Lion Shrine vandalized?

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Oh, this is just great. Tom, did you take the time to actually read what these kooks are about? Talk about gas lighting politics.

 
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Oh, this is just great. Tom, did you take the time to actually read what these kooks are about? Talk about gas lighting politics.

"She said the broken ear of the shrine should serve as “a permanent reminder of the dark side of Penn State University, the lives lost and a warning."

A warning for what? Is she going to strike again?
 

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Yep, it's still not her fault. For God's sake, this girl needs to sit in jail until she takes even a modicum of responsibility.
I read the Collegian article. For the Collegian, I feel this article is well written, and sadly I agree with this girl's observations about the help she tried to get at PSU. I don't agree with the way she went about drawing attention to it with the vandalism and she needs to answer for that part. This isn't the first time I have heard about students that needed help attempted to get it from the services at PSU only to be told they have to wait or the services were inefficient or PSU didn't believe them or take them seriously. Maybe its not all on the university and most health insurance these days have virtual mental health services available but what kid knows that unless they bring these problems to their parents. Hell, some parents probably don't know that it is available in their family health insurance coverage. And, I think the quotes in the article from the PSU folks are all CYA quotes and don't reflect reality and only reflect something written somewhere. This has been the PSU way for a long time. It seems to be spun that this girl is a crack pot when in reality she seemed to be a very successful, very involved student from the article:

Cipparulo attended Penn State from 2017 to 2021, graduating with a degree in biochemistry and molecular biology as a Schreyer Honors student.

At the university, Cipparulo joined THON, which is the world's largest student-run philanthropy that aims to provide emotional and financial support to Four Diamonds families who have been impacted by childhood cancer.

She also joined Lion Ambassadors — an organization that aims “to communicate Penn State’s history and personality” to prospective students through informational tours and events, according to its website.

Cipparulo said she struggled with hazing and sexual coercion while in Lion Ambassadors, especially due to working with a former abusive boyfriend.


PSU is a big place with a lot of students and I am sure it is challenging for PSU to manage everything but I would think with the number of sexual assaults(I rec txt msg of timely warnings from PSU almost every weekend) and suicides(you don't hear about in the news but I do as a local resident), PSU needs to do a better job when students come to them for help. It sounds like she went but was not taken seriously or whoever she talked to or tried to get help from didn't care or could not dig deeper. I am no psychologist but if student shows up/calls for help, someone needs to sit down and talk to them, they are not reaching out for help for no reason, something happened to them and they felt the need to talk to someone.
 

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I read the Collegian article. For the Collegian, I feel this article is well written, and sadly I agree with this girl's observations about the help she tried to get at PSU. I don't agree with the way she went about drawing attention to it with the vandalism and she needs to answer for that part. This isn't the first time I have heard about students that needed help attempted to get it from the services at PSU only to be told they have to wait or the services were inefficient or PSU didn't believe them or take them seriously. Maybe its not all on the university and most health insurance these days have virtual mental health services available but what kid knows that unless they bring these problems to their parents. Hell, some parents probably don't know that it is available in their family health insurance coverage. And, I think the quotes in the article from the PSU folks are all CYA quotes and don't reflect reality and only reflect something written somewhere. This has been the PSU way for a long time. It seems to be spun that this girl is a crack pot when in reality she seemed to be a very successful, very involved student from the article:

Cipparulo attended Penn State from 2017 to 2021, graduating with a degree in biochemistry and molecular biology as a Schreyer Honors student.

At the university, Cipparulo joined THON, which is the world's largest student-run philanthropy that aims to provide emotional and financial support to Four Diamonds families who have been impacted by childhood cancer.

She also joined Lion Ambassadors — an organization that aims “to communicate Penn State’s history and personality” to prospective students through informational tours and events, according to its website.

Cipparulo said she struggled with hazing and sexual coercion while in Lion Ambassadors, especially due to working with a former abusive boyfriend.


PSU is a big place with a lot of students and I am sure it is challenging for PSU to manage everything but I would think with the number of sexual assaults(I rec txt msg of timely warnings from PSU almost every weekend) and suicides(you don't hear about in the news but I do as a local resident), PSU needs to do a better job when students come to them for help. It sounds like she went but was not taken seriously or whoever she talked to or tried to get help from didn't care or could not dig deeper. I am no psychologist but if student shows up/calls for help, someone needs to sit down and talk to them, they are not reaching out for help for no reason, something happened to them and they felt the need to talk to someone.
You must have missed that her sexual abuser was her boyfriend, a boyfriend she had in high school who also attended Penn State. The sexual abuse usually took place after she was passed out from alcohol. Yet this is Penn State's issue? Are you her attorney?
 

