Just One More Example of the Insanity in CFB

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While I don’t like the results of the supreme court’s decision , I don’t disagree with that decision. Up to the NCAA and schools to come up with a fair and equatable way to proceed
Justice Kavanaugh's concurring opinion pretty much gutted the NCAA of any authority to do anything with regards to the NIL. You now have 51 different jurisdictions trying to deal with it.....Congress and the states.
 

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Justice Kavanaugh's concurring opinion pretty much gutted the NCAA of any authority to do anything with regards to the NIL. You now have 51 different jurisdictions trying to deal with it.....Congress and the states.
I don’t think it’s fair to blame Kavanaugh. More fair to blame the system that brought all of this on. It’s been an elephant in the room for quite a while.
 

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Justice Kavanaugh's concurring opinion pretty much gutted the NCAA of any authority to do anything with regards to the NIL. You now have 51 different jurisdictions trying to deal with it.....Congress and the states.
Kavanaugh might have wound up being the lynchpin. Newsom seems to have been the catalyst of this process in my estimation.
 

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I don’t think it’s fair to blame Kavanaugh. More fair to blame the system that brought all of this on. It’s been an elephant in the room for quite a while.
Gorsuch's opinion pretty much just upheld the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in the case. Kavanaugh took it several steps further...pretty much gutting the NCAA's ability to regulate the NIL issue and....worse IMO...inviting student athletes to begin collective bargaining against the univerisities and the NCAA as unfairly underpaid "workers" (i.e. employees). That was too far and deserved a collective "oh, sh#$!!!"
 

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Gorsuch's opinion pretty much just upheld the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in the case. Kavanaugh took it several steps further...pretty much gutting the NCAA's ability to regulate the NIL issue and....worse IMO...inviting student athletes to begin collective bargaining against the univerisities and the NCAA as unfairly underpaid "workers" (i.e. employees). That was too far and deserved a collective "oh, sh#$!!!"
Would you feel that way if you were an athlete? I don’t like the results of the decision. I recognize the athletes side of things. As I’ve said, up to the NCAA and schools to find a way to deal with it
 
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Would you feel that way if you were an athlete? I don’t like the results of the decision. I recognize the athletes side of things. As I’ve said, up to the NCAA and schools to find a way to deal with it
I'm not sure. Many professions have bars and hurdles one has to get over before you are able to practice or participate in the profession. Many of the schools and institutions, as well as the professors and instructors, earn a lot of money teaching those students. The students in those programs do not have the right to participate in the revenues recieved.....even in laboratory settings where a student may be directly involved in creating a product or procedure that makes a lot of money for the school.

I always looked at college athletics in a similar fashion. It simply provides a training ground for those who wish to pursue a professional athletic career. Perhaps there should be a more direct path instead of solely relying on the amateur path. Perhaps the Court should have instead struck down the age limitations of the NFL and NBA and provided a more direct path. You don't have to play college sports to play MLB. "Enter at your own risk" type of situation.

Kavanaugh got caught up in the anti-trust issues that the NCAA has long had certain level of protection from (from the Congress and the Courts)....and got tunnel-vision intent on destroying that protection. He did what no Justice should....let his personal beliefs and emotions get involved instead of following a fairly long history of legal precedent. This is a classic example of legislating from the bench.
 
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I'm not sure. Many professions have bars and hurdles one has to get over before you are able to practice or participate in the profession. Many of the schools and institutions, as well as the professors and instructors, earn a lot of money teaching those students. The students in those programs do not have the right to participate in the revenues recieved.....even in laboratory settings where a student may be directly involved in creating a product or procedure that makes a lot of money for the school.

I always looked at college athletics in a similar fashion. It simply provides a training ground for those who wish to pursue a professional athletic career. Perhaps there should be a more direct path instead of solely relying on the amateur path. Perhaps the Court should have instead struck down the age limitations of the NFL and NBA and provided a more direct path. You don't have to play college sports to play MLB. "Enter at your own risk" type of situation.

Kavanaugh got caught up in the anti-trust issues that the NCAA has long had certain level of protection from (from the Congress and the Courts)....and got tunnel-vision intent on destroying that protection. He did what no Justice should....let his personal beliefs and emotions get involved instead of following a fairly long history of legal precedent. This is a classic example of legislating from the bench.
Are you not projecting? Could it be he made a decision based on the information in front of him?
 

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Are you not projecting? Could it be he made a decision based on the information in front of him?
No...read his opinion. I posted it in this or another recent thread. It is clearly obvious where his personal feelings lie.

I disagreed with Gorsuch as I did the 9th Circuit, but their decisions didn't leave me thinking "WOW!" Kavanaugh brought up issues that weren't even in front of the 9th circuit such as the inability of the NCAA \ to place reasonable rules and regulations on NILs and also bringing up the employment status of student-athletes....implying several times that they were workers/employeees, and their ability to collectively bargain for a "fair" wage based on what the NCAA and the universities recieve....that is far removed from the NIL issue, but it is now in play.
 
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This is from Sports Talk. I don't care whose site it's from. Look at this dad's thoughts.

