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They'll play next on Wednesday against the winner of the Texas - Iowa game. PA would probably like another game with Texas, as they lost to them in their 1st game.

still not final, but Texas is leading in the Texas - Iowa game. And the Texas coach is managing his pitching changes so that almost all of his pitchers (not sure about the starter; I missed the first few innings) will be eligible to pitch against PA.

It's currently 3-0, Texas, in the bottom of the 5th, with none on and 1 out for Iowa.

Edit: we're thru 5, and it's 3-0, Texas. The ump had a pretty wide strike zone in the bottom of the 5th, as the called 2nd and called 3rd strike on the last Iowa batter appeared to be outside.
 

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Texas defeats Iowa, 4-0. So Pennsylvania will face Texas on Wednesday at 7 pm EDT.
 

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They'll play next on Wednesday against the winner of the Texas - Iowa game. PA would probably like another game with Texas, as they lost to them in their 1st game.

PA is getting pretty high in the tournament. Here's the situation at the end of Tuesday (8/23). In the US winner's bracket, Hawaii and Tennessee are still undefeated. They'll play each other on Wednesday (8/24) at 3 pm EDT.

In the loser's bracket, PA and Texas are still alive. They'll play each other on Wednesday (8/24) at 7 pm EDT. As it's a double elimination tournament, the loser of this game will have their LLWS end.

On Thursday (8/25) the loser of the Hawaii - Tennessee game will play the winner of the PA - Texas match at 7 pm EDT in the loser's bracket final. The winner of that game will play the winner of the Hawaii - Tennessee in the United States final on Saturday (8/27) at 3:30 pm EDT.

All times posted above are if everything goes according to schedule. Rain has affected the schedule over the past few days.
 

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Hawaii continued their dominance, defeating Tennessee 13-0. I believe they've given up 1 run in the LLWS. By virtue of their win over Tennessee, they advance to the United States final on Saturday (8/27).
 
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Prob a stupid question but how are these teams put together? I know where I live we have a few really good club teams for this age and then the travel teams from the township, do they take kids from the best travel teams/club teams around and make one really good team? Not sure how it works.
 

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Prob a stupid question but how are these teams put together? I know where I live we have a few really good club teams for this age and then the travel teams from the township, do they take kids from the best travel teams/club teams around and make one really good team? Not sure how it works.

It's far more structured than that, with all kinds of rules.

Each team is an all-star team from a specific little league. Using the PA team (Hollidaysburg) as an example, all of the players on the team played in the majors division of the Hollidaysburg little league, for however many teams Hollidaysburg has in their majors. Toward the end of the season, the coaching staff that's been appointed for Hollidaysburg (by Hollidaysburg) get together with the coaches from the Hollidaysburg majors division, and the little league team that will represent that little league (i.e., Hollidaysburg) in districts, sectionals, states, and regionals is selected.

Little League USA assigns areas where little leagues exist. So for example, Hollidaysburg is south of Altoona. If Altoona has a little league unit, then kids from Altoona have to play for Altoona, and kids from Hollidaysburg have to play for Hollidaysburg. For areas that don't have a little league unit (for this example, let's use Gallitzin, which is west of Altoona and west of Hollidaysburg). If Gallitzin doesn't have a little league unit (I don't know if they do or don't), then kids from that area are free agents, and they can sign up for Hollidaysburg little league, or Altoona little league (or other little leagues). Recruitment by elite little leagues from the unassigned areas does take place.

I'm simplifying things somewhat, but I think I've conveyed the most important components of the Little League rules concerned how teams are assembled.
 

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Hollidaysburg (PA; Mid-Atlantic) vs. Texas:

Texas leads off. PA's pitcher has a lot of control issues, and Texas plates 3 runs.

PA battled back in the bottom of the 1st, and ties things up 3-3.
 

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Texas with a solo HR in the top of the 2nd makes it 4-3, Texas.

PA didn't score in the bottom of the inning (I think they got 1 hit; not certain)

4-3, Texas after 2
 

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Texas doesn't score in the top of the 3rd.

PA is robbed of a solo HR in the bottom of the 3rd by the 5' 9" LF of Texas, who reached up and over the wall and caught the ball.

Still 4-3, Texas, after 3 innings.
 

