Lamont Paris

[ChairForceCock]

Has 4 years left on his contract. First off, he should at the very least be showing progression from this year, and we have no other direction than up. In year 3, I would seriously hope we are competitive with other teams, and should at a minimum have a winning percentage better than .500. Year 4 and 5 should be scratching a 20 win season and hopefully playoffs. I did not have the best feeling about him when hired, but continue to hope for the best.

I am serious when I say this, but at that point, if hasn't gotten the job done, why not go at Dawn hard for the men's job? I'd even say if we get to year 4 and have not seen to warrant a year 5, send him packing and lay out the red carpet for Dawn. Her girls are likely to get another NC this year, and I promise you that the NBA and WNBA will be pounding at her door.

 

[Uscg1984]

You may not know by Year 3 if you hired the "right guy," but it is possible to know by then if you hired the wrong one.

As for Staley coaching the men, if we're doing another coaching search in a couple or few years, I'd be willing to have that conversation with her. It would be a real crap-shoot as to whether she could recruit and coach men, but I'd probably be willing to let her try - if she so chose. It's not like our men's team could be any worse.

Having said that, she'd be putting her reputation on the line big time. If the experiment fails, we could end up with a bad men's program and a bad women's program. But I think she would have earned the right to make that call.

 

[ChairForceCock]

You may not know by Year 3 if you hired the "right guy," but it is possible to know by then if you hired the wrong one.

As for Staley coaching the men, if we're doing another coaching search in a couple or few years, I'd be willing to have that conversation with her. It would be a real crap-shoot as to whether she could recruit and coach men, but I'd probably be willing to let her try - if she so chose. It's not like our men's team could be any worse.

Having said that, she'd be putting her reputation on the line big time. If the experiment fails, we could end up with a bad men's program and a bad women's program. But I think she would have earned the right to make that call.

I know she has already said that her energy and focus is on women's basketball and she has no desire to coach men's sports on any level. She seems totally engrossed in women's college basketball and trying to increase its popularity. Not sure if that might change. I know she has the basketball knowledge to coach a men's team. Recruiting would be real interesting to say the least.

Hopefully we land Cam Scott and Elijah Crawford in the 24 class.

 

[Gradstudent]

Coach Staley is doing great where she is. Also if Coach Staley had a desire to move to the men's game, what makes anyone think, that our Men's job would be attractive or the right step for her, post Paris era?

 

[Uscg1984]

Coach Staley is doing great where she is. Also if Coach Staley had a desire to move to the men's game, what makes anyone think, that our Men's job would be attractive or the right step for her, post Paris era?

I'm not sure anyone assumes that. I think the question is if the position comes open, does Tanner at least have that conversation with her. _IF_ she had any desire to coach men's basketball, I'd sure want to know about it if I were him.

 

[Gradstudent]

I'd sure want to know about it if I were him.

If he doesn't already know then he is doing a poor job as AD. But maybe he doesn't.

 

[ChairForceCock]

Coach Staley is doing great where she is. Also if Coach Staley had a desire to move to the men's game, what makes anyone think, that our Men's job would be attractive or the right step for her, post Paris era?

She is the best coach in women's college basketball right now. Last said, she has no desire to do anything in men's basketball at any level. It would be like Montana playing another year in Kansas City, as in, "why tarnish everything you have done at San Francisco to play another year in Kansas City?". Very unlikely anything like this would happen, but I'd love to see how Dawn could do in the men's game. Still, having said that, if I were Tanner, none of that would stop me from asking her every chance I had. Imagine the media support we would get with the first woman to be head coach of a D-1 men's basketball team.

 

[Viennacock]

Has 4 years left on his contract. First off, he should at the very least be showing progression from this year, and we have no other direction than up. In year 3, I would seriously hope we are competitive with other teams, and should at a minimum have a winning percentage better than .500. Year 4 and 5 should be scratching a 20 win season and hopefully playoffs. I did not have the best feeling about him when hired, but continue to hope for the best.

I am serious when I say this, but at that point, if hasn't gotten the job done, why not go at Dawn hard for the men's job? I'd even say if we get to year 4 and have not seen to warrant a year 5, send him packing and lay out the red carpet for Dawn. Her girls are likely to get another NC this year, and I promise you that the NBA and WNBA will be pounding at her door.

I said this 4 years ago. I guarantee you she would be a Deon Sanders from a recruiting standpoint ( we already know she can coach).

