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18IsTheMan said:
The verdict has already been decided. No matter what actually happened, nobody is going to challenge a gang rape victim.
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For $80 million his lawyers will be happy to challenge her on this. Mel wasn't part of the gang rape and this episode is not related to rape in any way.

I think Mel is an idiot but there is too much info out there about their ongoing relationship for Mel and his attorneys to simply walk away.
 
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If you have a contract like Tucker and you start losing you know the only way they can fire you without a giant payout is if you do something stupid.He did something stupid.
 
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Tucker's side sounds fairly convincing.

www.lansingstatejournal.com

Statements from Mel Tucker, Brenda Tracy and more on Michigan State investigation

Michigan State University head football coach Mel Tucker was suspended without pay on Sunday over allegations that he sexually harassed a rape victim advocate.
www.lansingstatejournal.com

Stupid question, but I guess it's worth asking: Even if what he is alleged to have done while they were on the phone, is it illegal or does it classify as sexual assault/harassment?

Gross? Yeah. Illegal? I don't know.

Should a guy lose his job b/c he did that on the phone, in his own private time and not in connection with university business?
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Tucker's side sounds fairly convincing.

www.lansingstatejournal.com

Statements from Mel Tucker, Brenda Tracy and more on Michigan State investigation

Michigan State University head football coach Mel Tucker was suspended without pay on Sunday over allegations that he sexually harassed a rape victim advocate.
www.lansingstatejournal.com

Stupid question, but I guess it's worth asking: Even if what he is alleged to have done while they were on the phone, is it illegal or does it classify as sexual assault/harassment?

Gross? Yeah. Illegal? I don't know.

Should a guy lose his job b/c he did that on the phone, in his own private time and not in connection with university business?
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Yes to answer your questions. You see plenty of Karen's fired by their company for their companies getting embarrassed by being associated with their name.

In my opinion, he has embarrassed himself, his family and the university and it's time to go. I'm sure there's a clause in his contract that supports this but that's always subjective. My guess is that he gets fired and gets a good chunk if not all of the $$'s owed on his contract.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Tucker's side sounds fairly convincing.

www.lansingstatejournal.com

Statements from Mel Tucker, Brenda Tracy and more on Michigan State investigation

Michigan State University head football coach Mel Tucker was suspended without pay on Sunday over allegations that he sexually harassed a rape victim advocate.
www.lansingstatejournal.com

Stupid question, but I guess it's worth asking: Even if what he is alleged to have done while they were on the phone, is it illegal or does it classify as sexual assault/harassment?

Gross? Yeah. Illegal? I don't know.

Should a guy lose his job b/c he did that on the phone, in his own private time and not in connection with university business?
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Couple of things: The incident could be classified as sexual harassment due to the professional relationship of the parties involved. There are certain relationships where “consent” can’t be lawfully given….in other words actual consent is not a defense.

Regarding your last point, evidently the phone he was using wasn’t his private phone, it was a university provided phone. And he was on a university related trip to Florida when the call was made. He apparently lied about both those facts in his initial statement.

Is that enough? That’s for MSU to determine.
 
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It'll be interesting to see what happens now that he's officially been dismissed.

MSU seems not have handled this as well as folks think they should, given the stain of the Nassar situation. I'd they'd settle for partial payment just to shut Tucker up and keep this thing from going any further. I don't think they want to open this thing up to full discovery if it looks like they were sluggish in responding.

But if Tucker truly believes he's innocent and has the texts and emails to defend himself, he may soldier on with a lawsuit.
 
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But if Tucker truly believes he's innocent and has the texts and emails to defend himself, he may soldier on with a lawsuit.

What does he have to lose at this point..This was possibly the dumbest contract ever given by a university,eclipsing even the Muschamp extension at Carolina.
 
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Irvin Snibbley said:
But if Tucker truly believes he's innocent and has the texts and emails to defend himself, he may soldier on with a lawsuit.