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Neither Texas nor PA scored in the 4th inning, so it's still 4-3, Texas, after 4 innings. Hollidaysburg's batting star made the last out of the 4th inning for PA, so unless PA has a nice rally, he's unlikely to get another at bat in the game.
 

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Texas with a 2-run HR in the top of the 5th, makes is 6-3, Texas, heading to the bottom of the 5th.

PA scored 1 run in the bottom of the 5th to make it 6-4, Texas.
 

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Weird game complete with horrible head coaching by PA and TX. The PA head coach was mocked by his players during his last mound call and the TX head coach is a complete idiot. TX’s best coach is that Simon guy in the dugout who took Pearland to the finals a couple of years ago.

Neither team deserves to represent the USA in the final.
 

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Texas crushes a ball for a 2-run HR in the top of the 6th, making it 8-4, Texas, with no outs. PA gets out of the inning with no more runs scored by Texas.

Hollidaysburg is going to have to dig deep and score 4 or more runs in the bottom of the 6th, or their magical LLWS run will come to an end.
 
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Hollidaysburg goes down 1-2-3 in the bottom of the 6th (K, K, ground out), so they lose to Texas, 8-4.

A great run by the PA team. They didn't play to their norm tonight. But give it up for Texas, as they defeated Hollidaysburg twice in the LLWS.

Texas will play Tennessee in the loser's bracket final on Thursday (8/25) at 7 pm EDT. The winner of that game will take on Hawaii in the United States final on Saturday.
 

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Greetings.

USC Trojan here.

I hope it's okay to jump in. I'm from Hawaii, played in their LL organizations as a lad, coached for about 10 years and was Chief Umpire for about 5 years in our local Windward Oahu LL. I'm an old phart now long retired and living in Oregon. (The ducks suck. I hope the B1G doesn't invite them.)

Anyway, by regulation all these teams are to be legitimate community all-star teams drawn from kids in a given league who have completed the regular season playing for teams within that same league.

There have been instances where teams have recruited outside talent or played kids older than 12 at the cutoff date, but it's rare. Taiwan was doing it in the 90s.

Our local LL sent a team that included my now brother-in-law that made it through regionals all the way to Williamsport in 1957. The first Hawaii team to ever make an appearance there. The brackets worked differently and there were few "international teams" participating back then.

One such was Monterrey, Mexico. Mexico beat our kids in the semi-final game by only one run and ended up winning it all. Mexico won it all again in 1958, but it came to light later that Mexico was actually playing a national-best team and not a strictly community team. They were bringing together kids from all over the nation, in blatant violation of the rules. They also had a dominant pitcher who was later shown to be older than was permissible. My bother-in-law said this so-called "kid" was like 6'1". Too bad for the team from the US that came in second those years. They got robbed.

Anyway, I'm proud of how the island kids are again representing their state. Not bad for a place that barely has 1.5 million people living in the entire state.

Peace ...
 

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Greetings.

USC Trojan here.

I hope it's okay to jump in. I'm from Hawaii, played in their LL organizations as a lad, coached for about 10 years and was Chief Umpire for about 5 years in our local Windward Oahu LL. I'm an old phart now long retired and living in Oregon. (The ducks suck. I hope the B1G doesn't invite them.)

Anyway, by regulation all these teams are to be legitimate community all-star teams drawn from kids in a given league who have completed the regular season playing for teams within that same league.

There have been instances where teams have recruited outside talent or played kids older than 12 at the cutoff date, but it's rare. Taiwan was doing it in the 90s.

Our local LL sent a team that included my now brother-in-law that made it through regionals all the way to Williamsport in 1957. The first Hawaii team to ever make an appearance there. The brackets worked differently and there were few "international teams" participating back then.

One such was Monterrey, Mexico. Mexico beat our kids in the semi-final game by only one run and ended up winning it all. Mexico won it all again in 1958, but it came to light later that Mexico was actually playing a national-best team and not a strictly community team. They were bringing together kids from all over the nation, in blatant violation of the rules. They also had a dominant pitcher who was later shown to be older than was permissible. My bother-in-law said this so-called "kid" was like 6'1". Too bad for the team from the US that came in second those years. They got robbed.

Anyway, I'm proud of how the island kids are again representing their state. Not bad for a place that barely has 1.5 million people living in the entire state.

