I had the displeasure of attending a cheer event at the Jackson Convention Center. I've had to attend these all over the southeast at different venues and that was by far the worst one for multiple reasons.

The parking lots are like something out of 1950's Mexico...

 

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No, but plenty of people drive from Madison to Yazoo City to work.

I suspect it's strictly about facilities and the competence to host. Even if we dumped a bunch of money into creating a facility capable of hosting, I suspect there would be a lot of concern over the ability to provide an enjoyable atmosphere, with well functioning security and concessions and nearby hotels with running water and a safe environment.

Mis’sip gonna Mis’sip.
 

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Like I said, 20 years behind. Jackson was building its baseball stadium in the suburbs, while Birmingham was building its stadium downtown.
The Pearl stadium was partly a state-run tourism effort with a bunch of help from Pearl itself.

I seem to recall reading some stories about Pearl spending way too much money on this several years back.
 

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I recently spent a weekend on the Coast for kids sports. My impression is the Mississippi Gulf Coast Convention center and coliseum are way nicer than Jackson's.

I definitely think if the coast can accommodate tournaments with 100 teams, parents and etc. they could host rounds 1 and 2 of the ncaa. However I realize it will never happen. But... I see places like Des Moines, Omaha and Greensboro are hosting this year or soon.

However Little Rock hosted once in 2008 and hasn't since. If Lamont passes the ball to Ben, we go to OT vs Memphis.
 

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Well, there has to be an airport nearby to support traveling teams/fans. I'm not talking about a small airport that only has 2 or 3 row planes. I'm not aware of what airports in MS can support the travel necessary for NCAA games.
Airport operational capability is not something that is restricting anything in MS. We have more than adequate airports, esp JAN and GPT.
 

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Stop discussing Jackson. That's the worst place and isn't an option. It's the coast 💯! Casinos, food, beach, interstate....Buc-ees brisket soon.
Hell, the capital should move. It could go back to Enterprise/Stonewall and be better than Jackson.

Jackson - like it or not - is the front door of the state of Mississippi and will always be an option.

Ignoring the City of Jackson is like - dare I say it - ignoring the fact that SPS has a user named Cooterpoot: It isn’t possible.

If people want a major NCAA event to happen in Mississippi, the state needs to overfund the Jackson State stadium project to include a New Coliseum.
 

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Jackson - like it or not - is the front door of the state of Mississippi and will always be an option.

Ignoring the City of Jackson is like - dare I say it - ignoring the fact that SPS has a user named Cooterpoot: It isn’t possible.

If people want a major NCAA event to happen in Mississippi, the state needs to overfund the Jackson State stadium project to include a New Coliseum.
Do we go ahead and spend $200 million on the Jackson State dome and make it a state owned and run facility instead of JSU?

 

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Yeah.. people who haven't been in it for awhile wouldn't recognize it.

Comparing Birmingham to Jackson won't put us in a good light. The revitalization that city has undertaken in the last 10 years is remarkable. Building Barons stadium downtown really kicked things off.

It takes leaders.. and it looks like Birmingham had some.
I’d argue it started more than 10 years ago but it definitely has come a long way.

still has bad areas but has a ton of good stuff going on.
 

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Jackson - like it or not - is the front door of the state of Mississippi and will always be an option.

Ignoring the City of Jackson is like - dare I say it - ignoring the fact that SPS has a user named Cooterpoot: It isn’t possible.

If people want a major NCAA event to happen in Mississippi, the state needs to overfund the Jackson State stadium project to include a New Coliseum.
Might be willing to do that if they let the state police that area and not the city of Jackson.
 
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....We have people asking if basketball is still played in the Memphis Pyramid. This is how I know we at SPS are becoming our parents.

Pretty soon I'll need my kid to come over to log me into Roku.
The bigger issue is he asked 3 times when the first answer had all the information. The second answer had all the information also and he still asked a third question. It was like he could only read the first sentence of the answer.
 
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Do we go ahead and spend $200 million on the Jackson State dome and make it a state owned and run facility instead of JSU?

I thought about saying that but I didn’t know what’s the most economically feasible so I held off from saying that.
 

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Do we go ahead and spend $200 million on the Jackson State dome and make it a state owned and run facility instead of JSU?

Hell no. Let them have their state-funded football stadium, and let the hospital expand. Let a new arena be something totally separate. Truth be known it may need to be privately funded/owned/operated, but at minimum, no association at all with JSU.
 

