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I'd prefer 16 but I'd be ok with 8. Bottom line is i dislike byes. I would not have AQs at all if I had my way. Top 16 of the rankings are in. Conferences can do whatever they want to decide a champion. Doesn't matter. To each his own. Personally I would eliminate a CCG.
Yes ranking should be done by computer. Cant say I like the idea of at-larges tho. It suggests someone is inviting based on the criteria in one's head at the time. Just invite the top teams. Period. Why the powers that be can turn something so easy in to something so complicated is mind blowing. And to be honest, I don't much care how they want to decide where to play. Neutral, home or whatever. With no byes, giving the higher seed home field seems fair in the first round tho.
I like it and I like 16, first round only at higher seeds home field and re-seed after first round!
 

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All rounds through the semi-finals at home for the higher seed.
Unfortunately, the bowl commissions will never go for that. Also, some of the B1G stadiums are not equipped for winter games - believe it or not.
 

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After the top 8-10 teams, it's a waste of time. Teams below that level just are not competitive. No need to play boring games.
 

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Well they do have a contract! I like it though, my only issue is Notre Dame! They can play anyone they want and they are going to be in 95% of the time, it's just not fair to the field!
As part of their joining the ACC yet maintaining football independence, the agreement wiuth the ACC is that the Irish will schedule 5 footballs games each season againbst ACC schools. Thus, they do have asome limitations.
 

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Unfortunately, the bowl commissions will never go for that. Also, some of the B1G stadiums are not equipped for winter games - believe it or not.
These bowls can invite teams that lose in the first or second round. After losing to the Horns, why couldn't Clemron the accept a bid, for example, to the Orange Bowl?
 

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Right. We should no longer schedule schools such Akron and Wofford. Boring.
Exactly! P4 schools should not be allowed to schedule FCS schools or teams that are not P4 programs. If they do schedule them, wins against them should not count towards bowl eligibility. The cupcake games do nothing but pad coaches win/loss records and let terrible teams become bowl eligible.
 

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Exactly! P4 schools should not be allowed to schedule FCS schools or teams that are not P4 programs. If they do schedule them, wins against them should not count towards bowl eligibility. The cupcake games do nothing but pad coaches win/loss records and let terrible teams become bowl eligible.
The positive is that it gives third stringers some playing time, and an opportunity for fans to attend games they might not otherwise be able to afford.

But I do think a top tier G5 or FCS team will make for a competitive game. I also think that there should be a G5 playoff as well.
 

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Exactly! It’s a contract!
In force for only one more year and revisable well ahead of its expiration. We're not exactly stuck with this crap. The question is, will changes be cosmetic or substantive. They need to be the latter.
 
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No AQ’s isn’t going to happen. They simply will not have enough votes from the conferences. Every other sport in college and most professional sports for that matter, have AQ’s for winning your division, conference, etc. college football shouldn’t be any different. I would be all for splitting off the group of 5 though and telling them to kick rocks. AQ’s were a unanimous decision amongst the conferences when this contract was made. They are not going away.
 

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The 2 prime time playoff games drew the 2nd and 3rd most viewers of any college football games this season.

The opening games averaged more viewers than the non-CFP New Year's bowls after the 2023 season. And they also topped the average for this year's four major conference championship games.

The 2 playoffs shown by TNT were the most watched college football games ever shown on TNT.

I'm not surprised by any of this. You can bet your bottom dollar that after the 2-year contract expires after this year's games, the number of participants will increase to either 14 or 16-teams. The networks see the $$$$ from these games.

The NCAA basketball tournament proved long ago that college football playoffs would be popular with the masses. Most college basketball teams in the "Big Dance" have little chance at winning the national championship. So what? Conference championships mean little when a couple of conferences are akin to winning a minor league championship. Of course I'd feel differently if I was in one of those minor leagues. But, even then, I'd know deep down inside that I was simply talking my book and, thus, was biasedly WRONG. Flying a banner bragging they are champion of the pee wee league should be reward enough for those people. College football simply needs to adopt the selection and seeding criteria is based exclusively on merit to work out the kinks. When exceptions are made, then there is no merit. I suspect they will.
I look at this the way Eddie Robinson, the late great Grambling coach, looked at football in general. "You've got to put strength on strength and let weakness go to hell," he said.

Technology exists to exclude the pretenders. Use it. Excise everyone who doesn't deserve a chance to play on the Big Stage.
 
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I have made that point in other threads. Even though there was sometimes some controversy, "national champion" in FBS football always meant you were the best team that year. When you introduce playoffs, especially expanded playoffs, you add more degrees of randomness to the process. "National champion" simply comes to mean "playoff champion." It's why the NFL produces a "Superbowl Champion" and not an "NFL Champion."

