Man U vs Liverpool in Willy B!

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NO!! I actually like that soccer has stuck to it's rules. I can't stand when I'm watching a game and I see some new stupid rule change that I didn't know happened. I love that approach by soccer. It's about the sport. It's about the game. If you don't like it, don't watch it.

I watch NBA games (very little) and the whole time I'm thinking "this is waaaay to easy." Yesterday there were 11 NBA games. 17 teams scored more than 100 points. In 8 of the games both teams scored more than 100. It's like watching a game of horse. It used to be an accomplishment to score more than 100. Now it's an expectation. We're going to see 200 point games soon. Totally boring and unwatchable to me. You'll never get that in soccer.
In the same vein, I HATE what baseball has done, other than the pitch clock. Putting people on second base in extra-innings is tops on the list of atrocities.
 
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The only soccer game I've ever been to was when my son like five years old. But I bought eight tickets for this.
 

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In the same vein, I HATE what baseball has done, other than the pitch clock. Putting people on second base in extra-innings is tops the list of atrocities.
I didn't know they did that until I watched a game. I was dumbfounded. I hate the pitch clock too. They're changing rules on the shift. It's all stupid. If Matt Olson is really worth $21M/yr, he better be able to slap the ball into LF.
 

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The only soccer game I've ever been to was when my son like five years old. But I bought eight tickets for this.
Awesome! Give it a chance. I hated the game when I never watched it. But when my kids got into it, I did too. It's a great sport. Don't just watch to see the scoring. Watch how they move defenders around when they attack, how they play angles, etc...the strategy is what is so fun for me. It's an extremely difficult sport to excel at. I think soccer and baseball are the 2 hardest to play.
 

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I don't follow soccer. At all. The closest I come is the brief moment every 4 years when we fall into believing that we'll actually be good that year.

However, I saw an article ranking World Cup soccer scores. The most common result was 1-0, that happened in 19% of all WC games. Americans simply do not have the attention span for that on a large scale. Baseball, football and basketball have all seen significant changes designed explicitly to generate faster-paced and higher scoring games. Game length isn't a problem with soccer, but the scores are.

I think every 4 years, Americans can get into it, but not on any kind of sustained basis. Soccer's been around a long time.

Side note, but for those who follow soccer closely: why don't soccer fans b*tch and moan for instant replay/review? When I've seen soccer during the WC, there are questionable/close/missed calls, but the game just keeps moving on. Is it just whiny Americans who need instant replay/review?
VAR was used in Qatar. I believe they review every goal scored. Review if a penalty occurred in the 18 yard box. Review offsides if a goal was scored. Review if a penalty needs to be upgraded to a red card.
 

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Full disclosure, I'm not a soccer fan. But I've often thought the two main things holding soccer back in the US as a spectator sport were lack of scoring and lack of exciting endings. Football, basketball, and baseball, in addition to _usually_ having more frequent scoring, all have the real potential for a buzzer beater, last second field goal/TD, or walk-off hit that wins a game. It seems with a few rules modifications, soccer could quickly become quite popular as a spectator sport in the US:

1) smaller field
2) bigger goal
3) a game clock with accurate time left in the half/game (no more stoppage minutes)
4) a 2-point line somewhere on the field (score from behind that line and you get 2 points)
I remember in the late 70's while living in St. Louis they came out with indoor soccer leagues, soccer played in ice hockey arenas (without the ice of course). It incorporated a lot of what you suggested. And for the same reasons: to garner American interest. We had the St. Louis Steamers. And remember, St. Louis is considered the cradle of American soccer. It didn't last very long. I love me some NHL hockey.
 

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VAR was used in Qatar. I believe they review every goal scored. If a penalty occurred in the 18 yard box. Review offsides if a goal was scored. Review if a penalty needs to be upgraded to a red card.

Ah, so whininess transcends culture!
 

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Yeah. To me it's just a sad commentary on the American public. Sport is supposed to be an escape from the real world. Supposed to be entertainment. And we find ourselves trying to speed it up to get it over with faster. Went to a Braves game and missed a whole inning going to get dipping dots. Pissed me off!
It's definitely a different mindset over there. My wife and I were in London last year in April. My son, who stayed in the US, wanted us to pick up an Arsenal jersey for him (Arsenal was at or near the top of the PL standings most of the season). We looked in several different sportswear stores and couldn't find an Arsenal jersey anywhere. I asked a clerk at one place where I could find one and he explained that given Arsenal's success that year and because we were in the last month of the season, he didn't think I'd find one anywhere except perhaps at the team store out by the stadium. I asked when they expected to get any more Arsenal jerseys and he said "Not 'til next season, mate."

