J. Bell Tracker

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Yeah, I know. If you don't like it, don't open the thread. All the HBC and Harbor debating has me salty and petty, so F it. Lets get messy. I'm going to track Bell's stats each week and compare to his years at USC and to Trey Knox. My personal opinion is that he's a freak athlete, but not a good football player. It's been a hotly debated topic, so we'll look to put an end to it.

Having said that, I hope he blows up and I get to throw even more shade at Satt.

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USC TE1 StatsRecRec YdsRec TDRushRush YdsRush TDsTotal YdsTotal TDs
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Week 5 Update - Knox has more rec and yards with 1 less TD. FSU beat So Miss 66-13 and Bell didn't touch the ball. That sounds familiar.
Week 6 Update - No stats for Bell in a game they won by 3 TDs
Week 7 Update - 4 rec for 87 yds, 0 TDs. Decent day, but still hasn't been in the endzone since the 2nd game of the year.
Week 8 Update - 8 rec for 53 yds, 0 TDs. Currently on pace for about the same stats he put up while he was here, with Marcus Satterfield calling plays. Knox on a similar pace as well.
Week 9 Update - 4 rec for 51 yds, 0 TDs. Hasn't gotten into the endzone since 9/16. Statistically, the only material difference in the two has been a JB 2 yd TD run.
Week 10 Update - 5 rec for 23 yds. 6th straight week without finding the endzone. Damn shame Norvell is costing him millions and not using him properly. Since Knox was out, I added Simon's stats this week to the season totals for Knox. Simon looked good, and likely earned himself more targets as the year goes on.
Week 11 Update - Knox/Simon are tied with Bell in receiving Yds/TDs.
Week 12 Update - Knox back. Kind of feel like Simon is the better player, but oh well. Bell didn't do much...again.
Week 13 Update - Bell had 3 receptions for 38 yards 0 TDs.

That concludes the experiment. Based on the actual results, I would deduce that:

1. Our former OC, and current HC, did not hinder Bell's production at all. He went to a team with better talent around him, with a HC that is considered to be an offensive leader, and had less TDs than he did in each of his prior years at USC, and less yards than his first year at USC.

2. We did not miss his production as much as most thought we would. . Knox/Simon were within 100yds of Bell's production while at USC, and 3 TDs off. Knox/Simon were within 1 TD of Bell this year, and 42 yards.

3. Therefore, losing Jaheim Bell to the portal was not the huge loss for Beamer everyone made it out to be.
 
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Well, we may not agree on Harbor or SOS leaving mid-season, but we agree on this!
 

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Yeah, I know. If you don't like it, don't open the thread. All the HBC and Harbor debating has me salty and petty, so F it. Lets get messy. I'm going to track Bell's stats each week and compare to his years at USC and to Trey Knox. My personal opinion is that he's a freak athlete, but not a good football player. It's been a hotly debated topic, so we'll look to put an end to it.

Having said that, I hope he blows up and I get to throw even more shade at Satt.

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Week 5 Update - Knox has more rec and yards with 1 less TD. FSU beat So Miss 66-13 and Bell didn't touch the ball. That sounds familiar.
Sorry to make you salty and petty! 😂
 
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Yeah, I know. If you don't like it, don't open the thread. All the HBC and Harbor debating has me salty and petty, so F it. Lets get messy. I'm going to track Bell's stats each week and compare to his years at USC and to Trey Knox. My personal opinion is that he's a freak athlete, but not a good football player. It's been a hotly debated topic, so we'll look to put an end to it.

Having said that, I hope he blows up and I get to throw even more shade at Satt.

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Week 5 Update - Knox has more rec and yards with 1 less TD. FSU beat So Miss 66-13 and Bell didn't touch the ball. That sounds familiar.
I could not agree more. I got attacked during the summer when I said Knox is a better TE. Can Bell do more than him positionally yes but as a TE Knox is better.
 