USC offered OG Keyshawn Blackstock (6-5 315) of Coffeyville JC, KS and Covington, GA on November 2nd and immediately became a major player for a player regarded by some as the top interior offensive lineman available in junior college this recruiting season. Blackstock included the Gamecocks in his top 12 and took an official visit the weekend of November 16th.


After the visit, Blackstock spoke highly of Shane Beamer and offensive line coaches Greg Adkins and Lonnie Teasley. He said relationships with the coaches was a big part of his decision. But the Gamecocks did not make his top five which he released earlier this week. He settled on Oregon, Southern Cal, Michigan State, Oklahoma and Tennessee.


NIL opportunities are important to Blackstock in the recruiting process, and according to his father, what USC showed him in that area did not match up with the competition.


“He’s not necessarily all about money. He’s not one of those kids,” Keith Blackstock said earlier in the week before his son released his to five. “You’ve got all these schools offering all these opportunities, and you’ve got South Carolina that’s literally at the bottom of the whole crop when it comes to what they can offer a kid. It kind of sucks, you know. It may be a great school. It ain’t about money, but one injury and you can never play football again. That’s one of the things at South Carolina, they don’t really have opportunities like some of the other schools do. NIL stuff. NIL opportunities.”


Schools have been warned by the NCAA that using NIL as a recruiting tool is forbidden.


“Other people are using that as a recruiting tool,” Keith Blackstock said. “I’m not downing anyone. He did like South Carolina a lot. Other schools are offering opportunities for it and giving you examples. South Carolina just doesn’t have those things. It’s nothing against them. Other schools are using that as a recruiting tool, and me, personally, I don’t think that should be done. Nothing is guaranteed. With any kid, you can’t really guarantee them NIL money, but they just give them examples of people who played their position or who was their size, something that can resemble that kid that gives them some intimate idea. That’s some of the other schools whole selling point. It’s not Keyshawn’s selling point, but when you have a coach that he really likes and then they bring that up, it looks good. But the main thing with Keyshawn though is depth chart. He’s more concerned about a depth chart than anything else. Even if you’re offering him two million, if he doesn’t get to play, what is two-million dollars? But because he is who he is, he knows that football isn’t guaranteed. He knows the chance of going to the NFL is slim, and you want to be compensated. He wants help his mom out. He just wants to be in a position to take care of his family. I told him he shouldn’t have to think like that, but he wants to.”


Keyshawn Blackstock has taken official visits to Illinois, USC and Michigan State. His father said he is going to try to visit Oregon or Oklahoma before making a final decision next week.
I recently looked at Garnet Trust - and wondered why they don't offer like an even more lesser option for fans. I realize that $10 a month may be .10 cents to some or a penny to others.

Some diehard fans aren't in the best financial situations that would probably contribute if given other options. We don't know all situations and I just think it's a neat idea to give everyone an opportunity no matter how big or small. We could have small and big donors which in the in adds up! Just a thought...
 

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No...read his opinion. I posted it in this or another recent thread. It is clearly obvious where his personal feelings lie.

I disagreed with Gorsuch as I did the 9th Circuit, but their decisions didn't leave me thinking "WOW!" Kavanaugh brought up issues that weren't even in front of the 9th circuit such as the inability of the NCAA \ to place reasonable rules and regulations on NILs and also bringing up the employment status of student-athletes....implying several times that they were workers/employeees, and their ability to collectively bargain for a "fair" wage based on what the NCAA and the universities recieve....that is far removed from the NIL issue, but it is now in play.
Leave it to me to get into a legal debate with an attorney. Not smart. After seeing the hard to believe vitriol aimed at him by democrats during the confirmation hearing, the dox, the harrasment of him and his family at their home and the assasination attempt, I am going to support him and anyone else who received such treatment
 

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Leave it to me to get into a legal debate with an attorney. Not smart. After seeing the hard to believe vitriol aimed at him by democrats during the confirmation hearing, the dox, the harrasment of him and his family at their home and the assasination attempt, I am going to support him and anyone else who received such treatment
I still say NCAA and schools have to and soon will come up with a fair solution.
 

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They capped scholarship, they could cap NIL per school. They won’t but they could.

No, they can't.

NIL is not administered by any schools.

Players are not school employees.

A cap cannot be implemented without employees and collective bargaining.

There are multiple reasons why NIL cannot be capped.
 
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1. Anyone who "Just wants to be able to take care of their family" should probably either, get a job, or be more concerned about getting a degree to help you get a better paying job and you don't have to worry about getting injured.

2. If you want to see examples of the kind of opportunity to make money in NIL that info is public and you see on this site for free that Rattler's NIL deals are worth about 850k. Not shabby.

3. A lot of these NIL deals are shams. Some of them pay monthly and all of sudden the money stops coming in after the team starts losing or the player isn't playing well, or they just don't feel like paying any more because its not being regulated.
I imagine there's a contract regarding an individual NIL which would address payments.
 

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Since I started this thread I thought I'd provide a FWIW update. Kid is going to Mich. St. He might want a deal on personal winter clothing.
 
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