If people are fine with that, OK, but it's a fundamental change to FBS/I-A college football.
I've said it for years, but "nobody listen to me". 🙄
 

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60% of all college football playoff games in the past decade were won by at least 3 touchdowns. 2/3 were decided by double digits. And that was when there were only 4 teams in the playoffs. To pin the blame on the blowouts in the first round to expanding to 12 teams is simply showing one's preference against expansion. No selection process can ever be perfect. But anything that takes out human subjectivity and bias is better than the current selection and seeding process. With all due respect to those against expansion, pinning the blame on expansion is looking in the wrong place.
 

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60% of all college football playoff games in the past decade were won by at least 3 touchdowns. 2/3 were decided by double digits. And that was when there were only 4 teams in the playoffs. To pin the blame on the blowouts in the first round to expanding to 12 teams is simply showing one's preference against expansion. No selection process can ever be perfect. But anything that takes out human subjectivity and bias is better than the current selection and seeding process. With all due respect to those against expansion, pinning the blame on expansion is looking in the wrong place.
There's no way that going from four to 12 teams adds a proportional quantity of excellence. No way. All you do is add games featuring lesser teams to make more money.
 

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There's no way that going from four to 12 teams adds a proportional quantity of excellence. No way. All you do is add games featuring lesser teams to make more money.
Totally agree. Just saying that is not THE reason for the blowouts. There are and have been poor decision-making by the committee. Blowouts have been happening long before now. In fact, I believe the championship game a couple of years ago between supposedly the top 2 teams, UGA and TCU was a blowout, 65 -7.
 
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I believe the championship game a couple of years ago between supposedly the top 2 teams, UGA and TCU was a blowout, 65 -7.
Yes, that playoff was a perfect example of how an expanded playoff added enough randomness to the process that we ended up with an absolute crap championship game. TCU was good enough on a given night to beat Michigan. Michigan was probably good enough on a given night to beat Georgia. But TCU was NEVER EVER going to beat Georgia.

"Cinderella" was good enough on one night to beat Michigan and thereby deprive us of seeing the two best teams in the country play in the national title game.
 

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Yes, that playoff was a perfect example of how an expanded playoff added enough randomness to the process that we ended up with an absolute crap championship game. TCU was good enough on a given night to beat Michigan. Michigan was probably good enough on a given night to beat Georgia. But TCU was NEVER EVER going to beat Georgia.

"Cinderella" was good enough on one night to beat Michigan and thereby deprive us of seeing the two best teams in the country play in the national title game.
The realistic fact we must all accept is that the genie long ago got out of the bottle. There will be even further expansion. We are a capitalist country. The DOLLAR rules. People watch, on TV, playoffs, whether it is basketball, baseball, and, yes, football. Rather than complaining about expansion that has and will happen, focus attention and efforts on fixing the selection and seeding problem. That's my $2.00 worth.
 

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No AQ’s isn’t going to happen. They simply will not have enough votes from the conferences. Every other sport in college and most professional sports for that matter, have AQ’s for winning your division, conference, etc. college football shouldn’t be any different. I would be all for splitting off the group of 5 though and telling them to kick rocks. AQ’s were a unanimous decision amongst the conferences when this contract was made. They are not going away.
I think you mean FBS shouldn't be any different, since every other collegiate division has had playoffs with AQs for several decades.
 

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The CFP is a money grab by and for ESPN. Nothing more, Nothing less.

Those of you attempting to interject statistics/reasoning/alternatives/downsizing for a better product are participating in an exercise in futility.
 

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The CFP is a money grab by and for ESPN. Nothing more, Nothing less.

Those of you attempting to interject statistics/reasoning/alternatives/downsizing for a better product are participating in an exercise in futility.
I imagine that the NCAA gets more $$$ as well. I compare this to basketball.
 

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The CFP is a money grab by and for ESPN. Nothing more, Nothing less.

Those of you attempting to interject statistics/reasoning/alternatives/downsizing for a better product are participating in an exercise in futility.
This is a problem only when there is no competition, and the consumer has no alternative product.
The only remedy for change is to stop watching.
 

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This is a problem only when there is no competition, and the consumer has no alternative product.
The only remedy for change is to stop watching.
 

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The CFP is a money grab by and for ESPN. Nothing more, Nothing less.

Those of you attempting to interject statistics/reasoning/alternatives/downsizing for a better product are participating in an exercise in futility.
Of course it is. We are all capitalists here, I think. We all want to make more money. Disney owns ESPN. I'm not a Disney shareholder. But, if I was, I'd say "Expand, baby". I'm not surprised at the expansion to 12. I am, though, surprised it took so long. I really, really don't believe we will have to wait long for expansion to 14 or 16.

I just want to see changes in the selection and seeding process. I don't like "byes" nor automatic selections, especially for teams playing in pee wee conferences. But, that's me. Money is the American way. So is merit.