 

[Dod Rangerfield]

Has 4 years left on his contract. First off, he should at the very least be showing progression from this year, and we have no other direction than up. In year 3, I would seriously hope we are competitive with other teams, and should at a minimum have a winning percentage better than .500. Year 4 and 5 should be scratching a 20 win season and hopefully playoffs. I did not have the best feeling about him when hired, but continue to hope for the best.

I am serious when I say this, but at that point, if hasn't gotten the job done, why not go at Dawn hard for the men's job? I'd even say if we get to year 4 and have not seen to warrant a year 5, send him packing and lay out the red carpet for Dawn. Her girls are likely to get another NC this year, and I promise you that the NBA and WNBA will be pounding at her door.

 

[Carolina Doc]

Just go out and buy us a men's team. It should be simple these days. Don't necessarily even need to know how to coach them up.

 

[Dod Rangerfield]

Still dumbfounded how we hired a coach with an all time overall winning percentage of .547 & a conference winning percentage of .489. Those numbers do not suggest a coach that should be given a power 5 head coaching opportunity.

 

[ChairForceCock]

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Wife of 32 years, 5 kids, what do you think? Aside from that, it won't happen. She wants to raise awareness in women's basketball too much, and that is more her goal than coaching in men's sports to prove she can win at that level. If she was good with it, yes, absolutely I'd hire her. She could scheme with the best of them, the part that would be questionable would be could she recruit? Would the best players want to play with her? I think they would. Why do you seem so convinced she wouldn't succeed in men's basketball?

We lost out on our first 4 options and ended up with option four, and to be fair it was more of option 4a and 4b with BJ McKie. Tanner can say he was one of the first candidates all he wants, but I ain't buying that. We bought and paid for his services, so I will do as I always do and support him as being our coach.

 

[CWW]

I'm not sure anyone assumes that. I think the question is if the position comes open, does Tanner at least have that conversation with her. _IF_ she had any desire to coach men's basketball, I'd sure want to know about it if I were him.

I hope Tanner will not be in his position when that time comes!

 

[18IsTheMan]

Wife of 32 years, 5 kids, what do you think? Aside from that, it won't happen. She wants to raise awareness in women's basketball too much, and that is more her goal than coaching in men's sports to prove she can win at that level. If she was good with it, yes, absolutely I'd hire her. She could scheme with the best of them, the part that would be questionable would be could she recruit? Would the best players want to play with her? I think they would. Why do you seem so convinced she wouldn't succeed in men's basketball?

We lost out on our first 4 options and ended up with option four, and to be fair it was more of option 4a and 4b with BJ McKie. Tanner can say he was one of the first candidates all he wants, but I ain't buying that. We bought and paid for his services, so I will do as I always do and support him as being our coach.

While I don't follow women's basketball, you make a good point. For her to go to the men's team or the NBA would be an admission that the men's game is superior.

 

[GoCocksFight2021]

Has 4 years left on his contract. First off, he should at the very least be showing progression from this year, and we have no other direction than up. In year 3, I would seriously hope we are competitive with other teams, and should at a minimum have a winning percentage better than .500. Year 4 and 5 should be scratching a 20 win season and hopefully playoffs. I did not have the best feeling about him when hired, but continue to hope for the best.

I am serious when I say this, but at that point, if hasn't gotten the job done, why not go at Dawn hard for the men's job? I'd even say if we get to year 4 and have not seen to warrant a year 5, send him packing and lay out the red carpet for Dawn. Her girls are likely to get another NC this year, and I promise you that the NBA and WNBA will be pounding at her door.

 

[atl-cock]

While I don't follow women's basketball, you make a good point. For her to go to the men's team or the NBA would be an admission that the men's game is superior.

Right. Coaching the men would be a step down with Dawn.

Now I can see RT asking Dawn for her opinion on what to look for in a coach and who to pursue.

 

[wob]

Let's take our most successful coach ever and move them into a place where they are not familiar. Then, let's watch both the old and the new flounder. Sound familiar?

It's the Garnet Way

 

[Fried Chicken]

Has 4 years left on his contract. First off, he should at the very least be showing progression from this year, and we have no other direction than up. In year 3, I would seriously hope we are competitive with other teams, and should at a minimum have a winning percentage better than .500. Year 4 and 5 should be scratching a 20 win season and hopefully playoffs. I did not have the best feeling about him when hired, but continue to hope for the best.