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You must have missed that her sexual abuser was her boyfriend, a boyfriend she had in high school who also attended Penn State. The sexual abuse usually took place after she was passed out from alcohol. Yet this is Penn State's issue? Are you her attorney?

I dont' think these are mutually exclusive issues. I agree with you that she has tons of issues that she needs to work out, and agree her specific issues aren't PSUs fault. HOWEVER, I also think that the lack of resources (anecdotally speaking since i'm not "IN" the space) is something that needs to be addressed and probably aided in her fall.

I just think that she's looking for someone to blame and PSU is an easy target.
 

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You must have missed that her sexual abuser was her boyfriend, a boyfriend she had in high school who also attended Penn State. The sexual abuse usually took place after she was passed out from alcohol. Yet this is Penn State's issue? Are you her attorney?
It's sexual abuse none the less, doesn't matter who by and she was seeking help but fell short which added to her mental issues. No, its not Penn State's issue/fault but they do offer services to help which fall short. I am pretty sure I said she needs to answer for the vandalism and it was wrong of her to do that. I was just pointing out that PSU at times just spews words and doesn't back them up to cover their butts and things seem to get swept under the carpet quickly to make them go away.
 

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I dont' think these are mutually exclusive issues. I agree with you that she has tons of issues that she needs to work out, and agree her specific issues aren't PSUs fault. HOWEVER, I also think that the lack of resources (anecdotally speaking since i'm not "IN" the space) is something that needs to be addressed and probably aided in her fall.

I just think that she's looking for someone to blame and PSU is an easy target.
Yeah, easy to blame the institution and maybe she was/is looking for a payday because that does seem to happen at times at PSU but her case is weak for that to happen. There are at risk students on campus and I do wish they knew of and had more available access to the resources PSU provides. I think the natural instinct is to try to resolve the issue themselves which usually makes things worse.
 

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I dont' think these are mutually exclusive issues. I agree with you that she has tons of issues that she needs to work out, and agree her specific issues aren't PSUs fault. HOWEVER, I also think that the lack of resources (anecdotally speaking since i'm not "IN" the space) is something that needs to be addressed and probably aided in her fall.

I just think that she's looking for someone to blame and PSU is an easy target.
This is not correct. Resources are available for every type of issue and there are probably more available at Penn State, thanks to Sandusky, than any other school. However, you have to seek help in order to be helped. She was a Lion Ambassador and therefore she knew what was available.
 
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This is not correct. Resources are available for every type of issue and there are probably more available at Penn State, thanks to Sandusky, than any other school. However, you have to seek help in order to be helped. She was a Lion Ambassador and therefore she knew what was available.

sorry, should have said "lack of readily available resources", as evident by the claim and confirmation that there is a long wait for non-emergent services. but like i said, there is blame to go both ways here, and mostly on her. you can't file a T9 then withdraw then re-file and complain that the system doesn't work.

saying there is resources available, in a vacuum, sounds good. but when those resources are so constrained that they can't be used for 4-6 weeks, or when that "resource" is a list of other resources, that's a problem.
 

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sorry, should have said "lack of readily available resources", as evident by the claim and confirmation that there is a long wait for non-emergent services. but like i said, there is blame to go both ways here, and mostly on her. you can't file a T9 then withdraw then re-file and complain that the system doesn't work.

saying there is resources available, in a vacuum, sounds good. but when those resources are so constrained that they can't be used for 4-6 weeks, or when that "resource" is a list of other resources, that's a problem.
Almost everything you've written here is not correct. Services are available 24/7 through the University, the Boro, the County, and the State. The girl is a criminal looking to place blame for most likely two reasons: To avoid conviction and to setup a future lawsuit.
 
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sorry, should have said "lack of readily available resources", as evident by the claim and confirmation that there is a long wait for non-emergent services. but like i said, there is blame to go both ways here, and mostly on her. you can't file a T9 then withdraw then re-file and complain that the system doesn't work.

saying there is resources available, in a vacuum, sounds good. but when those resources are so constrained that they can't be used for 4-6 weeks, or when that "resource" is a list of other resources, that's a problem.
The Collegian article sounds VERY one sided to me, written by a Sophomore at PSU. Seems she did a lot of research on Julia (social media, texts to her friends, etc.), but did she really drill down into PSU's policies and reaction to Julia's complaints?