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Tracker updated in OP. Bell and Knox are about neck and neck in terms of production. Only material difference is Bell's 2 yd TD run against LSU. Bell is currently tracking flat to his total production under Satt.
 

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Tracker updated in OP.

Even thought he's statistically the same player we were "wasting" here at USC, I will say that calling him "not a good football player" might be excessive. He's a good player...just not so good of a player that it was a big loss in the portal. Pretty clear we've been able to replace his production to this point.
 

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Tracker updated in OP.

Worth noting that Knox has a hammy. Who knows how that will play out. If Knox can't go, I'll just add Simon's stats to it beginning next week. Simon has 2 TDs on 12 catches so far. If he's TE1 going forward, it could work out pretty nicely. I think he's a more explosive player.
 
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Of course the big gut punch is they are undefeated and #4 in the nation.
While true, the spirit of the tracker was to disprove 2 myths:

1. This was a huge loss that would significantly impact USC
2. We were wasting his talents and costing him millions.
 
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Yeah, I know. If you don't like it, don't open the thread. All the HBC and Harbor debating has me salty and petty, so F it. Lets get messy. I'm going to track Bell's stats each week and compare to his years at USC and to Trey Knox. My personal opinion is that he's a freak athlete, but not a good football player. It's been a hotly debated topic, so we'll look to put an end to it.

Having said that, I hope he blows up and I get to throw even more shade at Satt.

J Bell StatsRecRec YdsRec TDRushRush YdsRush TDsTotal YdsTotal TDs
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Week 5 Update - Knox has more rec and yards with 1 less TD. FSU beat So Miss 66-13 and Bell didn't touch the ball. That sounds familiar.
Week 6 Update - No stats for Bell in a game they won by 3 TDs
Week 7 Update - 4 rec for 87 yds, 0 TDs. Decent day, but still hasn't been in the endzone since the 2nd game of the year.
Week 8 Update - 8 rec for 53 yds, 0 TDs. Currently on pace for about the same stats he put up while he was here, with Marcus Satterfield calling plays. Knox on a similar pace as well.
Week 9 Update - 4 rec for 51 yds, 0 TDs. Hasn't gotten into the endzone since 9/16. Statistically, the only material difference in the two has been a JB 2 yd TD run.
Week 10 Update - 5 rec for 23 yds. 6th straight week without finding the endzone. Damn shame Norvell is costing him millions and not using him properly. Since Knox was out, I added Simon's stats this week to the season totals for Knox. Simon looked good, and likely earned himself more targets as the year goes on.
Put in marshawn Lloyd tracker
 
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Put in marshawn Lloyd tracker
The point of the thread wasn’t to try trash every transfer. There was debate on this board over how big a loss Bell would be. There was debate all last year about how it was Satt/Beamers fault Bell wasn’t producing. I always held the opinion that Bell wasn’t a great football player, but a great athlete. And he wouldn’t be a big loss, and we replaced his production in the portal. I don’t think many people doubted that Lloyd would be able to put up stats in Riley’s offense. The only knock on him was health and he just missed the biggest game of the year, and it was a close loss.
 

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The point of the thread wasn’t to try trash every transfer. There was debate on this board over how big a loss Bell would be. There was debate all last year about how it was Satt/Beamers fault Bell wasn’t producing. I always held the opinion that Bell wasn’t a great football player, but a great athlete. And he wouldn’t be a big loss, and we replaced his production in the portal. I don’t think many people doubted that Lloyd would be able to put up stats in Riley’s offense. The only knock on him was health and he just missed the biggest game of the year, and it was a close loss.
If we had Lloyd and bell this year we would probably have a couple more wins
 
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Mario only trails Lloyd by about 130 yards and he didnt even play until the 4th game. And he’s doing that against p12 defenses. Not much of a difference.
If Lloyd was here Joyner would have never been our feature back. That experiment was an epic fail. Lloyd would have made a difference early
 
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If Lloyd was here Joyner would have never been our feature back. That experiment was an epic fail. Lloyd would have made a difference early
I agree, but that’s an entirely different discussion that gets my blood pressure up.
 