Peace ...
Hector,

The tenor of your post suggests that the team from Hawaii isn’t legit.

You need to lei it on us.
 
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Hector,

The tenor of your post suggests that the team from Hawaii isn’t legit.

You need to lei it on us.

I don't know how you got that idea. Sorry, but you misunderstand me. This Hawaii team is perfectly legit.

The manager, Gerald Oda, has been coaching for 35 years and won it all at Williamsport in 2018.

It was Taiwan and Mexico who were big-time cheaters in the past.
 
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I don't know how you got that idea. Sorry, but you misunderstand me. This Hawaii team is perfectly legit.

The manager, Gerald Oda, has been coaching for 35 years and won it all at Williamsport in 2018.

It was Taiwan and Mexico who were big-time cheaters in the past.
The Philippines?
 

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I didn't watch the game, but it appears that Tennessee (Southeast) manhandled Texas (Southwest) in the loser's bracket final, 7-1.

The US Final will be held on Saturday (8/27), at 3:30 pm EDT, between Hawaii (West) and Tennessee (Southeast).
 
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I didn't watch the game, but it appears that Tennessee (Southeast) manhandled Texas (Southwest) in the loser's bracket final, 7-1.

The US Final will be held on Saturday (8/27), at 3:30 pm EDT, between Hawaii (West) and Tennessee (Southeast).
Grand slam by the kid with one eye made it 4-1 early and Texas never came back. A really cool moment.
 

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You are probably fight, I thought they did it for several years but I could be wrong. Too mand years ago for my memory.

for you, I looked it up.

PA took on Texas in the 7th game ('64), 8th game ('65), 9th game ('66), and the 10th game ('67). All of the other competitions have been one of the following:
- PA vs. National High School All-Americans
- PA divided into an East and a West team
- PA vs. Maryland
- PA vs. Ohio
- 1 year when I believe PA was divided into a Blue and a Gray team
 

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...As it's a double elimination tournament, the loser of this game will have their LLWS end.

.... The winner of that game will play the winner of the Hawaii - Tennessee in the United States final ...
...The US Final will be held on Saturday (8/27), at 3:30 pm EDT, between Hawaii (West) and Tennessee (Southeast).
Ironically, for the sake of having a single marketable "final", the last remaining undefeated team (in this case Hawaii) is the only team NOT afforded double-elimination. Not hoping for Hawaii but at the same time don't want to see them penalized for one off game when everyone else in the U.S. got a mulligan.

Never liked that since it was changed. If a marketable final is deemed to be so important as opposed to a "Team A just needs 1, Team B needs to win 2", then have pods, East-West, North-South or 4 pods and elimination round similar to the World Cup style or whatever...then you have a CLEAN final imho. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Ironically, for the sake of having a single marketable "final", the last remaining undefeated team (in this case Hawaii) is the only team NOT afforded double-elimination. Not hoping for Hawaii but at the same time don't want to see them penalized for one off game when everyone else in the U.S. got a mulligan.

Never liked that since it was changed. If a marketable final is deemed to be so important as opposed to a "Team A just needs 1, Team B needs to win 2", then have pods, East-West, North-South or 4 pods and elimination round similar to the World Cup style or whatever...then you have a CLEAN final imho. 🤷‍♂️

I sympathize, in large part because when I was actively involved in LL, if you got to the championship from the loser's bracket, you had to beat the winner's bracket champion 2X to win the title.

I guess with the US final and the International final on Saturday, and then the LLBWS final on Sunday (probably scheduled as such for TV), any team that played 2X on Saturday would be at a distinct disadvantage on Sunday, especially if their opponent played 1X on Saturday, as it would be really difficult via the LL rules to have enough quality pitchers left for 3 games over 2 days.
 

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Ironically, for the sake of having a single marketable "final", the last remaining undefeated team (in this case Hawaii) is the only team NOT afforded double-elimination. Not hoping for Hawaii but at the same time don't want to see them penalized for one off game when everyone else in the U.S. got a mulligan.

Never liked that since it was changed. If a marketable final is deemed to be so important as opposed to a "Team A just needs 1, Team B needs to win 2", then have pods, East-West, North-South or 4 pods and elimination round similar to the World Cup style or whatever...then you have a CLEAN final imho. 🤷‍♂️

Ya, that’s a good point.

