Juice Injury

[Deleted11512]

Anybody catch this from Logg??

“It’s been a process. He’s overcoming an injury that most people–99% of the world–wouldn’t be back from. He’s done a great job, he’s ready to get out there and he’s hungry.”

WTF...an injury that 99% of the world wouldn't be back from?? Jeebus that doesn't sound good. This whole thing has been very strange. There's video of his workout he did down in Miami during the summer. Not sure if something happened there or when he got back. But he certainly wasn't injured then.

 

[Maccmaine12]

Anybody catch this from Logg??

“It’s been a process. He’s overcoming an injury that most people–99% of the world–wouldn’t be back from. He’s done a great job, he’s ready to get out there and he’s hungry.”

WTF...an injury that 99% of the world wouldn't be back from?? Jeebus that doesn't sound good. This whole thing has been very strange. There's video of his workout he did down in Miami during the summer. Not sure if something happened there or when he got back. But he certainly wasn't injured then.

Yea but considering the snaps he got the last two games and also the facts that juice told him that he’s locking in so he know what to do is positive signs. I can see him playing more snaps with more involvement. Hopefully AB is back as well

 

[Bubba Fett]

Yea but considering the snaps he got the last two games and also the facts that juice told him that he’s locking in so he know what to do is positive signs. I can see him playing more snaps with more involvement. Hopefully AB is back as well

I thought they already said that AB was out?

 

[Deleted11512]

I thought they already said that AB was out?

He is. Looking for a big game from Lewis.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Shades of Muschamp going on with the vague explanation of Juice's injury.

 

[92Pony]

Shades of Muschamp going on with the vague explanation of Juice's injury.

Exact vibe I get <shudder>... (And yeah, yeah, yeah....CSB doesn't have to tell us anything/doesn't owe us anything, blah, blah....)

But yeah, I caught that line from DL.....yikes. Did his foot fall off or something?

 

[Deleted11512]

Exact vibe I get <shudder>... (And yeah, yeah, yeah....CSB doesn't have to tell us anything/doesn't owe us anything, blah, blah....)

But yeah, I caught that line from DL.....yikes. Did his foot fall off or something?

Hearing it was a foot transplant. Working to verify.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Exact vibe I get <shudder>... (And yeah, yeah, yeah....CSB doesn't have to tell us anything/doesn't owe us anything, blah, blah....)

But yeah, I caught that line from DL.....yikes. Did his foot fall off or something?

I guess some of it is gamesmanship and not wanting UGA to know whether he's gonna be able to play or not, but it's frustrating to hear the same thing week in, week out. "Juice is coming along. He's doing more and more each day in practice and we fully expect him to play on Saturday". Then he turns out to be a non-factor. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

 

[Deleted11512]

I guess some of it is gamesmanship and not wanting UGA to know whether he's gonna be able to play or not, but it's frustrating to hear the same thing week in, week out. "Juice is coming along. He's doing more and more each day in practice and we fully expect him to play on Saturday". Then he turns out to be a non-factor. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Until Beamer says "Juice Wells is 100%", or Juice shows on the field he's back, I'm not going to expect anything from him. One thing I was thinking about is how this impacts NIL. Juice has been racking up the deals. If I was on the hook for a deal with him I'd be pissed if I found out he was injured the whole time. Especially if it renders him ineffective for a large portion of the year.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Until Beamer says "Juice Wells is 100%", or Juice shows on the field he's back, I'm not going to expect anything from him. One thing I was thinking about is how this impacts NIL. Juice has been racking up the deals. If I was on the hook for a deal with him I'd be pissed if I found out he was injured the whole time. Especially if it renders him ineffective for a large portion of the year.

Before the Furman game Beamer said he was 90%. Then he had 1 catch for 5 yards. Either he's a bust or he's injured way worse than they want to let on.

 

[Spinal Tap]

It's wait and see again.

I'm not expecting any clarification or new information before the game.

 

[Deleted11512]

Before the Furman game Beamer said he was 90%. Then he had 1 catch for 5 yards. Either he's a bust or he's injured way worse than they want to let on.

He said Juice told him he's 90%. Doesn't mean that's reality. I also saw Juice get put on his *** on a block, which is uncharacteristic.

 

[bayrooster]

Anybody catch this from Logg??

“It’s been a process. He’s overcoming an injury that most people–99% of the world–wouldn’t be back from. He’s done a great job, he’s ready to get out there and he’s hungry.”

WTF...an injury that 99% of the world wouldn't be back from?? Jeebus that doesn't sound good. This whole thing has been very strange. There's video of his workout he did down in Miami during the summer. Not sure if something happened there or when he got back. But he certainly wasn't injured then.

Ok, WTH is the injury he's talking about?! I thought it was a foot injury, something literally everyone has come back from.

 

[Deleted11512]

Ok, WTH is the injury he's talking about?! I thought it was a foot injury, something literally everyone has come back from.

Tis the question. My guess is we'll find out after the season. I can see not wanting to tell exactly what it is b/c opposing teams might zero in on it. You'll notice Beamer has no problems saying "he's got a hammy". If I'm a defender, and I know he's got a shaky left knee (for example), that knee is going to get some extra attention from me.