We were kind of dumbfounded. Can you imagine going to NYC during a year in which the Yankees were leading the AL and not being able to find a Yankees jersey? They'd be EVERYWHERE. There would be way too much money to be made selling Yankees jerseys to not actually have any on the shelves. They'd do whatever they had to do to ramp up the production in whatever Chinese factory makes them. haha

I'm not sure Americans' short attention spans or constant need to tweak our sports is inherently bad, however. At least compared to the Brits, Americans don't have a high tolerance for things that don't work well (have you ever tried to dry your clothes in one of those British washer/dryer combos?), so it drives us to _fix_ things. Sometimes that's good, sometimes bad.
 

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Full disclosure, I'm not a soccer fan. But I've often thought the two main things holding soccer back in the US as a spectator sport were lack of scoring and lack of exciting endings. Football, basketball, and baseball, in addition to _usually_ having more frequent scoring, all have the real potential for a buzzer beater, last second field goal/TD, or walk-off hit that wins a game. It seems with a few rules modifications, soccer could quickly become quite popular as a spectator sport in the US:

1) smaller field
2) bigger goal
3) a game clock with accurate time left in the half/game (no more stoppage minutes)
4) a 2-point line somewhere on the field (score from behind that line and you get 2 points)
The only change I would make is eliminate the Penalty Shoot Out. I do not think a match should be determined by a PSO.
 

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Why can Americans not be asked to do this with any other sport?
Bc TV networks are trying to sell the games to average "fans". The biggest scam was making CFB quicker, and just making commercial breaks longer to fill the time. That was fun. They've made the NBA unwatchable. Everyone in the NBA is 6'8 now, and can traverse the court in 5 steps. I think it would be good to increase the court size and raise the rims.

There are no average fans in EPL, Bundesliga, or La Liga.
 

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The last noticeable changes in Soccer I think is the substitution from three to five player for each per a game. That started during the 2020 Covid 19 outbreak.

I did see an increase in added time in Qatar 2022 World Cup. I think a few matches went 15 minutes of added time which about double the time that is usually added on. Maybe it was due to the two water breaks during the match.
 

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The only change I would make is eliminate the Penalty Shoot Out. I do not think a match should be determined by a PSO.
You wouldn't get behind a clock that stopped during stoppages - so that everybody in the stadium new exactly how much time was left in the game? As a non-soccer fan, that seems like an obvious one to me, and one that wouldn't greatly effect significant tradition.
 

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You wouldn't get behind a clock that stopped during stoppages - so that everybody in the stadium new exactly how much time was left in the game? As a non-soccer fan, that seems like an obvious one to me, and one that wouldn't greatly effect significant tradition.
No. You know exactly how many minutes are added. Granted, you don't know until close to the end of the half. But you still know.
 

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No. You know exactly how many minutes are added. Granted, you don't know until close to the end of the half. But you still know.
1984 has a point. Sometimes the referee will allow the match to go on after the added time has expired due to the silliness of flopping, faking an injury, using all of their five substations during the added time period. When play goes on after the added time has expired the fans start the jeering and hootin & hollarin and throwing beer cups on to the field.
 

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Why can't they just stop the clock during a, you know, stoppage?
Bc it's a simple sport. There's only one referee and two ARs . It's part of the reason it's the most popular sport in the world. There are very little rules in soccer. I've seen HS matches here in SC refereed by one guy, no ARs.
 

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Full disclosure, I'm not a soccer fan. But I've often thought the two main things holding soccer back in the US as a spectator sport were lack of scoring and lack of exciting endings. Football, basketball, and baseball, in addition to _usually_ having more frequent scoring, all have the real potential for a buzzer beater, last second field goal/TD, or walk-off hit that wins a game. It seems with a few rules modifications, soccer could quickly become quite popular as a spectator sport in the US:

1) smaller field
2) bigger goal
3) a game clock with accurate time left in the half/game (no more stoppage minutes)
4) a 2-point line somewhere on the field (score from behind that line and you get 2 points)
How about letting them use their hands like any other worth-a-damn sport? And the flopping must end too.
 

