Where do Ziegler, Cipriano, Snedden and/or Pendergrast have it wrong? I find what they all have to say as very believable that is back up with facts and evidence.
Jerry Sandusky files a pro se motion for a new trial and asks for evidentiary hearings
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There are real effing issues going around, in case you haven't noticed. Some numbnuts tried to become king and destroy democracy, another numbnuts is at the helm of a flailing economy, a bunch of numbnuts are stripping folks of basic rights and sending us back to the dark ages ... and you chose to spend your time defending a serial child molester. Grow the eff up.
I am not aware of any recordings or transcripts of Jerry's exact words. The trial testimony is disputed by Jerry. I also believe it is possible for police officers, either intentionally or not, to remember things differently from what actually happened. For example what happened in a different instance in the trial when Leiter and Rossman gave contradictory stories regarding their interview of v4 and their discussions with v4's lawyer.
Yes, I buy-in to Jerry's side of things because I believe he of outstanding character, honest to a fault, and he has maintained his innocence from day 1.
I am willing to consider any evidence whether or not it is helpful to Jerry's defense. The problem is that there just really isn't any credible evidence that shows that Jerry harmed anyone. If you have something, please let me know.
Yes, I know there are a lot of issues going around at this time. I am sorry that you are not interested in what I am fairly certain is a colossal miscarriage of justice.
appointed political hacks vs elected political hacks- the difference seems small, if there is a difference at all
True, but for these things to be admitted as evidence in court lends a totally different level of legitimacy/credibility to them that a podcast never can.
One of the biggest mistakes the BOT made was not to seriously vet the claims that came in. For anyone interested in what the vetting process entailed, please read the following article by Ralph Cipriano "Easy Money at Penn State."
Easy Money At Penn State
By Ralph Cipriano for BigTrial.net On Oct. 1, 2014, Brett Swisher-Houtz, " Victim No. 4" in the Jerry Sandusky sex abuse case was call...
Anyone here familiar with Aesop's Fables?
Do your own legwork with folks around Lock Haven and Mill Hall.
Do your own legwork with folks around Lock Haven and Mill Hall.
Remember the crying janitor?
You know, the one on tape who says "it wasn't JS?"........LOL evidence.....
You know, the one on tape who says "it wasn't JS?"........LOL evidence.....
A short time ago, Tomi Lahren was on twitter spewing her usual awful, hateful inhuman bile. She wrongfully try to paint a picture of voter fraud (trying to profit off yet another crazy conspiracy). Except the LA County Registrar actually chimed in and explained to her how she was entirely incorrect about how things work. Ziegler then chimed in and tried to tell the Registrar that they were wrong, and they didn't understand how voting procedures work. Because he's effing nuts, and just a bad guy (or just incredibly stupid ... you choose). He was, of course, corrected.
The point being, if you align yourself with crazy conspiracy guys, and you present what very much appears to be a crazy conspiracy, it's going to be VERY VERY hard to convince reasonable people to give you a listen. Sure, it's the internet, so there's a pocket full of crazies to be found on every topic, and it's en vogue today to say anything that happens didn't really happen, or is the plot of some powerful masterminds, so you'll get a cult following on just about anything ... but I'm talking about getting REAL people to listen to what you have to say.
If you're aligning yourself with Ziegler, you might as well just hold a press conference at Four Seasons Landscaping with Giuliani as your mouthpiece, and have caged monkeys throwing feces at the audience while giving everyone shrooms so they can enjoy the crazy trip you're about to send them on.
Final comment, JS didn't get a fair trial. I'd like to see another. If he is really guilty, nothing to fear.
If not.......that's what the parasites fear. Howard Stern?
If not.......that's what the parasites fear. Howard Stern?
And how much press/public grief did MSU and OSU get? There actions were much more egregious as far as number of victims.
I am aligning myself in the Penn State case with Ziegler because of his proven track record on this case and his 60 hour epic podcast "With the Benefit of Hindsight" (WTBOH). I also also aligning myself in the Penn State case with Mark Pendergrast, Ralph Cipriano, John Snedden, Fred Crews, Malcolm Gladwell, Dick Anderson, Fred Crews, Joe Stains, Liz Habib, Mike Agovino and the many others who believe that Sandusky, Spanier, Curley, Schultz and Paterno were all railroaded.
Let me also state that I am not aligning myself or supporting a host of issues that Ziegler supports such as women's rights, gun control, climate change and covid policy to name a few. At the same time, I have found his work in the Penn State to be very good and backed-up by supporting witnesses and evidence.
If you can and are interested, please tell me what specifically Ziegler has wrong in the WTBOH podcast. I am guessing that you will decline as it seems to me that you only have a superficial knowledge of what exactly happened.