I am serious when I say this, but at that point, if hasn't gotten the job done, why not go at Dawn hard for the men's job? I'd even say if we get to year 4 and have not seen to warrant a year 5, send him packing and lay out the red carpet for Dawn. Her girls are likely to get another NC this year, and I promise you that the NBA and WNBA will be pounding at her door.

I would never want Dawn as our coach. But it would be a pretty moron thing to do to hire away our own legendary coach from the best program in the country. I’m amazed people still suggest this.

 

[Cocky99]

Ray may or may not have dropped the ball on the men’s basketball hire. But he should have departed ways with Frank sooner before a deeper hole was dug for the next coach to dig out of.

 

[18IsTheMan]

It's pretty funny that Lamont makes almost as much as Dawn.

 

[uscfan1981]

It's pretty funny that Lamont makes almost as much as Dawn.

He was making 250K. Why did we give an unproven coach a 10X bump in salary. We are stupid. We could have hired Gregg Marshall for haldf that and gotten 10x the coach.

We could have hired BJ for half that and at least hired a gamecock.

I want Paris to go away. But I don't trust our administration to hire anyone.
We extended Odoms contract (War chest, fired him. Hired Horn a coach WKU was glad to get rid of (gave him a raise) fired him. hired Martin a coach kstate was glad to get rid of (gave him an unfireable contract. Fired him when we looked to have a good team. then hired a no name no one wanted for 10x his salary. Literally anyone could do better.

 

[18IsTheMan]

He was making 250K. Why did we give an unproven coach a 10X bump in salary. We are stupid. We could have hired Gregg Marshall for haldf that and gotten 10x the coach.

We could have hired BJ for half that and at least hired a gamecock.

I want Paris to go away. But I don't trust our administration to hire anyone.
We extended Odoms contract (War chest, fired him. Hired Horn a coach WKU was glad to get rid of (gave him a raise) fired him. hired Martin a coach kstate was glad to get rid of (gave him an unfireable contract. Fired him when we looked to have a good team. then hired a no name no one wanted for 10x his salary. Literally anyone could do better.

I was certainly pushing for Marshall at the time. Most of our fans wanted to avoid him b/c he's a jerk.

 

[Dod Rangerfield]

He was making 250K. Why did we give an unproven coach a 10X bump in salary. We are stupid. We could have hired Gregg Marshall for haldf that and gotten 10x the coach.

We could have hired BJ for half that and at least hired a gamecock.

I want Paris to go away. But I don't trust our administration to hire anyone.
We extended Odoms contract (War chest, fired him. Hired Horn a coach WKU was glad to get rid of (gave him a raise) fired him. hired Martin a coach kstate was glad to get rid of (gave him an unfireable contract. Fired him when we looked to have a good team. then hired a no name no one wanted for 10x his salary. Literally anyone could do better.

co-sign

I was certainly pushing for Marshall at the time. Most of our fans wanted to avoid him b/c he's a jerk.

If a coach is a jerk but wins, I don't give a crap.

 

[18IsTheMan]

co-sign

If a coach is a jerk but wins, I don't give a crap.

Yes, I'd take a jerk who has been to the NCAAT 14 out of 19 seasons in coaching.

Before he was hired at WSU, they had been to the NCAAT 2x in 21 seasons. He took them to 7 in a row.

He took Winthrop to the NCAAT 7x in 9 seasons. They had been to 0 before he arrived and have been to 3 in the 14 seasons since he left.

And he was available when we were looking. Total no-brainer.

 

[Fried Chicken]

Yes, I'd take a jerk who has been to the NCAAT 14 out of 19 seasons in coaching.

Before he was hired at WSU, they had been to the NCAAT 2x in 21 seasons. He took them to 7 in a row.

He took Winthrop to the NCAAT 7x in 9 seasons. They had been to 0 before he arrived and have been to 3 in the 14 seasons since he left.

And he was available when we were looking. Total no-brainer.

I definitely wish we would’ve hired Marshall at some point in his career. He was my top choice last season as well. But I don’t know it it had as much to do with being a jerk than some of the allegations of things that took place at the end of his career as why we didn’t go after him. If not for those events, we never would’ve had a shot to get him anyway. Personally I feel Marshall with baggage had a far better opportunity for success than Paris or even BJ, and I love BJ McKie.

 

[Mic4usc]

Still dumbfounded how we hired a coach with an all time overall winning percentage of .547 & a conference winning percentage of .489. Those numbers do not suggest a coach that should be given a power 5 head coaching opportunity.

It appears to me the goal was to just level any positives in the men’s program. Abandon a very likely tourney team, hire an absolute dud of a coach, create complete apathy. I give this crap show one more calendar year.

