Just throwing this out there....

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I know small ball is Cohen's strategy with this team but had he stuck with that strategy none of us would have been able to view that inspirational walk-off HR today. Cohen was going to bunt in that situation, take the bat out of one our better power hitters, but 1B coach suggested giving Nick one strike. Nick knew he had one swing and took advantage of it. I know every one on this board is damn glad that he let Vickerson swing in that situation.

I know small ball is part of the game and with these sorry *** bats, has become a bigger part of the game, but the coaching staff has taken the bat out of our hitters hands a ton of times this year. Sometimes it's worked and sometimes it hasn't but one thing is for certain, every time a bunt is laid down, there is no chance for an extra base hit. I'm not saying stop playing small ball all together, but be more of a balanced attack. Maybe he'll change his thinking some before next season and allow some more swinging after this game today.
 

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Cohen's and staff's strategy was to take the bunt off and let him swing- but they are still wrong. Riiiiiiiiiight

How bout Cohen and staff pulling Routt when they did? Any credit for that? Or were they wrong but right there too?
 

RougeDawg

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is a ****** post. It was 1B coaches recommendation to take bunt off and let him swing and thank God he suggested that.

Great move on bringing Reed in. It shut them down and they didn't hit many hard balls after that. Great move not going with John's first call and bunting Vickerson. Exactly my point.

Answer me this: If he'd bunted Nick in that situation, would he have hit that walk off HR?
 

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RougeDawg said:
Answer me this: If he'd bunted Nick in that situation, would he have hit that walk off HR?
What the hell kind of question is that? If Cohen would have chosen to bunt, which he didn't, it could have turned out differently. But he didn't choose to bunt with the pitcher that was put in. You're problem is with Cohen's thought process before choosing not to bunt? Your problem is with Cohen's listening to an assistant that he hired to give such advice? Give it a rest, Polk.<div>

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Nobody of no coach is perfect. Being a MSU fan has shown us all that. I'm just saying that you cannot small ball all the time when you have hitters like Vickerson, Bradford, Parks and to some extent Ogden. You give away outs and those guys have potential for extra base hits and by sac bunting on first pitch you take the bats out of their hands. I'm glad, as everyone else it, that they let Nick hit today. Small ball is good in certain situations with your lesser hitters, but I dont agree with taking the bat out of your best and hottest hitters hands in that situation.

I'm very happy that Cohen didn't small ball Vickerson today and hope he does more of it in the future. Some of our hitters can Bop with the big boys if we let them. But bunting will never send a souvenir into the stands. And he made a great call bringing in Reed and shutting them down. I just think we should allow our best hitters an opportunity to hit instead of sac bunting. Not only does it save outs, it also makes the pitchers throw more pitches, thus limiting their action. We were sac bunting early in the game only down 1-0. Let the game develop before you start giving up outs.
 

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You are obviously confused good sir. The biggest problem with what you are saying is that you are NOT "stating what actually took place" in the game. What actually took place is Cohen dicided to give Nick one strike. The 1B coach made no such decision since he doesn't get paid to make those type of decisions. It is very important that you don't get those 2 confused since it is a direct reflection of what type of Head Coach we have.Cohensdecision to give Nick a strike at the advice of one of his assistants tells us 2 things about the type of coachhe is. Number 1 he trust his staff and number 2 he's not so hard headed that he thinks he is always right.

You admit that pulling Routt and bringing in Reed was a "Great move" don't you think he talked with Butch before making that decision? I guess that means we should give Butch the credit for putting Reed in right?

And who wanted these coaches as his assistants anyway? Give a little credit to Cohen for surrounding himself with good coaches.

I certainly don't agree with every decision Cohen makes(not that it matters), but I do believe all game decisions that are made are ultimately his decisions since he is the head coach. I'm sure there have been times when assistants coaches have tried to get him to change his mind and he wouldn't. I'm also sure that some of those times he made the wrong decision and sometimes he made the right decision. You just hope that he is right more than he is wrong and if so he will probably win a bunch of games and make a bunch of money. If not then eventually he will be looking for another job.
 

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The more you try to explain yourself, the more you look like a 17'ing tool.

IF bullfrogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their *** when they hopped. </p>
 

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In 2003, the same thing happened in the regionals. Bottom of 10th, man on first, M. Maniscalco up @ bat. While he didn't have the best batting average, he was the hottest hitter @ the time. Polk took the bat out of his hands w/a sac bunt, then Brinson & somebody else got out, & we were eliminated.

This time, Cohen kept the bat in the hands of our best hitter this postseason.
 

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"Answer me this: If he'd bunted Nick in that situation, would he have hit that walk off HR?"
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why would you even say that? You must be living in a negative world! Get a sticker on your bumper "**** happens"!
 

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and cheering when something good happens and being supportive when things don't always work out. Otherwise, your head is going to explode. You are trying to do Level 5 calculus with a second grade level math ability.
 

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gotten us to within one game of Omaha with a group of players that most would agree is not the most talented that we have had at MSU. While Nick's HR was great, he could have just as easily hit into a double play and then everyone would be screaming "why didn't we bunt?". The bottom line is that some times these things work out and some times they don't and you just try to make the best decision you can at the time you have to make it and then move on.
 
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Quit bitching. The talent's only getting better, and so will the results.
 

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his strategy to let Vickerson swing in that situation? He had originally stated that he wanted him to bunt, but decided to let him swing. So therefore he changed his strategy. Correct? So your point that he doesn't change his strategy is invalid.