Kirby vs Beamer in recruiting
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Sorry, couldn't resist. After swooping in to steal Montgomery and then flipping Earls and almost certainly landing Bryce Davis, this is how it feels at the moment.
You are so predictable. Are you a W-2 employee for taternet or do they 1099 you?
It’s hard not to when every other thread round the clock is posted by you with a jab at any and everything Gamecocks. But it’s entertaining during the slow season so keep up your “fandom” ….gives me something to laugh about. Heck, I even give you a like every now and then.Only half as predictable as you waiting to reply to one of my posts...
It's hard not to feel that way. But I can't blame Beamer. We just aren't in UGA's league.
We need to focus on competing with the likes of UK, and hopefully Clemson if they keep falling.
I don't even feel like 18stheman is a veiled traitor. I just feel like he's commenting real time on actual events, state of the program comings and goings and conversational topics. It ain't pretty (often)....but many of us expected to be exactly where we are at right now.
Yes. Whenever we have a recruiting win, I'll be here talking about that as well.
That has my vote. Plus, he sometimes single handedly carries the board when it's dead.
18 is simply stating the truth. I'd rather be told the truth than be lied to and thus have unrealistic expectations.
People are going to disagree. But facts are facts. If it was lying, that's one thing. But even then it just could be a mistake, nothing on purpose.
People are going to disagree. But facts are facts. If it was lying, that's one thing. But even then it just could be a mistake, nothing on purpose.
Nothing like having 6 or 7 new threads every day.That has my vote. Plus, he sometimes single handedly carries the board when it's dead.
I hope Clemson falls. But right now, their class is 7th in the nation and number one in their conference.
Gives me something to read. A couple more WBB threads and I'll have to find a new home.Nothing like having 6 or 7 new threads every day.
Wait, is 18 also you, and also jacque and also me?????
(Just kidding, inside joke)
You mean real time events such “the lady cougars from Podunk U have more championships in lacrosse than we have in football. But I guess that’s to be expected due to us being in a tougher league. Their coach is a great recruiter.”
Like those types of riveting news flashes?
You’re totally missing the point. You got to be pretty miserable to post things in the dead of summer like Mack Brown owns the state of North Carolina. They beat us last year….big deal…..they suck still in a soft conference. We beat them in a bowl game? Wow.. 18 is probably the most miserable fan we have if he is indeed a fan. But he does keep the board going, so I guess we have that.
If every post you make is a woe is me post about a team you supposedly like, maybe you should find another team
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Feel free to pay to complain for me.. and I’m not complaining I think he’s comical. I think in today’s time anyone that thinks they’re paying for inside information is being duped. Maybe I should give to help with the NIL so these poor high school students can make a bunch of money to not play for any particular college.
You’re mistaken if you interpret my posts as “woe is me.” I simply post about what’s going on at the moment. Good things and bad things. We just happen to be stuck in a period where there’s not a lot of good news coming out.
I will be the first one to post when there is good news.
I'm happy to be on a site where everything posted is not hunkydory because that's not the real world, at least not the world I live in.
I'm glad the mods have given a longer leash on this site and don't just delete every thread that isn't 100% optimistic and don't ban every poster who dares to post negative (but true) things. As you say, the real world has both good and bad to discuss. I feel like I discuss the Gamecocks here as though I were chatting about them over lunch with a fellow Gamecock fan. In the real world friends would express both their pleasure and frustration, so why not here?
I have posted PLENTY of positive/good things. It's just that lately, particularly with recruiting, there isn't much good news to go around.
Definitely not when compared to the # negative threads, LOL, You tend to jump or are super quick on the negative and start threads about that and not so quick about starting threads on the positive things imho, but as a South Carolina fan who again just my opinion at some level has some unresolved mixed loyalties (attended Clemson) and conveniently doesn't like or follow our best sports, that probably is to be expected.
It's not Beamer. Our program has been more or less the same for a half century.
Definitely not when compared to the # negative threads, LOL, You tend to jump or are super quick on the negative and start threads about that and not so quick about starting threads on the positive things imho, but as a South Carolina fan who again just my opinion at some level has some unresolved mixed loyalties (attended Clemson) and conveniently doesn't like or follow our best sports, that probably is to be expected.
You're obviously taking a snapshot in time. As an example, I started the very first thread (or at least one of) to say that Nyck Harbor had committed to us. Pretty sure that was also the case for Stewart. It's been a while but I also "broke" the news on the forum about Stockton committing way back when that happened. More recently, I have also posted a VERY positive/optimistic thread about Sellers, but was been told by others not to get my hopes about him. When there are good things to post, I jump on them with equal or greater quickness.
It has just been a good long while since we had much good to post about. Should they just shut the forums down until there's good news to talk about?
To your latter point, I have no unresolved/mixed emotions towards Clemson, lol. I have full loyalty to the Department of Biological Sciences at Clemson. I enjoyed my time there. Made great friends, have gone back to visit colleagues, and have fond memories of the school. I was there for graduate school, not to watch football games. And, I did not "attend" Clemson. I graduated from Clemson. Twice. Yes, it may come as a shock, but I made a big boy grown up decision based on academics and finances and not football. What fool bases a life decision on who their favorite football team is?