Quite frustrating that he cashed in with all of this.
does anyone ever remember the poster "derrypharmer" from BSD? He died years ago, but was very good friends with sue and joe. He wouldn't say much about it, but one of his last posts i recall was something around the lines of "there is something rotten in this hamlet of state college and when the full truth is exposed it will be shocking."
call me a conspiracy theorist but I still think the second mile was a grooming ground for some wealthy/connected individuals with sick proclivities.
edit: https://www.blackshoediaries.com/2014/9/26/6850035/in-memoriam-derry-pharmer
call me a conspiracy theorist but I still think the second mile was a grooming ground for some wealthy/connected individuals with sick proclivities.
edit: https://www.blackshoediaries.com/2014/9/26/6850035/in-memoriam-derry-pharmer
If you can and are interested, please provide what you believe is a crazy conspiracy in what Ziegler or I believe happened in this entire fiasco.
Ziegler claims to be an anti-conspiracy person. To me, the story that he tells in the WTBOH podcasts makes a lot more sense that the OAG narrative.. In fact, the story with the conspiracy is the narrative that the OAG told that Paterno, Spanier, Curley and Schultz all conspired to cover-up the crimes of an ex-coach who was already retired. Paterno, Spanier, Curley and Schultz are all good men who had pristine reputations up tp then and had no good reason to bury the predilections of an ex-employee. The idea that they were protecting the brand/reputation of the football team or the university is baloney as the university and/or football team's reputation would be enhanced and not tarnished for exposing predatory acts.
I think the main point here is that the messenger is just as important as the message.
The irony here is that the only crazy conspiracy connected to this case is the conspiracy theory that Joe, Spanier, Curley, and Schultz covered up for Jerry to protect Penn State. There is no evidence to support it, it 's not supported by the facts, and it just plan doesn't make any sense to begin with. Total conspiracy theory!
I agree. I don't believe that Ziegler is the best messenger; however we don't get to choose the messenger in this case. Nobody else has stepped up. Dick Anderson is not a bad messenger, but with no criticism of Dick intended, I am not sure he has the wherewithal to be effective to the scale that is needed. John Snedden and Ralph Cipriano have done a great job with the Search Warrant radio show and bigtrial blog but I am not sure how much of a dent in public opinion that they have made. Mark Pendergrast's book "The Most Hated Man in America" was excellent, but it didn't get a publisher that was deserved and needed for widespread exposure. Professor Fred Crews, Rev. Joe Stains, Ronald Smith, Terry Engelder and others have all have spoken out, but I don't believe their message has been widely heard. Do you have any thoughts about who the best messenger might be to help make a dent in public opinion regarding the entire injustice and how to recruit them?
Yes. Michael Jacob McQueary. He’s the only one who knows exactly what he saw and exactly what he said (although so much time has gone by there’s a pretty good chance even he can’t accurately recall either).
How to recruit him? Not a clue.
The problem is that MM is already invested in the OAG narrative to the tune of ~$11 M. It would be nice if he ever came clean, but I think it is very unlikely It would be nice to recruit the PSU BOT or the MSM, but they are both deeply invested in the conventional wisdom. It would be nice if a claimant or two flipped; but the way that Penn State structured the payments to being prorated over a long period of time means that the claimants are incentivized to keeping quiet for a long period of time. I believe the real story will eventually break, but it doesn't seem like it will be in the near term. I believe it will take a courageous act by a judge for evidentiary hearings and/or a new trial or a national media outlet with an expose/documentary.
Agreed, but that would mean that he'd have to admit publicly that he lied. Sorry, but Slim is long gone.
Not sure how much it would even matter at this point. Even if Magic Mike recanted a very large segment would dismiss it by either saying that PSU paid him off, or so what, Sandusky raped 25 (I'm taking a little literary license here) other kids on PSU's campus.
It's a pretty straightforward case, without the need for "crazy" conspiracies. The only issues at play are determining who, if anyone, is telling more of the truth as to what they did or did not do, or know. The "conspiracy" here is also straight forward. They all met. They all discussed what to do. Harmful s*** happened that could have been prevented if they took other actions and made other decisions. The only issue is whether their failure to do enough was reasonable at the time. When you talk of "crazy conspiracies," typically the elements of folks working together toward an end, and plotting to that end, are the "questionable" (i.e. crazy) assertions (world leaders and corporate heads meet at some secret location) ... sometimes it's also some dubious end (to plot out the destruction of the current world and implement the rise of a new world order). But, here, that stuff is already settled. It's known. It's admitted to. Schultz, et al. all met. They all talked about this issue. They came up with a plan of action/inaction. And an awful result occurred (unless you're one of those crazies who actually believes Sandusky is innocent ... then I can't help you ... no one can), and their action/inaction, had it been different, could have addressed this better.
So you're, quite obviously, completely incorrect.
And if you are someone who takes the word of McQueary over the word of Curley, Schultz, and Spanier, then I can't help you. No one can.
Careful. I said something similar a while ago in this thread and it got nuked for.... whatever reason
This hits to the biggest issue in all of this. Most everyone is so entrenched in their stance and unwilling to even listen to the other side that it doesn't matter anymore. Look in this threat for the proof. Someone respectfully asks (IMO) legit questions and for legitimate proof, and they get attacked and called names. And for that reason, short of someone coming out and admitting either A: they unequivocally did it, or B: Everything was fabricated, it's not gonna matter. and even then it might still not matter.
and THAT..... THAT is the sad state of affairs we're in.
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