The only team that doesn’t get a second shot, is the one team that is left standing and undefeated at the end. I agree it seems cockeyed. Usually, in a double-elimination tourney, the team coming out of the loser’s bracket has to beat the winner’s bracket survivor twice. This is a weird set-up.

But no whining allowed. Hawaii’s only recourse is to beat Tennessee again. The Tennessee team looked solid today. It should be a good game.

In Hawaii we say, “Imua!” It means “Forward!” or “Onward!”

Imua, Hawaii!
 

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US Final:

Top of the 5th, Hawaii (West) is up 5-1 over Tennessee (Southeast), 5-1
 

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US Final: Hawaii (West) defeats Tennessee (Southeast), 5-1

They'll play Curacao tomorrow (Sunday, 8/28) in the LLBWS, as Curacao (Caribbean Region) defeated Taiwan (Asia-Pacific Region), 1-0 earlier today in the International final.
 

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US Final: Hawaii (West) defeats Tennessee (Southeast), 5-1

They'll play Curacao tomorrow (Sunday, 8/28) in the LLBWS, as Curacao (Caribbean Region) defeated Taiwan (Asia-Pacific Region), 1-0 earlier today in the International final.

Good win against a solid, well-coached Tennessee team, but Hawaii is going to have to up their game against Curaçao. They got some grown men on that Curaçao team!

It should be a very good game.

IMUA, Hawaii.

Go USA!!!

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The team representing MA is a fairly local squad - 3 of the kids on it, including the kid who was the SP last night,, were teammates of my younger son on a travel team a couple years back. They weren't the most friendly kids, so I watched with interest, but didn't root for them. My son just said "good" when they lost. But one of them has a hot white trash mom - at tryouts she was wearing a tank-top wife-beater and daisy dukes, with a nose ring and a tat going up the side of her leg.
Sorry to jump into this conversation late, but I completely get your take on some of the youth organizations. There are programs out there that cater to individual talent over team building, and foster entitlement in the process (by both kids AND parents). My son just switched as well (different sport) after finally having had enough with an increasing number of bullies on his and other friends of his teams within the organization. The final straw was that his coach last year willfully ignored highly disruptive behaviors from a handful of kids, despite their detriment to the team. Meanwhile others (apparently not deemed as important) were reprimanded for far less. At the ripe old age of 12, he was able to sift through the ******** and realized that a system of disproportionate accountability was not where he wanted to be. Not that he needed validation, but literally half of his teammates also left for pretty much the same reason. He loves his new locker room and so far is in a place that appears to be invested in growing his AND his entire team’s talent.
 

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Sorry to jump into this conversation late, but I completely get your take on some of the youth organizations. There are programs out there that cater to individual talent over team building, and foster entitlement in the process (by both kids AND parents). My son just switched as well (different sport) after finally having had enough with an increasing number of bullies on his and other friends of his teams within the organization. The final straw was that his coach last year willfully ignored highly disruptive behaviors from a handful of kids, despite their detriment to the team. Meanwhile others (apparently not deemed as important) were reprimanded for far less. At the ripe old age of 12, he was able to sift through the ******** and realized that a system of disproportionate accountability was not where he wanted to be. Not that he needed validation, but literally half of his teammates also left for pretty much the same reason. He loves his new locker room and so far is in a place that appears to be invested in growing his AND his entire team’s talent.

You’re absolutely right.

There are leagues with differing philosophies about their reason for being. Some are “community leagues” that emphasize participation and recreational fun (to play) and there are those that conscientiously elect to be “leagues of excellence“ that emphasize above all individual development and competitively putting the very best product forward (to win).

Both have a legitimate purpose but you can’t be both.

By in large, the Little League organization strives for the former. You see this reflected in their rules and nurturing style of play. Like the mandatory substitution of players to ensure everyone gets a minimum of one at-bat and three-out on defense. Every child in the community who wants to play will be on a team, and they will practice and play.

American Legion, Babe Ruth and Pony League usually strive to be more on the “league of excellence“ side of the ledger. The player members are often recruited and join by invitation only, and coach/managers work hard to attract the very best players possible. Usually there is no such thing as mandatory player substitution here and the primary goal is to be as good as they possibly can be in the win-loss column.

