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Is this news from a reliable source? Past couple of days we have been teased of a big hire and big names and no shade to Loggains but if true how is this not a disappointment with our supposed hotlist and described interest in the position per Beamer
 

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Man, I seriously hope this is not the direction Beamer is going. Most fans were willing to give Beamer a mulligan after the Satterfield hire since he was hired in a pinch. But, now, Beamer is in excellent position to make a hire. Even if we can't get one of the marquee names like Riley or Briles, there are any number of good options out there.

This hire will not energize the fan base OR recruits. At all. Not that those are the primary reasons you hire someone, but his resume just looks rough. Maybe we continue to overestimate how attractive the job is. I thought with how the offense finished down the stretch and with Rattler potentially returning, some OC would jump on the job, but maybe not. Maybe Loggains is all we can get.

If so, this is very, very depressing.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Man, I seriously hope this is not the direction Beamer is going. Most fans were willing to give Beamer a mulligan after the Satterfield hire since he was hired in a pinch. But, now, Beamer is in excellent position to make a hire. Even if we can't get one of the marquee names like Riley or Briles, there are any number of good options out there.

This hire will not energize the fan base OR recruits. At all. Not that those are the primary reasons you hire someone, but his resume just looks rough. Maybe we continue to overestimate how attractive the job is. I thought with how the offense finished down the stretch and with Rattler potentially returning, some OC would jump on the job, but maybe not. Maybe Loggains is all we can get.

If so, this is very, very depressing.
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Yea, I don't need a "name" hire - but at least someone with a history of success on the college level. At the very least it should be success on any level. Someone on twitter posted these stats on Loggains as an OC:

2016 Bears OC: 17ppg (28th/32)
2017 Bears OC: 16.5ppg (29th/32)
2018 Dolphins OC: 19.9ppg (26th/32)
2019 Jets OC: 17.2ppg (31st/32)
2020 Jets OC: 15.2ppg (32nd/32)
2021: ARK TE Coach

He keeps getting work, so maybe he did a remarkable job in bad places. One thing though - "pro style" only works in college if you know how to dumb it down for college kids (something Satt was accused of not being able to do). Hopefully Loggains has learned a ton about that the last two years if he's coming to USC.
 
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2016: Matt Barkley

2017: Mitch Trubisky

2018: Ryan Tannehill

2019: Sam Darnold

2020: Sam Darnold
 
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ToddFlanders said:
Yea, I don't need a "name" hire - but at least someone with a history of success on the college level. At the very least it should be success on any level. Someone on twitter posted these stats on Loggains as an OC:

2016 Bears OC: 17ppg (28th/32)
2017 Bears OC: 16.5ppg (29th/32)
2018 Dolphins OC: 19.9ppg (26th/32)
2019 Jets OC: 17.2ppg (31st/32)
2020 Jets OC: 15.2ppg (32nd/32)
2021: ARK TE Coach

He keeps getting work, so maybe he did a remarkable job in bad places. One thing though - "pro style" only works in college if you know how to dumb it down for college kids (something Satt was accused of not being able to do). Hopefully Loggains has learned a ton about that the last two years if he's coming to
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In looking at these teams, it is my hope that this is more of an indictment of the talent level than Loggains ... for example, I am a NY Jet fan and can tell you both the HC (Adam Gase) and talent level (trenches, receivers, RB's, and the D) were horrific. The Bears were horrible those two years ... the Dolphins were meh ... along the lines of Bobby Bowden's comment, "it's not a big secret ... recruit better players" (paraphrased) ... we shall see ...
 
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ToddFlanders said:
Yea, I don't need a "name" hire - but at least someone with a history of success on the college level. At the very least it should be success on any level.
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I'm not stuck on a "name" either. I think it's more important to go after someone with some success, even if from a lower level. Give me an OC who has shown to field an aggressive offense with some signs of success to point to.

This hire? This thread already shows that the best we can say about it is that his players sucked at multiple stops, that's why he doesn't have a history of success. That is not a ringing endorsement in my eyes.
 
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I'm not stuck on a "name" either. I think it's more important to go after someone with some success, even if from a lower level. Give me an OC who has shown to field an aggressive offense with some signs of success to point to.

This hire? This thread already shows that the best we can say about it is that his players sucked at multiple stops, that's why he doesn't have a history of success. That is not a ringing endorsement in my eyes.
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Yep, don't need a splash name, but I feel like we should at least get someone who has shown success. What's odd to me, looking at his resume, he's never lasted anywhere more than two years and I think he's been fired from each position. Some of those are because the head coach was fired and the new coach didn't retain him.