 

[USCBatgirl21]

Ok, WTH is the injury he's talking about?! I thought it was a foot injury, something literally everyone has come back from.

It really depends on the type of foot injury. I only broke my 5th metatarsal, but I certainly can't do all the things I did before, even 5 years later.
And I've now developed chronic pain in the former break area. So there's that.

 

[Maccmaine12]

I thought they already said that AB was out?

I thought they already said that AB was out?

no he’s questionable. I think he have a chance to play. Hopefully

 

[Deleted11512]

I thought they already said that AB was out?

no he’s questionable. I think he have a chance to play. Hopefully

That’s out multiple games in Beamer speak.

 

[Deleted11512]

Beamer says Juice is “full go”.

Any concerns he won’t be full go? “Zero”

 

[Rogue Cock]

Shades of Muschamp going on with the vague explanation of Juice's injury.

HIPAA issues also….don’t think they waive that.

 

[Bubba Fett]

HIPAA issues also….don’t think they waive that.

HIPAA has absolutely nothing to do with it.

 

[Deleted11512]

HIPAA issues also….don’t think they waive that.

HIPPA doesn’t apply bc it’s school employed trainers and doctors that are not billing the student athlete or the student athlete’s insurance plan. If Juice was injured and treated outside of the care of USC trainers, and was cared for by a private physician that he had to pay for, then that would be protected by HIPPA.

Furthermore, Beamer is not a healthcare provider, which is what HIPPA covers. It doesn’t matter how Beamer got info, if he has it he can tell whoever he wants. Obviously he wouldn’t want to violate trust of his player, but there are no HIPPA protections for athletes when it comes to a coach talking about their injuries being cared for by university trainers.

A few years ago Jason Pierre-Paul had to have a finger amputated due to a fireworks mishap. He didn’t tell the Giants. Adam Schefter got ahold of his medical chart and posted it on twitter. Schefter didn’t violate anything, the healthcare “professional” that gave it to him did.

 

[bayrooster]

HIPAA issues also….don’t think they waive that.

Player can consent to have that info out.

 

[Rogue Cock]

Player can consent to have that info out.

Yes, I know.

 

[Rogue Cock]

HIPPA doesn’t apply bc it’s school employed trainers and doctors that are not billing the student athlete or the student athlete’s insurance plan. If Juice was injured and treated outside of the care of USC trainers, and was cared for by a private physician that he had to pay for, then that would be protected by HIPPA.

Furthermore, Beamer is not a healthcare provider, which is what HIPPA covers. It doesn’t matter how Beamer got info, if he has it he can tell whoever he wants. Obviously he wouldn’t want to violate trust of his player, but there are no HIPPA protections for athletes when it comes to a coach talking about their injuries being cared for by university trainers.

A few years ago Jason Pierre-Paul had to have a finger amputated due to a fireworks mishap. He didn’t tell the Giants. Adam Schefter got ahold of his medical chart and posted it on twitter. Schefter didn’t violate anything, the healthcare “professional” that gave it to him did.

The school is the health care provider and Beamer works for the school. Whether it is billed or not means squat.

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

Something squirrelly happened. There is way to much strategery going on with this “lower body injury” that was required surgery.

 

[Deleted11512]

The school is the health care provider and Beamer works for the school. Whether it is billed or not means squat.

I don’t think it’s that cut and dry.

 

[Rogue Cock]

I don’t think it’s that cut and dry.

Read the definitional section in the Heath Privacy Act.

 

[Forkcock]

It really depends on the type of foot injury. I only broke my 5th metatarsal, but I certainly can't do all the things I did before, even 5 years later.
And I've now developed chronic pain in the former break area. So there's that.

Same here. It's been about 5 years. Still hurts, some days worse than others.

 

[18IsTheMan]

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[USCBatgirl21]

HIPPA doesn’t apply bc it’s school employed trainers and doctors that are not billing the student athlete or the student athlete’s insurance plan. If Juice was injured and treated outside of the care of USC trainers, and was cared for by a private physician that he had to pay for, then that would be protected by HIPPA.

Furthermore, Beamer is not a healthcare provider, which is what HIPPA covers. It doesn’t matter how Beamer got info, if he has it he can tell whoever he wants. Obviously he wouldn’t want to violate trust of his player, but there are no HIPPA protections for athletes when it comes to a coach talking about their injuries being cared for by university trainers.

A few years ago Jason Pierre-Paul had to have a finger amputated due to a fireworks mishap. He didn’t tell the Giants. Adam Schefter got ahold of his medical chart and posted it on twitter. Schefter didn’t violate anything, the healthcare “professional” that gave it to him did.

Actually he can’t. Just as my HR director can’t release any information about my health that she may be aware of. Just as I can’t release any medical information about my clients I may be aware of. Same basic principle. If the athlete does not give permission for the information to be released it cannot be, regardless of who knows about it at the University. When you sign a HIPPA release the information can only be released to the individual(s) noted. However those individuals are then bound by HIPPA as well.