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Mario only trails Lloyd by about 130 yards and he didnt even play until the 4th game. And he’s doing that against p12 defenses. Not much of a difference.
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I would take Mario all day every day over Lloyd. The coaches screwed the pooch taking 3+ games to figure out what we had at RB.
 

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The road not taken is never known, let alone provable. What either of the primary focuses of this thread would have done in OUR PRECISE SITUATION cannot be quantified.
 

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The road not taken is never known, let alone provable. What either of the primary focuses of this thread would have done in OUR PRECISE SITUATION cannot be quantified.
While true, there were many that argued with me (very matter of factually) that this was a huge loss and he would go on to blow up at FSU. Nobody knows what would have happened had he stayed and actually devoted himself to being a better TE. This exercised is simple. Bell has been the same guy for 3 years. Nobody was holding him back here, and nobody is holding him back at FSU. He's simply a decent football player that may never live up to his potential. Period.
 
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Truth be told, whenever a player leaves our program, I could care less if he makes it into the NFL. Hopefully, he will not make it. And I feel the same way regardless if Satterfield is involved or not.
 

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While true, there were many that argued with me (very matter of factually) that this was a huge loss and he would go on to blow up at FSU. Nobody knows what would have happened had he stayed and actually devoted himself to being a better TE. This exercised is simple. Bell has been the same guy for 3 years. Nobody was holding him back here, and nobody is holding him back at FSU. He's simply a decent football player that may never live up to his potential. Period.
Had dinner with an FSU alumnus and big fan Saturday night. He indicated they like Bell more than you disdain him. With the developments of this latest game. Bell's role is likely to expand.
 

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Had dinner with an FSU alumnus and big fan Saturday night. He indicated they like Bell more than you disdain him. With the developments of this latest game. Bell's role is likely to expand.
Hell, I liked him. I just didn't love him, and I didn't hate our coaches bc they were "wasting his talents". We had plenty to go after Satt about, but that wasn't it.

He's the same guy he was here in 2021 and 2022.
 
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Hell, I liked him. I just didn't love him, and I didn't hate our coaches bc they were "wasting his talents". We had plenty to go after Satt about, but that wasn't it.

He's the same guy he was here in 2021 and 2022.
If the Tennessee win last year meant anything, people ought to love him. There was more where that came from which wasn't realized.
 
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If the Tennessee win last year meant anything, people ought to love him. There was more where that came from which wasn't realized.
And that's just the problem. For some reason, the wealth of talent has never been realized. Even on a better team with an offensive genius as a HC. Having said that, he was not as impactful in that game as many others were. Not sure what that game would make me love about him.
 
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He could save your Mama from a burning building and you wouldn't love anything about him.🤣
 
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Tracker updated in OP along with final analysis and findings. Can we put this myth out to pasture now??
 

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Tracker updated in OP along with final analysis and findings. Can we put this myth out to pasture now??

Don't disagree with any of that. Jaheim and his mama were drama queens. That said, he's likely on his way to the playoffs, so he's probably ok with the decreased numbers.
 

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Tracker updated in OP along with final analysis and findings. Can we put this myth out to pasture now??
It's no myth that we could have used him THIS year, and not him only, but others who bolted. We had one (1) reliable receiver, and he only emerged after the season started. He also jaked it on that scoop and score the other night. On a team that finished 5-7, having an athlete of Bell's caliber couldn't have been anything but a plus.
 

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It's no myth that we could have used him THIS year, and not him only, but others who bolted. We had one (1) reliable receiver, and he only emerged after the season started. He also jaked it on that scoop and score the other night. On a team that finished 5-7, having an athlete of Bell's caliber couldn't have been anything but a plus.
“Could have used him” isn’t the measuring stick of this experiment. If we had him, we wouldn’t have gotten Knox, who fell marginally short of his production.
 

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Gamecock fans: no player can ever make us despise him more than the traitorous Bell!

Antwane Wells: hold my beer.