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Sadly, I don’t see our State improving in the future. If you look at the changes in our population make up over the last 30 years and project that same trend over the next 30 years, things don’t look very encouraging. Poor to terrible local government, uneducated work force, not that many actually want to work, increasing crime, shocking drug problems, etc, etc. if you want to hire someone to leave the fries out of your bag, then we are the cats meow. If you ran a company with operations that require a skilled workforce, would you locate here? If you ran a company here and were looking at a big investment into long term expansion, would you be strongly considering other states? I was born here and am a life long resident. It’s home. We have some hunting land that I always envisioned being passed down from generation to generation. Sadly I have come to realize that home is not in the best interest of my family long term. I have told my children that the grandkids need to leave here when they get grown. It hurts me to say this but that’s just facing reality. Growing up I played little league in the local park and it was a wonderful part of life. Eventually my kids came along and I coached baseball for 13 years in that same park. It was still fine but you could see changes happening that were concerning. Now, my grandkids are little league age and I would not want them in that park for anything. Not even wearing a Kevlar vest. It is nowhere close to being a safe place. A couple of years ago the local gangs decided to shoot at each other in the park while it was full of people having ball games. That’s just example. Watch the local news. Every single night, the first 15 minutes is nothing but shootings, assaults, robberies, etc. our town is no different than pretty much any other town around here. That’s just the way it is and I don’t see anything that’s going to make it any better. most of the other southeastern states are right behind us. My career had me traveling our country for one end to the other for over 40 years. I have pretty much seen it all. Certainly there are places that I would say are significantly worse, but there are now so many places that can now offer so much more. Much of Jackson and south Memphis are what I see for the whole state in not too many years down the road. I sincerely wish that I didn’t feel this way, but I do.
 

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I'm no jsu fan by any means. But it is common practice for cities to build nice venues for the greater good of the city AND allow the local college to use said facilities.

It would be better for the greater good of the state for Jackson to have nice facilities. Doesn't matter who uses it the most.
 
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I'm no jsu fan by any means. But it is common practice for cities to build nice venues for the greater good of the city AND allow the local college to use said facilities.

It would be better for the greater good of the state for Jackson to have nice facilities. Doesn't matter who uses it the most.
They can use it. But they don't need to own/operate it. Unless they wanted to pay for it I suppose, which they can't do.

The Forum is owned by the City of Memphis. The BJCC is owned by the Birmingham Jefferson Civic Complex Authority. The latter is probably best for a Jackson arena, so it'd have to be more than just the city and Hinds County. Would have to involve Madison and Rankin as well.
 
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I feel ya Pilgram. I go to Nashville occasionally for work. Middle TN and east TN is where I'm telling my kids to go. I'd move there today if I could.

also I visited Raleigh nc on a number of occasions the past few years. Raleigh is way way nicer than Memphis and Jackson.
 

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Jackson - like it or not - is the front door of the state of Mississippi and will always be an option.

Ignoring the City of Jackson is like - dare I say it - ignoring the fact that SPS has a user named Cooterpoot: It isn’t possible.

If people want a major NCAA event to happen in Mississippi, the state needs to overfund the Jackson State stadium project to include a New Coliseum.

The question is whether we can fully utilize a coliseum. If we can demonstrate we can keep the capitol area safe for a couple of years, I'd be perfectly happy for the state to put in the money on a coliseum that is state run and policed by the capitol police if it won't be a money suck for the state. If we build a coliseum that can hold 18k with a basketball set up, can we routinely fill it up with stuff that pays the bills? I don't think they'll be a major player for conventions. Concerts, monster truck rallies, boat and RV shows, JSU basketball games, a game a piece of MSU and Ole Miss basketball? What else is going to be there for it to be utilized enough to pay the bills?
 
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It would be awesome if the coast got an arena. It would be a cool place to go for an opening weekend.
Jackson is 20 years behind Birmingham. And Birmingham didn't have good leaders, they just finally got rid of the sh*tty ones.

Investors WANT to invest in cities. All Birmingham did was get out of the way, and it was William Bell that started it in 2010. He didn't actually DO anything. He did nothing. That's all Jackson needs to do. Back the 17 up out of the way. Basically, the opposite of what idiot babychok is doing. Birmingham was rampant with crime, even in downtown. Sewer system bankrupt and non-repairable. Same crap Jackson has going on right now, just bigger. Birmingham is nothing special now, it's just a big city, and cool things will happen in cities IF YOU LET THEM. Get out of the way, let the free market work.

