Jordan Burch going in the portal?

18IsTheMan

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Saw a blurb about him possibly transferring. I can't imagine what his beef is.
 

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I heard it's 100% NIL (family pressure). Probably wanting some of that Nike money. Likely seeing he's not a sure bet NFL high draft pick and want to get some $$ why they can. Just speculation on my end.

That's sadly believable.

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but if it comes down to NIL, then I say let him leave. I have zero interest in getting into bidding wars to convince players to stay. Besides, he's a good player, but he's not THAT good. I don't think he's lived up to his top 10 recruit status as of yet.

If I was a college football coach and one of my players told me he was thinking about transferring unless we could get him more NIL money, I'd tell him to clean out his locker. But that's just one of many reasons I could never be a college football coach.
 
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That's sadly believable.

I'm sure I'm in the minority, but if it comes down to NIL, then I say let him leave. I have zero interest in getting into bidding wars to convince players to stay. Besides, he's a good player, but he's not THAT good. I don't think he's lived up to his top 10 recruit status as of yet.

If I was a college football coach and one of my players told me he was thinking about transferring unless we could get him more NIL money, I'd tell him to clean out his locker. But that's just one of many reasons I could never be a college football coach.
I have mixed feelings on transfers / NIL. I believe you should be able to transfer w/o penalty if your head coach or position coach leaves the program. Outside of this, they should sit a year. This would stop 75% of this craziness. Burch should sit a year if he's transfering. If he had to sit a year, he likely wouldn't leave.

I am ok with NIL but not ok with the tampering / lack of control.
 

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I have mixed feelings on transfers / NIL. I believe you should be able to transfer w/o penalty if your head coach or position coach leaves the program. Outside of this, they should sit a year. This would stop 75% of this craziness. Burch should sit a year if he's transfering. If he had to sit a year, he likely wouldn't leave.

I am ok with NIL but not ok with the tampering / lack of control.
free agency without restrictions or penalties will not work - it will destroy the college game!
 

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I have mixed feelings on transfers / NIL. I believe you should be able to transfer w/o penalty if your head coach or position coach leaves the program. Outside of this, they should sit a year. This would stop 75% of this craziness. Burch should sit a year if he's transfering. If he had to sit a year, he likely wouldn't leave.

I am ok with NIL but not ok with the tampering / lack of control.

I believe this is also the most rational approach for transfers (of course it raises the age-old debate of whether players commit to the school or the coach). The NCAA went from one extreme to other in terms of transferring. They went from irrationally impossible to irrationally unrestricted.

I guess the only problem with allowing players to leave based on a coach leaving the program is that coaching changes can happen at any time. If a coach should bolt sometime in the spring, most teams have their rosters settled by then and and no scholarships available.

Also agree about NIL/tampering. Implementing a restriction on transfers like you suggest would more or less put an end to tampering.
 
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Look at the class coming in. His production has been average. Really wish people would let things play out and keep **** in perspective. Crazy thoughts for a message board though.
 

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I have mixed feelings on transfers / NIL. I believe you should be able to transfer w/o penalty if your head coach or position coach leaves the program. Outside of this, they should sit a year. This would stop 75% of this craziness. Burch should sit a year if he's transfering. If he had to sit a year, he likely wouldn't leave.

I am ok with NIL but not ok with the tampering / lack of control.
Why? The coach that recruited him is gone?
 

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It's quite sad really. I thought he has done well since Beamer took over, but you cannot convince me that tampering is what is causing this. It seems like doing things the "right way" doesn't cut it. It's a cut throat business now and this will only put us further behind the 8 ball. I'm not being negative, but calling it like it see it.
 

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I won't give a cent towards NIL. If we are the worst team in college so be it.

Yep, that's how I feel, and I stated in another thread earlier. If I were the richest man in the world, I wouldn't give one penny to NIL. Total waste of hard-earned money. If a player wants to otherwise work through local businesses or whatever to get NIL money, so be it. I can't imagine why any fan would ever give a penny to NIL. It's kind of pathetic, really.
 

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Seems to me that if we can’t/won’t supply NIL to be competitive then we should change our status from a power 5 school or just do away with our program. We are becoming a prep for players for other schools. It seems like we are going to be irrelevant very soon. Very depressing. I don’t see how other schools have so much money support from boosters and we do not. Seems like this has been the root of our problems all along.
 

