Mel Tucker’s got guts
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Tucker is no saint here. He cheated on his wife. That much is clear. But when you look at the facts of this case and see how many phone calls they had between them, how long those calls were, and at what time a day they occurred…it’s easy to see there was some compliance on the other end.
In my opinion, the media is scared to death to question someone that’s gone through what she’s gone through. But just because of her past, it doesn’t mean she is innocent in every case. It’s pretty obvious they had discussions of this nature regularly, and she was often the instigator.
From the university’s perspective, MSU just found a way out of paying Tucker about $70 million dollars.
In my opinion, the media is scared to death to question someone that’s gone through what she’s gone through. But just because of her past, it doesn’t mean she is innocent in every case. It’s pretty obvious they had discussions of this nature regularly, and she was often the instigator.
From the university’s perspective, MSU just found a way out of paying Tucker about $70 million dollars.
Until he proves it was consensual and sues them for $100 million
I hadn't heard a thing about it until last night.
Supposedly he's done at MSU.
She alleges that he pleasured himself while on the phone with her. I wonder how you can prove that?
Supposedly he's done at MSU.
She alleges that he pleasured himself while on the phone with her. I wonder how you can prove that?
They wanted to pay him $70m. It would be their preference for this to go away and pay him the money. Unfortunately, with the gymnastics scandal on their resume with the doctor, they are likely going to be forced to let him go.
Remember Duke Lacross? Wait until all the facts come out before judging him.
Ahhh, gotcha. Guess the only argument is whether it was consensual or not. I see he's saying she was trying to get him to pay her monthly payments to be his "girlfriend." Could the allegations be the retaliation of a jilted mistress?
Either way, what a dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb thing to do.
He didn’t deny it. But said it was consensual. I more so wonder how you can’t hang up and sit on the phone for 37 minutes until he’s finished.
He wasn’t performing that great since he signed that big contract. That might have been the worst move in college sports history. There was no reason he was worthy of that contract. It was social justice move on their part. They know they screwed up now.
Of course they don’t like this. Of course they’d prefer this not to happen. But they are certainly making the most of the opportunity to can the guy with cause.
Yes, Mel Tucker at best is a complete moron. But many men have fallen the same way. Just don’t think the woman is anywhere near as innocent as she’s projecting and being projected. She knows with her past, nobody in the mainstream media would dare question her.
They certainly went a long time with late night calls, talks about dating and infidelity, and flirtations. And sounds like she instigated much of it. Not sure how Mel Tucker couldn’t be accusing her of the same misconduct she’s accusing him.
It was an all-time stupid deal. He had a 7-12 coaching record, then pops to an 11-2 season and they gave him a 10 year, $95 million fully guaranteed contract. A fully guaranteed contract for a guy with 3 years of head coach experience and an 18-14 record. Nutzo.
Even if it was consensual, with their checkered past connected to Larry Nassar, there's no way they're going to stand by Tucker in all of this. Maybe they pay him to make this thing go away quietly and let Tucker and the lady sort it out on their own. If they try to fire him for-cause and not pay him a dime, there will be a guaranteed lawsuit and I don't think MSU wants the attention or scrutiny.
On Tucker's part, I don't know how you prove it was consensual...or how you prove it wasn't. It's 100% he-said she-said, and nobody is going to publicly question a gang rape victim. Unless Tucker has emails/text messages from the lady where she was trying to get monthly payments from him to be his g/f, he's toast.
Mel is dumb as dirt and a long time skirt chaser, even of alumni and fan's wives. I'm sure the school has done of all their due diligence before firing him and have documented everything. I haven't seen his contract but I am sure it has a very strong moral turpitude clause that allows them to fire him for cause over something like this.
Suspended without pay does not portend well for his outcome at Michigan State.
There's a lot of remunerative overreach in employing coaches now. We see example after example of the folly of it and how things need to trend in a different direction - way more toward the performance incentive side.
Wait...it took him 37 minutes to finish? WTAF?
And she stayed on the phone the entire time? I get the supposed frozen in fear but that wouldn't last that long. Did he tell her he was getting himself off while they were talking? Did she ever say no to him doing that while they were on the phone? Did she just hear it taking place?
Viagra took 30 mins to kick in. So, only 7 mins actually.
This was my thought as well, but I couldn't say it because I'm a man
But you're a gal and you said it, so it's fair game now! I can't think of a single woman I know who would stay on the phone for 37 seconds, much less 37 minutes in that circumstance. The vast majority would hang up instantly in disgust. Hanging up a phone is the easiest thing in the world to do. That to me is the real head-scratcher. You're not frozen in fear on the phone for 37 minutes.Tucker alleges that she sent him messages with photos and sexual content, so we shall see. That should be easily discoverable and would debunk her story entirely if true.