People want Jackson to be cool. If the idiots would simply back up, it could be. But they are too stupid to understand it. I am guessing that the investment will eventually come anyway, and simply overwhelm the idiots.
Could you please come and make this exact speech at every city council and board of supervisors meeting on the coast? Please?
 

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I was going to pretty sarcastically mention the airport in Jackson, but then I read how many passengers it serves each year. 17 thats small for the populations.
Jackson airport has just gotten a completely new Board of Commissioners. That actually appears to be at least somewhat qualified. So maybe things are on the upswing at JAN.
 
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In the present day, yes, I agree.

But future tense, if Jackson can ever get its act together, a new arena would be a great addition.
"But future tense, if Jackson can ever get its act together, a new arena would be a great addition."


Surely you jest? Jackson is gone, finished, gone the way of other urban decayed cities like De-troit. Look at the buffoon that they elected not once, but TWICE! They can't even get a water bill out to the residents because they are one big nepotism family and nobody will take orders from anybody else. There is hardly a voter base left but the few that do are overwhelmingly liberal and Democrat and obviously don't want anything better than what they have (see link below). Look at whats happened in the recent past. Water meter lawsuits, garbage contract disputes (that contract ends this month get your popcorn out), water plant and water service down as much as it is up and running, Zoo shut down, highest homicide rate per capita anywhere for 3 years running, robberies and car jacking daily and hardly any of them get caught and if they do they are set free, City Council and Supervisors constantly bickering and physically fighting, a county jail that has doors on it that haven't worked since it was built and NO jail even in Jackson itself. You need a raised vehicle in most areas to keep your vehicle from bottoming out in potholes, there's sewer water freely running down most any given street. Look at County Line Road, not long ago it was the best shopping and restaurants (chain type) in the state, now go drive down it, if you dare and look at all the empty former businesses gone like Sam's, Best Buy, Circuit City, Copelands, Macaroni Grill, On the Border, Office Depot, and even Northpark Mall is a bunch of crap stores mostly. Why would the NCAA come to town with that kind of track record? Where would they all stay, downtown, County Line, South Jackson? Where would they play, not the Coliseum. If one was built somewhere before Jackson St gets a football stadium all kinds of hell would be raised. You could put some fans in Madison, Flowood, Brandon but not nearly enough. Ask people in Ridgeland and Clinton what's happened in their cities in the last 10 years and they will tell you the plague has spread toward them too. And those poor souls that are holdouts in Belhaven and Fondren, somebody needs to seriously have a talk with them. I spent 20+ years down there and finally said enough, its gone, and moved to Starkville. Nothing could take me back down there for even a night much less to live.

Jackson Voting Record
 

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The question is whether we can fully utilize a coliseum. If we can demonstrate we can keep the capitol area safe for a couple of years, I'd be perfectly happy for the state to put in the money on a coliseum that is state run and policed by the capitol police if it won't be a money suck for the state. If we build a coliseum that can hold 18k with a basketball set up, can we routinely fill it up with stuff that pays the bills? I don't think they'll be a major player for conventions. Concerts, monster truck rallies, boat and RV shows, JSU basketball games, a game a piece of MSU and Ole Miss basketball? What else is going to be there for it to be utilized enough to pay the bills?
I agree.

And anyplace in the state that is asked about a similar arena, you know for sure the area’s leaders will be asking the same exact questions.

And there are only three locales in the state that are just viable enough to have leaders to ask these questions:

1. Jackson
2. The Coast
3. Desoto County
 

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The question is whether we can fully utilize a coliseum. If we can demonstrate we can keep the capitol area safe for a couple of years, I'd be perfectly happy for the state to put in the money on a coliseum that is state run and policed by the capitol police if it won't be a money suck for the state. If we build a coliseum that can hold 18k with a basketball set up, can we routinely fill it up with stuff that pays the bills? I don't think they'll be a major player for conventions. Concerts, monster truck rallies, boat and RV shows, JSU basketball games, a game a piece of MSU and Ole Miss basketball? What else is going to be there for it to be utilized enough to pay the bills?
Do you think that demonstration could have been able to be accomplished if Mississippi had resolved its flag issue back in the early 2000s (2001 if I recall correctly)?

Had the state been more proactive and visionary (!!), perhaps this discussion wouldn't be as gloomy as it sounds today.

https://mississippitoday.org/2020/0...mpionships-until-lawmakers-change-state-flag/
 
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