The one thing people are saying about him is that players love him.
 
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Arky folks seem to like him and his recruiting prowess based on what I'm reading on their boards.
 
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This is the third thread I have seen all naming different OCs as being the one. Hey people….Elvis has left the building.

I think I will wait on actual factual word on a hiring before I get excited or worried. UT fans knew for a fact Gruden was going to be their coach cause he had as the rumor went “just purchased land in Maryville” so no doubt it was him. See how that worked out.
 
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This is the third thread I have seen all naming different OCs as being the one. Hey people….Elvis has left the building.

I think I will wait on actual factual word on a hiring before I get excited or worried. UT fans knew for a fact Gruden was going to be their coach cause he had as the rumor went “just purchased land in Maryville” so no doubt it was him. See how that worked out.
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The Mullen rumor were very clear just rumors. Nobody reputable was weighing in. Numerous reputable folks are now talking about Loggains, so it seems to have much more merit.
 
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The Mullen rumor were very clear just rumors. Nobody reputable was weighing in. Numerous reputable folks are now talking about Loggains, so it seems to have much more merit.
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I know nothing about him….but someone linked an Arkansas rivals sit post above and most comments were the guy was a big asset did more with less. Thought it was a loss for them recruiting wise and coaching from what I garnered
 
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I know nothing about him….but someone linked an Arkansas rivals sit post above and most comments were the guy was a big asset did more with less. Thought it was a loss for them recruiting wise and coaching from what I garnered
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Yeah, who knows? The word is great guy, great recruiter, players like him, etc. Nobody has offered up any reason to believe he can be an effective OC.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Yeah, who knows? The word is great guy, great recruiter, players like him, etc. Nobody has offered up any reason to believe he can be an effective OC.
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I will judge him after we play some games next year. Many complained about Beamer. And while we can agree we have been inconsistent, we are trending up with Shane these last two years, especially with what he inherited
 
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This hire? This thread already shows that the best we can say about it is that his players sucked at multiple stops, that's why he doesn't have a history of success. That is not a ringing endorsement in my eyes.
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Measuring success in the NFL is more difficult than CFB. Everybody's defense is talented and there is so much hit & miss with QB evals.

Regardless....this is not an inspiring resume we are looking at & this is a critical hire for Shane Beamer.
 
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When we were in an offensive roll, in much better shape this round hiring an OC(all agreed) to hire a guy nobody knows, who is not currently an OC, makes no sense at all. We heard Beamers phone was ringing off the hook and that is the best hire? The only thing that makes sense is $ or lack of it being given to Shane for the hire. Would any other SEC school hire this guy for OC? I seriously doubt it. Seems like every time we have a chance to catch up - hopefully- with the big boys something unexplainable happens. That would be the case here! My friend who is a huge Arky fans and knows football said they would not want him as their OC. This guy would know - I trust his word over anything I hear from anyone here. I love Beamer but that would include him too. This guy may be a good coach but obviously is not a proven effective OC. After the Tennessee and Clemson games that would be very disheartening.
 
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I keep seeing things online like "he was just put in not-so-great situations in the NFL." Well, if that's understood to be the case, why didn't anyone in the NFL ever think enough of him to put him in a good situation?
 
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When we were in an offensive roll, in much better shape this round hiring an OC(all agreed) to hire a guy nobody knows, who is not currently an OC, makes no sense at all. We heard Beamers phone was ringing off the hook and that is the best hire? The only thing that makes sense is $ or lack of it being given to Shane for the hire. Would any other SEC school hire this guy for OC? I seriously doubt it. Seems like every time we have a chance to catch up - hopefully- with the big boys something unexplainable happens. That would be the case here! My friend who is a huge Arky fans and knows football said they would not want him as their OC. This guy would know - I trust his word over anything I hear from anyone here. I love Beamer but that would include him too. This guy may be a good coach but obviously is not a proven effective OC. After the Tennessee and Clemson games that would be very disheartening.
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A resounding nope. MSU tried to hire a guy who was a life long NFL assistant and was neither an OC or DC at any point in his career. We all agree that Clemson has $$$, but they hired a DC that had zero on-the-field coaching experience and was simply a defensive analyst. Clemson's OC also didn't have much experience before assuming that role. That is just a couple off the top of my head.....sure I can find plenty more. And the only ones I heard that said Beamer's phone is ringing off the hook was posters on fan sites that because of their garnet-colored glasses couldn't conceive of anything less.

Also, success or failure in the NFL means nothing in college football or vice versa. Charlie Weis, Steve Spurrier and Lou Holtz prove that.
 
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