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I'm all over the place on Beamer. I can argue that he should be let go after this year if we don't make a bowl or that we should give him a full decade (and I have argued both, lol).
I guess he seems like a nice guy, really seems to want to be here and so I want him to be successful. But winning is the bottom line, not being nice and liking it here.
I take that as another vote to stop the 5 year coaching rotation and give something different a try.
If we try 10 years it will be the same with one coach instead of two. Or maybe the cycle is broken with success.
There’s only like 12 people that post new threads on FGF anymore. 18istheman is one of the few that keeps conversations going on this mostly dead site
The current recruiting rankings:
On3 .... National 27 - SEC 12 (and behind Clemson)
Rivals...National 41 - SEC 13 (and behind Clemson)
247.......National 35 - SEC 12 (and behind Clemson)
Beamer needs to pick that up, to say the obvious. I get the comment that our program has been mostly mediocre forever. No disagreement from me. However, Beamer's recruiting has lagged Muschamp's, Spurrier's and Holtz'. And he was hired because of some magical recruiting ability he supposedly had. I guess that we can blame NIL. Yet, a recent post on NIL 2024 Team Value found only Texas, Georgia and Alabama to be far and away from us in the SEC. It makes me speculate that we don't know the whole story about the recent dismissal of the Recruiting Coordinator.
I also get that the 2024 schedule is VERY difficult. But Beamer is going to have to pull off 2-3 upsets. If not, 2025 will be "do or die" for him. I know some people will say "No way". But if Clemson has the kind of season some think (supposedly their defense might be "All World'), the pressure will be enormous. I will dread to see what our next year's recruiting will look like if this season is a disaster.
On3 .... National 27 - SEC 12 (and behind Clemson)
Rivals...National 41 - SEC 13 (and behind Clemson)
247.......National 35 - SEC 12 (and behind Clemson)
Beamer needs to pick that up, to say the obvious. I get the comment that our program has been mostly mediocre forever. No disagreement from me. However, Beamer's recruiting has lagged Muschamp's, Spurrier's and Holtz'. And he was hired because of some magical recruiting ability he supposedly had. I guess that we can blame NIL. Yet, a recent post on NIL 2024 Team Value found only Texas, Georgia and Alabama to be far and away from us in the SEC. It makes me speculate that we don't know the whole story about the recent dismissal of the Recruiting Coordinator.
I also get that the 2024 schedule is VERY difficult. But Beamer is going to have to pull off 2-3 upsets. If not, 2025 will be "do or die" for him. I know some people will say "No way". But if Clemson has the kind of season some think (supposedly their defense might be "All World'), the pressure will be enormous. I will dread to see what our next year's recruiting will look like if this season is a disaster.
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Right. I guess I'd feel bad if I was interjecting overtly critical posts into a stream of happy, optimistic posts. But, 1. As you point out, hardly anyone else posts much and 2. My threads are largely factual.
It's not liking I'm digging around to find the one needle of bad news in a haystack of good news.
This is why I posted awhile back wondering if the Titanic has already struck the iceberg and the sinking is inevitable, though not obvious at the moment.
Recruiting is about momentum as much as anything else. And we are trending down there. Short of pulling off an 8-win type season this year, it's hard to see Beamer reversing the recruiting trend. It was a worst-case scenario to have the kind of season we did last year, which certainly contributed to an uninspiring recruiting class, leading into a meat grinder of schedule this year.
If we could get 7 regular season wins, with a win over someone notable like Bama or OU and then end on a high note by winning a bowl game, that might give him enough mojo on the recruiting trail. Even if we scratched our way to 6 regular season wins, no recruit is gonna be impressed if we got there with wins over UK and Mizzou. We need a marquee win.
Frankly, it's just very difficult for me to see how Beamer can reverse it at this point.
I was going to post the same about momentum. You covered it well.
Our program has lost momentum, and is facing an uphill battle to get it back.
Our program has lost momentum, and is facing an uphill battle to get it back.
I know people want to say that we are what we always have been. But we have not always been mediocre. When we have had success, it was with coaches who could take what players they had, and then produce. That is why to me, I love the 2024 schedule. Crazy thinking? Well, I don't think so. This schedule gives Shane Beamer the chance to show us he has the coaching skills of a Spurrier, Morrison or Frank Beamer. I just don't think we will ever be able to stay with most of our conference opponents and Clemson when it comes to recruiting. As I said above, if Beamer can't get 2-3 upsets this season, the writing will be on the wall regarding Beamer, for me.
True…. When FGF split from rivals and now there’s two sites they both died. Remember many years ago that FGF and the Kentucky rivals site would have 12 to 1400 people on at any given time and you always have conversation. Now it’s just strange.
which is what I was saying. I think it speaks more about the person reading it /interpretation if they say everything you talk about is negative.
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