I've never seen this and DAMN, I am ready for football season....

Coach34

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in the huddle...every single damn one of them...everybody in the huddle was looking at him to lead them every play moron...its called being the QB...
 

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and Moss is the best WR in football. And you and I both know he doesnt really have any character. The Raiders? Exactly- they won a championship. The Dolphins? Mercury Morris got busted for coke....The Cowboys? You mentioned some some good guys, but you left out Emmit Smith, the all-time NFL leading rusher...and yes, he was right there by Micheal Irvin's side partying it up.</p>

I know what Crooms is talking about. But that character BS is getting old. You dont hear Miles or Meyer talking about 17'ing character all the time.</p>
 

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in trouble. If he was in fact partying alongside Irvin, something I am uneducated about and can therefore not make a judgement call on, he certainly did not allow that to become a public distraction for his team as Irvin did. We can list a whole bunch of guys who have allowed their behavior to distract their teams, but you won't find Emmitt's name on that list, neither will you find Jerry Rice, Joe Montana, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, or Walter Peyton on that list either, just to name a few. You don't have to find guys who go to bed at 9 pm, never drink or party, go to church twice on Sunday and again on Wednesday - that's not what is under consideration here. You need people who will act professionally, work hard, be team players, and do their jobs. That is the kind of character that is being discussed here.
 

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Ryan Perrilloux got booted off an LSU team that is returning zero experienced QBs and was himself the top prospect in the nation the year he graduated from high school. Also, one of the most laid back coaches in the SEC gave him the boot. I wouldn't make my point with someone who was to be a vital part of the team but got booted off just a few short months after the game being discussed. Obviously he was too big of a distraction and had to go. I expect this kind of thing from JR, after all he once argued that Walter Sharpe should have been retained (which is very much like your Perrilloux argument minus the championship), but you are capable of more sound reasoning. It's just too bad your head is stuck somewhere other than reality.
 

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to your never ending list of problems, because Emmitt's name is right next to Aikman's in my post. Mercury Morris was arrested in 1982, for Christ's sake. Are you really going to use that one example after he retired? And I used the Raiders as proof that teams that had fewer problems off the field won more. Oh and one last jab, Lyle Alzado joined the Raiders in 1982. I mean, it's not enough you're an idiot, but you really don't know a lot about sports.
 

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being able to repeat what someone is saying in your earpiece is your definition of leadership. That's impressive stuff right there. If his team was waiting on him to lead them to victory, lucky them their defense did it for him and didn't cause that to happen.

You are incredible with the lengths you go to try and prove your point, long after it's been killed and left on the side of the road.
 

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HD6 said:
to your never ending list of problems, because Emmitt's name is right next to Aikman's in my post. Mercury Morris was arrested in 1982, for Christ's sake. Are you really going to use that one example after he retired? And I used the Raiders as proof that teams that had fewer problems off the field won more. Oh and one last jab, Lyle Alzado joined the Raiders in 1982. I mean, it's not enough you're an idiot, but you really don't know a lot about sports.

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I've never seen a fan base have as many car flags in the stands as that Ole Miss group. Has that really become a viable cheering option, awkwardly waving your teams car flag in the stands?
 

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and the list of other embarrassments out the ***. Hopefully with the new regime, some things will drastically change about the whole game-day experience. In fact, I'm counting on it.
 

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I may look at this through a little different eyes than some, but it is much easier for me as a father to use Jerry Rice or Cal Ripken Jr as models for my children than it is Barry Bonds or Terrel Owens. My family has State ties going back to the early 60's (my father was the first college graduate in his family), and my allegiance runs deep. I will take 8 wins every year with good kids (subjective, I know) any day over 10 wins with thugs. Don't get me wrong; it was a lot of fun watching many of JWS's boys run over and though folks while we were winning, but at the end of the day when I am putting my kids to bed, I've got to answer for what kind of priorities I am showing them that I have.
Don't tell me to look somewhere other than sports for role models, either; I hope I am their ultimate role model, but sports are a big part of my life and I have a vested interest in the quality of the young men I am paying to take my kids to see.

As for the video, that should be played (loudly) on the Jumbotron, followed by a REAL cannon shot, and the team run out immediately. NOT 5 MINUTES AFTERWARD WHEN THE SPIRIT HAS DIED DOWN. Man, I hope our gameday crew improves with the new regime.
 