That being said, there are some coaches who don’t understand what kind of league they are in and their intention is that ”their” teams reflect the coach’s own attitudes and priorities rather than the league’s. Any coach striving to be a “team of excellence” playing in a “community league” just doesn’t understand the overall picture and can do a lot of damage working with kids whose development and abilities demand a nurturing environment. Likewise, a coach who sees his team as being a “community participation team” playing in a “league of excellence” robs individual players who are capable of achieving a much higher level-ceiling of play.

Either of those coaches I would call a “bad coach”, not because they are necessarily intentionally harmful or just lousy at mentoring and/or “coaching, but because they don’t understand their proper role within the philosophy of the larger organization.

And then, of course, there are just people who have no business working with youngsters, don’t understand the game of baseball, maybe never played themselves, and who are there just as an exercise to their own ego.

Having played and coached in both types of organizations, I will add that as important as it is that the coaches understand what kind of league they are coaching in, it is doubly-important that parents understand what kind of the league they are getting their kids involved in.
 

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Prob a stupid question but how are these teams put together? I know where I live we have a few really good club teams for this age and then the travel teams from the township, do they take kids from the best travel teams/club teams around and make one really good team? Not sure how it works.

Not a stupid question ... and Tom has covered the main points.

The thing I've learned this year, from having boys playing travel baseball, and also going through the Little League stuff, is that Little League is pretty average baseball. First, since Little League (at least this tourney) is played on a 46/60 field (the smallest possible), most towns - especially those that play better baseball - have moved on from Little League and gone to Cal Ripken. Little League does now offer a 50/70 (Intermediate - a slightly bigger field) option, but most teams that stick with Little League stay at 46/60. For bigger 12 year olds, 46/60 is really awkward to play on. And lazy fly balls are HRs. Routine slow grounders are actually "infield singles" if they aren't hit directly to someone because the bases are so close. Around here, at least 80% of the towns, and most of the ones with better programs, aren't affiliated with Little League. The Middleboro, MA team that made it to the LLWS wouldn't have made it very far in an eastern MA regional if they played against a field of all the MA teams.

Additionally, town-based baseball is now less and less of a concern. Increasingly, better kids are just skipping it altogether ... at least when they reach a certain age and a certain skill level. It's mostly about travel (or however you refer to it - club, AAU, etc.) baseball. Obviously the better travel orgs, with their pick of better players from multiple towns, would destroy these Little League teams ... so it's kinda hard to watch LL and get excited about it, because a lot of kids are playing better games against better competition weekly. It's not like it used to be, with kids stuck on their lesser town teams wondering what it would be like to play against/with those big kids throwing upper 60's/lower 70's ... they do that now all the time. And they've been playing 50/70 since they were 11 (at least).
 
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From what I remember, chinese taipei (population 20m+) used to claim only ONE little league for the entire city so when it came time for LLWS they picked the best of the best. Little league changed their rules to make them split up into multiple teams based upon population size. That ended their total domination of the LLWS.
 

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You’re absolutely right.

There are leagues with differing philosophies about their reason for being. Some are “community leagues” that emphasize participation and recreational fun (to play) and there are those that conscientiously elect to be “leagues of excellence“ that emphasize above all individual development and competitively putting the very best product forward (to win).

Both have a legitimate purpose but you can’t be both.

By in large, the Little League organization strives for the former. You see this reflected in their rules and nurturing style of play. Like the mandatory substitution of players to ensure everyone gets a minimum of one at-bat and three-out on defense. Every child in the community who wants to play will be on a team, and they will practice and play.

American Legion, Babe Ruth and Pony League usually strive to be more on the “league of excellence“ side of the ledger. The player members are often recruited and join by invitation only, and coach/managers work hard to attract the very best players possible. Usually there is no such thing as mandatory player substitution here and the primary goal is to be as good as they possibly can be in the win-loss column.

That being said, there are some coaches who don’t understand what kind of league they are in and their intention is that ”their” teams reflect the coach’s own attitudes and priorities rather than the league’s. Any coach striving to be a “team of excellence” playing in a “community league” just doesn’t understand the overall picture and can do a lot of damage working with kids whose development and abilities demand a nurturing environment. Likewise, a coach who sees his team as being a “community participation team” playing in a “league of excellence” robs individual players who are capable of achieving a much higher level-ceiling of play.