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Onward and upward. It's a surprising move, but not crippling. He was a good player, not great. He's a rising senior and we were still waiting on him to live up to his 5* and top 10 recruit status. I'd certainly prefer it if he would have stayed here, but he's not irreplaceable.

Out of curiosity, have any Beamer high school recruits hit the portal, or are they all Muschamp high school recruits?
 
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Onward and upward. It's a surprising move, but not crippling. He was a good player, not great. He's a rising senior and we were still waiting on him to live up to his 5* and top 10 recruit status. I'd certainly prefer it if he would have stayed here, but he's not irreplaceable.

Out of curiosity, have any Beamer high school recruits hit the portal, or are they all Muschamp high school recruits?
I'm 99% confident it's all Bill Muschamp recruits.
 
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Onward and upward. It's a surprising move, but not crippling. He was a good player, not great. He's a rising senior and we were still waiting on him to live up to his 5* and top 10 recruit status. I'd certainly prefer it if he would have stayed here, but he's not irreplaceable.

Out of curiosity, have any Beamer high school recruits hit the portal, or are they all Muschamp high school recruits?
I haven't done much research but Edmonds was a freshman. He has to be a Beamer recruit (unless he was redshirt or committed to Muschamp early).
 
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It's bizarre how many obviously whacky things are going on unchecked in sports and beyond these days. If you took a random poll, you'd probably have 95%+ of the participants stating that the current NIL and portal setups are a disaster for the game. Yet a small contigent with an agenda currently holds power to overrule the majority. A disturbing trend...
 
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I haven't done much research but Edmonds was a freshman. He has to be a Beamer recruit (unless he was redshirt or committed to Muschamp early).
Edmunds transfer is not money related. He has some family complications that have been occuring throughout the year and it was well known inside the team that he would transfer once the year was over. He needed and wanted to be closer to home, so in this case NIL or greed was not a culprit. All of these moves should not be painted with the same brush.
 

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I told everyone this would be a terrible idea - NIL and open transfer. It is human nature to be greedy. We want more, easier, without going through difficulty which produces character. We leave marriages for upgrades all the time. Left up to my own devices, I fall for the road more easily travelled. I’m just glad the Lord or anyone else has never offered me millions of dollars to exchange my loyalties.
 

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It's bizarre how many obviously whacky things are going on unchecked in sports and beyond these days. If you took a random poll, you'd probably have 95%+ of the participants stating that the current NIL and portal setups are a disaster for the game. Yet a small contigent with an agenda currently holds power to overrule the majority. A disturbing trend...
It's the Marist way!🤪
 

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Could be wrong
Edmunds transfer is not money related. He has some family complications that have been occuring throughout the year and it was well known inside the team that he would transfer once the year was over. He needed and wanted to be closer to home, so in this case NIL or greed was not a culprit. All of these moves should not be painted with the same brush.
Agreed.
 

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I don't know if it's coincidence or what, but there seems to be a thread of discontent among former Muschamp players. Bell has openly recruited Edmond, Lloyd and now Burch to FSU, though we know Burch is headed to Oregon.

Burch, in particular, just doesn't make a lot of sense. Hometown kid. Playing for the hometown school. One year left. And he goes to the opposite coast? I don't know what his NIL money will be at Oregon, but it won't be millions of dollars. However much it is will be a drop in the bucket versus what he'll eventually make in the NFL. Unless, of course, he's not confident about his NFL future, so he's taking the Oregon money as a backup in case he doesn't make it.

Portal + NIL is designed to prey upon these "kids" making short-sighted decisions.

Maybe he's going to Oregon for the cheerleaders.
 
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I told everyone this would be a terrible idea - NIL and open transfer. It is human nature to be greedy. We want more, easier, without going through difficulty which produces character. We leave marriages for upgrades all the time. Left up to my own devices, I fall for the road more easily travelled. I’m just glad the Lord or anyone else has never offered me millions of dollars to exchange my loyalties.
Many of us have said the same. I like college football. But if NIL kills it, so be it. The schools with alumni with the deepest pockets can dominate. But, I for one will be done with it. The NFL can just draft them out of high school. and save the colleges money.
 
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Edmunds transfer is not money related. He has some family complications that have been occuring throughout the year and it was well known inside the team that he would transfer once the year was over. He needed and wanted to be closer to home, so in this case NIL or greed was not a culprit. All of these moves should not be painted with the same brush.
I can believe it but he's supposedly down to LSU, FSU and UF. LSU is further from home and FSU is about as far as we are. So if he doesn't end up at UF then there's obviously more to it.
 
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