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Sometimes, we forget that as much as we love Mississippi State Football, and base our schedules around the season, and long for the morning we wake up to walk to the junction. We have to remember that Coach Croom is not just bringing these STUDENT athletes in to win. He also wants them to be the best they can be in whatever field they go into after college....they are students not professional athletes. He wants them to have character for life after college. Its not all about winning...as much as we like to win.
 

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You're really citing Perrilioux as an positive example of what a lack of character can bring to a team??? It's not exactly like he's the first backup QB at LSU to win an SEC championship game.

Edited to add that if you want to see what a lack of character can do to an MSU football team, just look at the cluster-<17> Jackie left Croom with.
 

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HD6 said:
He may be an idiot, but he's not a thug. There's a difference, for example, you're not a thug.

I had to laugh at that one. </p>
 

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just saying.

I know you might not be in this crowd. But, everybody walks around saying "Well, let those guys play PUBLIC (you have to really emphasize that word) schools and see how good they are."

Then, we thrash a much larger school who would be above any public school division we would be in, and folks say "Well, it was just Pearl." I mean, hell. We beat the **** out of them (and I have no doubt there will be turnabout this year) and folks still aren't impressed. We never said we were as good as South Panola University. We just rebut the fact that we wouldnt' be competitive in public school ball, particularly among schools with similar class sizes. The fact is that we would be be competitve. And last year being one of our better historic teams, we would have not only been competitive, but would have excelled among schools our size.

And yes, Bryant Salamon was fast. VERY fast. He just didn't have the size.
 

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Newton County High who is 3A and finished the regular season 10-1.
 

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by my estimation, we would be a middle of the road 3A school in size. Now, that is if you only count our grades that public school high schools have. If you count our 6-12 grades, which would be illogical, we would be bigger than that. </p>
 

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Easily their best in at least a decade (and maybe ever). They'd have made the 4A playoffs in any district except 5-4A last year (Wayne County didn't even make the playoffs in that district) and would have likely won 4-4A. They would have made at least the semi-finals in Class 3A, which is the class they would probably play in if they played in MHSAA. But when the Newton County coach was asked to compare Prep to Franklin County, he was diplomatic about it but basically said Franklin County would win easily.

And yes, Pearl was a very very bad team last year so beating them by any score isn't much to brag about. And Brandon wasn't much better. They finished behind both Wingfield and Natchez for crying out loud.
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Edited to add: The only reason Pearl won any games at all last year is they played in a district that would have struggled if it were playing against 2A competition. It was easily the worst 4A district since the classifications changed back in 1984.
 

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futaba.79

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ball in Mississippi, it would be a dominant program and would regularly compete for the football and baseball titles. It would rule the country club sports and would be competitive in basketball and track.</p>

Public school supporters probably don't want to believe it, but that's the way it would be. For the record, I'm a public school guy.
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someone that I highly respect about how good Prep's football team was after that game. This guy used to be the HC at Pelahatchie HS and does commentary for a local Friday night HS scoreboard show, so he I feel like he is fairly knowledgable.

He told me that Prep could compete and was capable of beating any school in the Jackson metro area except for one- Provine. He thought that Prep would have a lot of problems with Nickoe Whitley.

I'm a public school person myself, and that Prep team was darn good. I saw them play JA in the AAA state Championship Game. The private schools and public schools play different styles, but I have no doubt that Prep could have competed with just about anyone, except for maybe South Panola, but no one else does either.</p>
 

patdog

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Prep would be very competitive in their class if they played in the MHSAA. And you're right that they'd dominate the country club sports.
 

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I've lived in the Jackson metro area and public school football in this area generally sucks. There are some exceptions, but in 2007 the area was especially down. The only public school team from the Jackson area that won a playoff game last year was 2A St. Andrews (and they're not even a public school they just play in MHSAA instead of MPAA). So I really don't have a problem with saying that Prep could have beaten pretty much any public school team in the Jackson metro area.
 

8dog

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its not always the bigger, faster, stronger teams that win. There are intangibles involved.

I have no doubt all of the 5A schools in the Jxn area are bigger and faster than Prep.
 

futaba.79

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that a 4A/5A metro area school is bigger, faster and more athletic than Prep. However, last year's Prep team (several of their better teams for that matter) was plenty big and fast. Put that with being well coached and disciplined and you have a recipe for success.
 
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