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I think the reason they do not stop the clock is all the running they do. I think some of them can run up to seven miles a game.
I guess I haven't fully woken up this morning because I'm not understanding this. Are they doing a lot of running during a stoppage? Wouldn't added time mean even more running? I need another cup of coffee. 🙂
 

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I guess I haven't fully woken up this morning because I'm not understanding this. Are they doing a lot of running during a stoppage? Wouldn't added time mean even more running? I need another cup of coffee. 🙂
Stoppage is up to the ref's discretion. So if you came up with rules around when to stop the clock you're going to extend the game longer than the ref would with stoppage time. Soccer doesn't need any more rules. The main issue with it in the US is soccer in the US is terrible. If you watch a MLS match vs an EPL match you will see a vast difference in the quality of play. It's gaining in popularity, but it's going to take time to erode current interest in the 3 main sports.
 

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Stoppage is up to the ref's discretion. So if you came up with rules around when to stop the clock you're going to extend the game longer than the ref would with stoppage time. Soccer doesn't need any more rules. The main issue with it in the US is soccer in the US is terrible. If you watch a MLS match vs an EPL match you will see a vast difference in the quality of play. It's gaining in popularity, but it's going to take time to erode current interest in the 3 main sports.
In American football official's time-outs are at their discretion aren't they? And the clock starts back at their discretion. I'm now on my second cup. ☕️

PS: in my case American sports are the 4 main ones. 🙂
 
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I went and looked at the public ticket sales a few minutes ago, and there seems to be no more than 200 tickets left.
 

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What will be the specific benefits to the University from this event, aside from financial?

The announcement said it'll be great opportunity to showcase the University. How will that be done?

It's obviously a great event to host, but beyond being an event, is there any anticipated impact?
 

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In American football official's time-outs are at their discretion aren't they? And the clock starts back at their discretion. I'm now on my second cup. ☕️

PS: in my case American sports are the 4 main ones. 🙂
There's a whole list of reasons the clock stops in football. The NFL has 7 refs on the field, one of which is the official time keeper. They don't stop and start the clock whenever they want. There are specific things that stop and start the clock.

It's just a much easier and simpler way to time the game. A village in Ghana can run a soccer match just as a World Cup final.
 

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What will be the specific benefits to the University from this event, aside from financial?

The announcement said it'll be great opportunity to showcase the University. How will that be done?

It's obviously a great event to host, but beyond being an event, is there any anticipated impact?
I hope there will be some kind of segment showcasing the university. I know they do a GameDay type show as well for EPL. Not sure if there's a plan to do something like that on site, but that would be cool. There will be people from all over the country travelling in to see this that would have never come to USC for any other reason.

You're also showcasing it for the league itself. Do a good job with it and have them come back for future matches.
 

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There's a whole list of reasons the clock stops in football. The NFL has 7 refs on the field, one of which is the official time keeper. They don't stop and start the clock whenever they want. There are specific things that stop and start the clock.

It's just a much easier and simpler way to time the game. A village in Ghana can run a soccer match just as a World Cup final.
Easier and simpler? I like to look at the clock and know how much time is left without having to do math. 🙂
 

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I hope there will be some kind of segment showcasing the university. I know they do a GameDay type show as well for EPL. Not sure if there's a plan to do something like that on site, but that would be cool. There will be people from all over the country travelling in to see this that would have never come to USC for any other reason.

You're also showcasing it for the league itself. Do a good job with it and have them come back for future matches.

Yeah, that's what I was wondering. If it was just going to be a TV broadcast of a soccer game at WB and that's it.
 

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Billy Graham and Pope John Paul II have filled the stadium too. I know it's hard for us to imagine anything bigger than Taylor Swift :ROFLMAO: but those events probably qualify as being bigger than football. lol
The biggest crowd to ever attend an event at W-B was 85,199 for the 2001 Clemson game.
 
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I think the reason they do not stop the clock is all the running they do. I think some of them can run up to seven miles a game.
Yeah, they have a timer to keep track of time elapsed whenever play is stopped. The game clock continues running, but after regulation time ends the stoppage time starts running down.
 

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I'm pretty sure I won't be in the area then, so I'm bummed to miss out, but glad for USC and Columbia.
It's something we can do that Clem cannot. They can't handle the inflow of so many travelers like we can. From that standpoint alone, it's worth it. :ROFLMAO:
 
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