What does he have to lose at this point..This was possibly the dumbest contract ever given by a university,eclipsing even the Muschamp extension at Carolina.
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Yeah, I'd say maybe he wants to avoid any public shame, but once the world knows you pleasured yourself on a phone call, I guess you've got nothing left to lose. He knows, given this public shame and his overall record, that he' likely done as a coach. From his side, I guess there's nothing worse that can come out. From MSU's side, I'd think they want avoid further scrutiny, particularly if they've been sitting on this info for a while as alleged.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Yeah, I'd say maybe he wants to avoid any public shame, but once the world knows you pleasured yourself on a phone call, I guess you've got nothing left to lose. He knows, given this public shame and his overall record, that he' likely done as a coach. From his side, I guess there's nothing worse that can come out. From MSU's side, I'd think they want avoid further scrutiny, particularly if they've been sitting on this info for a while as alleged.
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At least it wasn't on a Teams/Skype video meeting. Someone already got that "Idiot Award"! lol
 
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Looks like Tucker is going for mutual destruction here. Legal team just dumped info that makes his accuser looks pretty slimy. There's messages in which she acknowledges the consensual nature of their relationship and evidence that she was engaged in another consensual relationship with a separate married coach at the same time.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
Looks like Tucker is going for mutual destruction here. Legal team just dumped info that makes his accuser looks pretty slimy. There's messages in which she acknowledges the consensual nature of their relationship and evidence that she was engaged in another consensual relationship with a separate married coach at the same time.
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I think the Trevor Bauer case helps Tucker in the court of public opinion.
 
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18IsTheMan said:
An informal scan of Twitter indicates the tide may be turning against Tucker's accuser. Not that he's a good guy and she's bad, but that they at least were equally scummy.
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Bauer is in a similar boat. I am a Cleveland Indians fan and followed him closely when he played for them. Strange dude that is not particularly liked by teammates.
 
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USCBatgirl21 said:
Work relationships happen all the time with no issues whatsoever. Absent a clear no fraternization clause in a work contract, there is no issue.
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He wasn’t fired for fraternization or sexual assault. You can read the term letter below. He was ultimately fired for violating a morality clause in the contract he agreed to. The letter uses his own admitted actions to show how violated each section of that clause. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 
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18IsTheMan said:
Tucker's side sounds fairly convincing.

www.lansingstatejournal.com

Statements from Mel Tucker, Brenda Tracy and more on Michigan State investigation

Michigan State University head football coach Mel Tucker was suspended without pay on Sunday over allegations that he sexually harassed a rape victim advocate.
www.lansingstatejournal.com

Stupid question, but I guess it's worth asking: Even if what he is alleged to have done while they were on the phone, is it illegal or does it classify as sexual assault/harassment?

Gross? Yeah. Illegal? I don't know.

Should a guy lose his job b/c he did that on the phone, in his own private time and not in connection with university business?
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Read his term letter. Spells it all out.

 
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18IsTheMan said:
An informal scan of Twitter indicates the tide may be turning against Tucker's accuser. Not that he's a good guy and she's bad, but that they at least were equally scummy.
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We all know which side the hammer falls on when it comes to equally scummy.
 
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Yes, Mel Tucker at best is a complete moron. But many men have fallen the same way. Just don’t think the woman is anywhere near as innocent as she’s projecting and being projected. She knows with her past, nobody in the mainstream media would dare question her.

They certainly went a long time with late night calls, talks about dating and infidelity, and flirtations. And sounds like she instigated much of it. Not sure how Mel Tucker couldn’t be accusing her of the same misconduct she’s accusing him.
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True. But she didn't have 70m at stake. He did. Stupid to let the zipper effect endanger 70m. Some contracts have a morals clause that states they can terminate on any moral shortcoming that causes embarrassment to the University.
 
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She has now filed an emergency restraining order against Tucker to prevent the release of her personal text messages.

An odd move if you have nothing to hide.
 
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DaboSits2PeePee said:
Ooooooh.....we about to find out she a freak??!!!
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Judge granted the restraining order preventing Tucker from releasing text messages.

A local reporter was fired for rightly noting in a social media post that the accuser had lied about certain details.

There seems to be a full court press here to protect the accuser.
 
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