 

[Prestonyte]

He was making 250K. Why did we give an unproven coach a 10X bump in salary. We are stupid. We could have hired Gregg Marshall for haldf that and gotten 10x the coach.

We could have hired BJ for half that and at least hired a gamecock.

I want Paris to go away. But I don't trust our administration to hire anyone.
We extended Odoms contract (War chest, fired him. Hired Horn a coach WKU was glad to get rid of (gave him a raise) fired him. hired Martin a coach kstate was glad to get rid of (gave him an unfireable contract. Fired him when we looked to have a good team. then hired a no name no one wanted for 10x his salary. Literally anyone could do better.

BJ should have been the obvious choice for a number of reasons.
Makes me wonder if Tanner would hire Landon Powell if given the opportunity.

 

[CWW]

I just happened upon Paris’ radio show last night. He seems so soft spoken. We needed someone different than Martin. However, I am not sure if Paris is the answer. I am pulling for him!

 

[Viennacock]

I just happened upon Paris’ radio show last night. He seems so soft spoken. We needed someone different than Martin. However, I am not sure if Paris is the answer. I am pulling for him!

Give the guy some time please. Soft spoken does not equal weak. A-holes like Martin does not equal strong. I agree the jury is out on Paris but he will be judged at the end of next season at the very earliest.

 

[Dod Rangerfield]

Give the guy some time please. Soft spoken does not equal weak. A-holes like Martin does not equal strong. I agree the jury is out on Paris but he will be judged at the end of next season at the very earliest.

Why can't you ever have quality posts?!

 

[Deleted11512]

The Paris hire was puzzling to say the least. Very similar to the Kingston hire. But, that's who we got and he should have 2 seasons to show improvement. He should not have 4. It shouldn't take that long in bball. If this team had just one legit SEC guard, it would be a much different year. The thing that raised my brow wasn't the performance on the court. Everyone should have known it was going to be a disaster. But it's the comment he made that probably should have worked the portal harder, on top of the fact that he carried an open roster spot into the season. You don't have to be a seasoned coach to know that's foolish. I mean, our guards are bad....like, really really bad. Didn't bring any in last year, didn't bring any in 2023. That's my big concern. What's his plan?? Meechie and Chico ain't the answer.

 

[Viennacock]

Why can't you ever have quality posts?!

Why are your post always knee jerk reactions?

 

[Forkcock]

Lamont needs time. There’s no way that I judge him for a few years. Our program was bad when he got here.

 

[Deleted11512]

Glad to see him bench GG. As talented as the kid is, he needs a wake up call. He’s a 39% shooter. If he doesn’t like the amount of touches he gets, maybe improve your shot? Maybe create more high percentage shots? He just turned 18, so he’s got a shot to turn it around. Pulling for the kid, but he needs to get his head out of his ***.

 

[atl-cock]

BJ should have been the obvious choice for a number of reasons.
Makes me wonder if Tanner would hire Landon Powell if given the opportunity.

Assuming, of course, that Landon would abandon the gig he loves in Greenville,

 

[Deleted11512]

Assuming, of course, that Landon would abandon the gig he loves in Greenville,

He would be on way to cola before he hung the phone up, and his players know it too. He’s told them that, and his players actually are pulling for him to be able to get this gig one day.

 

[atl-cock]

He would be on way to cola before he hung the phone up, and his players know it too. He’s told them that, and his players actually are pulling for him to be able to get this gig one day.

And you know this how?

 

[Deleted11512]

And you know this how?

Heard him talking about it last year in an interview. There was speculation that Kingston was going to or should be fired. And they were asking Powell about the job. He said it’s his dream job. And it’s the only one he wouldn’t think twice about leaving NG for. Money isn’t an issue. He made it sound like he’s content with staying at NG until USC comes calling. He said he’s been up front and honest about it with his players too, and they support him. There were a couple of players in the room when he was giving the interview. But he did say Kingston is the coach and doing a great job, and he will continue to do whatever he can to support him.

Edit: Here is a link to the interview. Really good comments.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Paris obviously needs more time, but this is one of the worst teams we have assembled.

 

[Deleted11512]

Paris obviously needs more time, but this is one of the worst teams we have assembled.

True. But he needs to show that he's addressing issues. Guard is a major concern. I just don't see how he's addressing it. Hopefully there's a good portal target out there. If he doesn't upgrade there, next year isn't going to be much better.