This is one point made in the article re: PSU:

Stephanie Stama, a psychologist and assistant director for community education and outreach at CAPS, said there is “never a wait for services” for a student in need of emergency services.

Corinne Creppage, a clinical services provider and rapid response coordinator, seconded Stama’s statement, saying there is no wait for rapid-response services.

“For individual therapy, if someone just prefers that, which is understandable, they might have to wait a little bit until we finish with some other students that we’re doing six sessions with,” Creppage said. “But, the most important thing I think to really highlight is that there are rapid-response services for urgent or crisis needs.”
 
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This is not correct. Resources are available for every type of issue and there are probably more available at Penn State, thanks to Sandusky, than any other school. However, you have to seek help in order to be helped. She was a Lion Ambassador and therefore she knew what was available.

I am not defending her behavior and I do not think that the university is responsible for her problems. However, CAPS is seriously under-resourced. I know multiple students who were having acute mental health crises but were not actively suicidal. They had trouble accessing services. CAPS has tried to add things like a Chat where students can be directed to available resources, but students in crisis do not want to deal with a chat. They need to hire more counselors and have someone that can do intakes in person and triage students to the best resources.

When I read that CAPS was bragging that they had been approved to hire an assistant director for DEI and a records specialists I almost threw up in my mouth. They need to hire more counselors and psychologists. This is a problem throughout the university. We have too many administrators and not enough people doing the actual work of the university.
 

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I am not defending her behavior and I do not think that the university is responsible for her problems. However, CAPS is seriously under-resourced. I know multiple students who were having acute mental health crises but were not actively suicidal. They had trouble accessing services. CAPS has tried to add things like a Chat where students can be directed to available resources, but students in crisis do not want to deal with a chat. They need to hire more counselors and have someone that can do intakes in person and triage students to the best resources.

When I read that CAPS was bragging that they had been approved to hire an assistant director for DEI and a records specialists I almost threw up in my mouth. They need to hire more counselors and psychologists. This is a problem throughout the university. We have too many administrators and not enough people doing the actual work of the university.
I think we need a boundary about this issue. What is the University responsible for and where does that begin and end? All people in and around State College? Just students? Alumni? Girls who repeatedly go home with their abuser while blackout drunk and scream that the University doesn't care?

The girl is a criminal and needs to sit in jail.
 

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I think we need a boundary about this issue. What is the University responsible for and where does that begin and end? All people in and around State College? Just students? Alumni? Girls who repeatedly go home with their abuser while blackout drunk and scream that the University doesn't care?

The girl is a criminal and needs to sit in jail.
I think that there are two distinct issues here. Her behavior was criminal and should be treated as such. However, the university does need to improve the level of service available to STUDENTS at CAPS.
 
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She took it for granite
It’s a hard rock life for her.

Seriously though, I hear what she is saying about a lack of resources or assistance while on campus. And it's probably true. But everyone everywhere has that problem. Welcome to real life. No place has 100% adequate funding or staffing to 100% cover all manners of problems that students, employees, volunteers, etc. may encounter throughout their life. Sometimes you do have to be your own advocate and seek additional assistance if you feel people aren't listening to you. So if PSU wasn't getting the job done, I am sure a quick google search would have found all sorts of places around state college and the surrounding area that would have been up to her standards to assist her. I don't think you just get to kick back and say "why did you make me do this to you, PSU?"
 
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It’s a hard rock life for her.

Seriously though, I hear what she is saying about a lack of resources or assistance while on campus. And it's probably true. But everyone everywhere has that problem. Welcome to real life. No place has 100% adequate funding or staffing to 100% cover all manners of problems that students, employees, volunteers, etc. may encounter throughout their life. Sometimes you do have to be your own advocate and seek additional assistance if you feel people aren't listening to you. So if PSU wasn't getting the job done, I am sure a quick google search would have found all sorts of places around state college and the surrounding area that would have been up to her standards to assist her. I don't think you just get to kick back and say "why did you make me do this to you, PSU?"
Andrew Shubin's office?
 

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Perhaps she learned from all of this and got the help she needed. Maybe she is a better person today. Certainly can advise students about what not to do when your mental health is in a bad place. Still, ESU might want to put some guards around any statues they have on campus if they ever let her go. Just saying.
She got lucky. Best she realize this sooner rather than later.
 
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