Either of those coaches I would call a “bad coach”, not because they are necessarily intentionally harmful or just lousy at mentoring and/or “coaching, but because they don’t understand their proper role within the philosophy of the larger organization.

And then, of course, there are just people who have no business working with youngsters, don’t understand the game of baseball, maybe never played themselves, and who are there just as an exercise to their own ego.

Having played and coached in both types of organizations, I will add that as important as it is that the coaches understand what kind of league they are coaching in, it is doubly-important that parents understand what kind of the league they are getting their kids involved in.



Whether you have volunteer dads in Little League, or you have paid "professionals" helming travel orgs, they keep putting winning above development. And winning doesn't mean diddly before you hit high school. Too many kids get pushed out of the sport needlessly, because they don't have the skills at a young age, and no one helps them ... because those in charge want a "W". Too many kids get burnt out or injured, because they're overused at a young age ... because those in charge want a "W".

For better or worse, Babe Ruth, Pony League and American Legion don't even matter anymore. Nobody that's any good plays them. By the time you reach that age, you're playing high school and/or travel/club/AAU/tourney/showcase ball. Only the kids not good enough, or interested enough, to play travel/showcase ball play those other leagues now.

Here's the major issues with youth baseball:

"Little League" (community-based baseball) is typically run by dads who just want to relive their glory years (or missed glory years, because they stunk, but they swear their kid will be awesome) via their kids. Their kid is the SS and the main P, or wherever he wants to play. His buddies' kids are assistant coaches and get preferential treatment. And they usually play to win, meaning they screw the lesser kids out of playing time. So, where you say they have minimum playing time requirements, which makes it fairer ... well, those minimum playing time requirements are basically nothing, and those coaches tend to stick to them. So that kid who struggles? He only gets his 1 AB and minimum field time. And, if you run into a coach who gives equal playing time, and moves kids around ... well, they're usually not baseball guys who provide any actual instruction.

What you SHOULD have in this space is fairly equal playing time AND parents who give a crap and have knowledge about the game to correct major and minor flaws. It should be about instruction and repetition. Instead, it's about winning that game.
 
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Not a stupid question ... and Tom has covered the main points.

The thing I've learned this year, from having boys playing travel baseball, and also going through the Little League stuff, is that Little League is pretty average baseball. First, since Little League (at least this tourney) is played on a 46/60 field (the smallest possible), most towns - especially those that play better baseball - have moved on from Little League and gone to Cal Ripken. Little League does now offer a 50/70 (Intermediate - a slightly bigger field) option, but most teams that stick with Little League stay at 46/60. For bigger 12 year olds, 46/60 is really awkward to play on. And lazy fly balls are HRs. Routine slow grounders are actually "infield singles" if they aren't hit directly to someone because the bases are so close. Around here, at least 80% of the towns, and most of the ones with better programs, aren't affiliated with Little League. The Middleboro, MA team that made it to the LLWS wouldn't have made it very far in an eastern MA regional if they played against a field of all the MA teams.

Additionally, town-based baseball is now less and less of a concern. Increasingly, better kids are just skipping it altogether ... at least when they reach a certain age and a certain skill level. It's mostly about travel (or however you refer to it - club, AAU, etc.) baseball. Obviously the better travel orgs, with their pick of better players from multiple towns, would destroy these Little League teams ... so it's kinda hard to watch LL and get excited about it, because a lot of kids are playing better games against better competition weekly. It's not like it used to be, with kids stuck on their lesser town teams wondering what it would be like to play against/with those big kids throwing upper 60's/lower 70's ... they do that now all the time. And they've been playing 50/70 since they were 11 (at least).
Thanks for the response. I get confused with our local little league scene because we have all the kids who just do the township rec league, then you have the ones on the travel teams for our township and then others at the elementary level on more regional travel teams. It gets hard to keep track of. I guess it’s similar to basketball which is what I always played.

in the local Philly news today there’s a ton of articles about a team from NJ who won the Ripken World Series this week (I think the 10u team but I read the article a few hours ago so I might have the age group wrong). Anyway, thanks for clarifying because I didn’t realize how different the rules were for the LLWS.
 
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