The analogy you offer really does not apply to Beamer since he’s an agent of the University. It would only apply if someone in the press somehow got hold of Juice’s records.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If releasing a players injury status is a violation of HIPAA, then college coaches have been egregiously guilty of publicly violating it for decades, lol. Dozens of them have violated it jus this year alone. Beamer included. Where are the lawsuits???

HIPAA is quite clear that covered entities are: health care plans, health care clearinghouses and health care providers. HIPAA privacy rules only apply to covered entities. FERPA is not an issue either.

If a coach doesn't release a player's injury status it's either b/c they don't know yet or it's gamesmanship.

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

Seemingly Beamer has been down playing in an effort to not harm his NFL draft status. Problem is you can’t pretend away non participation.

 

[Slim Chickens Gamecock]

I’m about 90% injured all the time.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Seemingly Beamer has been down playing in an effort to not harm his NFL draft status. Problem is you can’t pretend away non participation.

NFL teams aren't that dumb. Besides, I think full disclosure is required for the NFL anyway since being healthy is part of employment status.

 

[Deleted11512]

Actually he can’t. Just as my HR director can’t release any information about my health that she may be aware of. Just as I can’t release any medical information about my clients I may be aware of. Same basic principle. If the athlete does not give permission for the information to be released it cannot be, regardless of who knows about it at the University. When you sign a HIPPA release the information can only be released to the individual(s) noted. However those individuals are then bound by HIPPA as well.

The analogy you offer really does not apply to Beamer since he’s an agent of the University. It would only apply if someone in the press somehow got hold of Juice’s records.

Health info your employer has isn't protected by HIPAA. You could sue them, but they're not going to get tagged with a HIPAA violation.

 

[Deleted11512]

Seemingly Beamer has been down playing in an effort to not harm his NFL draft status. Problem is you can’t pretend away non participation.

Or maybe NIL opportunities? But don't tell me he's "good to go" and he has 1 catch and one other target through 2 games. Or you can tell me, but I ain't buying it.

 

[USCBatgirl21]

Health info your employer has isn't protected by HIPAA. You could sue them, but they're not going to get tagged with a HIPAA violation.

It is in that they cannot release that information to other parties without your permission. That is where the violation would occur, same with me and my clients' information. I literally do this for a living.

But honestly what all this boils down to is that most fans are just pissed off because they feel like they deserve to know what's going on. When in reality, they really don't.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Health info your employer has isn't protected by HIPAA. You could sue them, but they're not going to get tagged with a HIPAA violation.

Right. Once the information is provided to the coach (and it obviously has to be), he can release it without violating HIPAA. Football coaches are not covered entities. I do think there is an exception if a player is receiving therapy for mental health. But in any other scenario there is no misunderstanding that the coaches are not covered entities. That is very clear from HIPAA. The team doctor is also not a covered entity if he does not bill the player for services.

This is why college coaches have been disclosing details of player injuries for decades.

HIPAA is obviously not an obstacle. If it were coaches would be saying "I'm not at liberty to disclose that information." Certain entities practice as if they are subject to HIPAA restrictions simply to err on the side of caution.

 

[Deleted11512]

It is in that they cannot release that information to other parties without your permission. That is where the violation would occur, same with me and my clients' information. I literally do this for a living.

But honestly what all this boils down to is that most fans are just pissed off because they feel like they deserve to know what's going on. When in reality, they really don't.

I'm just looking at the HHS guidance that states the below. I'm sure there are other DOL issues that would arise with releasing it. HIPAA falls under HHS, and they say it's not protected. But I do like learning about things, especially things like this that could potentially impact me at some point. So if you know of something contradictory to what the HHS says about it that would be interesting...not trying to argue the point. I'm sure it violates some statute, just maybe not hipaa?

Employers and Health Information in the Workplace​

The Privacy Rule controls how a health plan or a covered health care provider shares your protected health information with an employer.

Employment Records​

The Privacy Rule does not protect your employment records, even if the information in those records is health-related. In most cases, the Privacy Rule does not apply to the actions of an employer.
If you work for a health plan or a covered health care provider:

• The Privacy Rule does not apply to your employment records.
• The Rule does protect your medical or health plan records if you are a patient of the provider or a member of the health plan.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm just looking at the HHS guidance that states the below. I'm sure there are other DOL issues that would arise with releasing it. HIPAA falls under HHS, and they say it's not protected. But I do like learning about things, especially things like this that could potentially impact me at some point. So if you know of something contradictory to what the HHS says about it that would be interesting...not trying to argue the point. I'm sure it violates some statute, just maybe not hipaa?

Employers and Health Information in the Workplace​

The Privacy Rule controls how a health plan or a covered health care provider shares your protected health information with an employer.

Employment Records​

The Privacy Rule does not protect your employment records, even if the information in those records is health-related. In most cases, the Privacy Rule does not apply to the actions of an employer.
If you work for a health plan or a covered health care provider:

• The Privacy Rule does not apply to your employment records.
• The Rule does protect your medical or health plan records if you are a patient of the provider or a member of the health plan.

Right. It's not confusing.