I can see where some of this smells like a jilted girlfriend scenario. But that may not be the case.
Not really. Prior sexual relationship does not negate saying No one time.This was my thought as well, but I couldn't say it because I'm a man
Tucker alleges that she sent him messages with photos and sexual content, so we shall see. That should be easily discoverable and would debunk her story entirely if true.
But yes, a woman is not going to stay on the phone in that situation that long unless she's a willing participant. In that case, she's talking him through it. I want to know if they were on FaceTime too. IMO that makes a difference because then she's clearly watching what he's doing. Was she participating as well (most do in this situation)? Was this the first time they did this?
Given her background, she probably has quite a bit of insight into how to set this up and how to make her case.This was my thought as well, but I couldn't say it because I'm a man
Tucker alleges that she sent him messages with photos and sexual content, so we shall see. That should be easily discoverable and would debunk her story entirely if true.
I can see where some of this smells like a jilted girlfriend scenario. But that may not be the case.
Well, it would debunk her story in the sense that it she alleges it was 100% unwelcome. If that turns out not to be true, it casts serious doubt over the whole story. You immediately ask "why did she have to lie?"
I don't know who's telling the truth. No matter how it unfolds, Tucker's a dirt bag.
I'm just way too skeptical of anyone these days to believe what anybody says. I don't put anything past anybody. Maybe she lured him and turned the tables on him as a way to raise her own profile? Maybe she fell for him but when it became clear she was just a side attraction for him, she decided to burn him. Or maybe Tucker did exactly what she alleges.
Again, not necessarily. You can be in a sexual relationship with someone but certain things be 100% unwelcome to participate in. It's one reason why safe words exist.
I guess my question as it relates to consent in this case is: if you don't consent, why don't you just hang up? This isn't a physical interaction where you can be overpowered. Obviously, she's claiming a psychological aspect with being frozen in fear, and you can't really argue that with a rape survivor.
I get she could have been frozen in fear, but I question being frozen for 37 minutes. That's why I'd like to know if they were on Facetime. Were they "talking" the entire time? Was she silent for 37 minutes? And yes, there's a big red button that ends all this instantly.
Read this if you dare, but be prepared to blush! I'm not gonna repeat any of it, but I'm even sure how some of what she alleges is physically possible...wow...I mean, well, yeah, I'll just leave it at that...
sports.yahoo.com
Mel Tucker denies 'completely false' sexual harassment allegations in scathing rebuttal
Tucker wrote that his relationship with Brenda Tracy was consensual while suggesting "an ulterior motive designed to terminate my contract."
sports.yahoo.com
No way she sat there for 37 minutes frozen in fear. Nope.Read this if you dare, but be prepared to blush! I'm not gonna repeat any of it, but I'm even sure how some of what she alleges is physically possible...wow...I mean, well, yeah, I'll just leave it at that...
Mel Tucker denies 'completely false' sexual harassment allegations in scathing rebuttal
Tucker wrote that his relationship with Brenda Tracy was consensual while suggesting "an ulterior motive designed to terminate my contract."
Basically 2 years of late night calls (read: phone sex). Wonder what pissed her off this time?
Could it be as simple as: from the guy's perspective he's just having fun and not looking for anything serious but the woman thinks an actual relationship is developing? It's a story as old time. To a man something can just be fun and physical (I don't think any physical is alleged here) but to the woman it's emotional.
She’s a liar looking for money. Yeah I said what I said.Read this if you dare, but be prepared to blush! I'm not gonna repeat any of it, but I'm even sure how some of what she alleges is physically possible...wow...I mean, well, yeah, I'll just leave it at that...
Mel Tucker denies 'completely false' sexual harassment allegations in scathing rebuttal
Tucker wrote that his relationship with Brenda Tracy was consensual while suggesting "an ulterior motive designed to terminate my contract."
Even if Tucker is telling the truth and is innocent of harassment ,it was still an idiotic move on his part to be involved with a sexual harassment counselor at his school.
She wasn't a counselor at the school. She was a guest speaker brought in to speak to athletes. I think she spoke twice.
Work relationships happen all the time with no issues whatsoever. Absent a clear no fraternization clause in a work contract, there is no issue.
Well they didn't suspend him for fraternization, but sexual harassment. That's the difference. Otherwise there is no issue with having a relationship with someone which you work if there is no policy against it.
The verdict has already been decided. No matter what actually happened, nobody is going to challenge a gang rape victim.