Michigan sign stealing...this could get fun to watch

[aTotal360]

Sources: U-M staffer bought tickets at 11 schools

Suspended Michigan staffer Connor Stalions, who is at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, multiple sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

The NCAA is expected to receive video evidence this week of illegal technology used in scouting tied to tickets purchased by Stalions, according to sources. An opposing Big Ten school looked up in-stadium surveillance video from a game earlier this year, and sources said the person in the seat of the ticket purchased by Stalions held his smart phone up and appeared to film the home team's sideline the entire game.

 

[dorndawg]

Am I the only one who doesn't really have an issue with sign-stealing? Even when it's done via electronic means, I have a hard time caring very much. Hide your signs better, I dunno.

 

[aTotal360]

Am I the only one who doesn't really have an issue with sign-stealing? Even when it's done via electronic means, I have a hard time caring very much. Hide your signs better, I dunno.

You have to draw a boundary. If not, teams like Michigan and the Patriots will be flying satellites videoing your practice and wiretapping your offices.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

If they used electronics, that's would be a no no to me.

 

[GloryDawg]

Didn't University of Michigan coach just get a show cause? Be really funny they make the play off, and he is suspended.

 

[DAWGSANDSAINTS]

There’s always been sign stealing in games (or trying to) and even spying on (or trying to) practices of upcoming opponent to try and get a slight advantage.
Have no problem with that.
Electronic sign stealing or videoing sideline activity for nefarious purposes I don’t agree with and should be banned/fined/suspended/something if team personnel is caught doing such.

 

[Shane of Pisgah]

Am I the only one who doesn't really have an issue with sign-stealing? Even when it's done via electronic means, I have a hard time caring very much. Hide your signs better, I dunno.

Yes, I think you're the only one. If someone's good enough to figure out the signals during the game in real time, fine. But it's a different matter if they're videoing it and then can go back and watch it over & over and break down the signals based on what plays are being run. That's BS.

 

[Mr. Cook]

You have to draw a boundary. If not, teams like Michigan and the Patriots will be flying satellites videoing your practice and wiretapping your offices.

Or beating on trash cans.

 

[POTUS]

Could you record a team's sideline for a couple of games and teach A.I. to decode their signals and substitution patterns? Because if a nerd coach can do that, I could see it being a huge advantage.

 

[TXDawg.sixpack]

I heard this weekend that the NCAA prohibits in-person scouting. If so, this could be really bad for Michigan.

 

[Shane of Pisgah]

I heard this weekend that the NCAA prohibits in-person scouting. If so, this could be really bad for Michigan.

Yes, there's one rule that's been in place for 30 years that prohibits scouting future opponents' games and another NCAA rule prohibits the use of recording devices.

 

[greenbean.sixpack]

From the inception of football through the 80s, a coach whispered the play in the ear of a WR and he ran in and relayed the play to the QB, probably better and more efficient than how it is done now.

 

[Hugh's Burner Phone]

Were they wire tapping coaches' headsets like a certain team in the state of Alabama?

 

[thatsbaseball]

Were they wire tapping coaches' headsets like a certain team in the state of Alabama?

Was that the same team that used to put helium in their footballs ? **

 

[BulldogBlitz]

Stallions? Great name.

 

[99jc]

years ago ole miss was caught hiding in the bushes at our practice field. they got caught and ran for their lives. at least that's the way i remember it. does anyone else remember the incident?

 

[jethreauxdawg]

years ago ole miss was caught hiding in the bushes at our practice field. they got caught and ran for their lives. at least that's the way i remember it. does anyone else remember the incident?

I member

 

[IBleedMaroonDawg]

Harbaugh has been obsessed with Bama and LSU saying he couldn't pay players like these other SEC schools could. Now he can and he stilll complains it's not an even playing field never once considering the fact that he was such an ******* who it turns out is cheating. I can't believe he has as much trouble as he lets on either.

 

[paindonthurt_]

Am I the only one who doesn't really have an issue with sign-stealing? Even when it's done via electronic means, I have a hard time caring very much. Hide your signs better, I dunno.

I tend to agree

 

[paindonthurt_]

From the inception of football through the 80s, a coach whispered the play in the ear of a WR and he ran in and relayed the play to the QB, probably better and more efficient than how it is done now.

Probably not.

 

[HailStout]

Yes, there's one rule that's been in place for 30 years that prohibits scouting future opponents' games and another NCAA rule prohibits the use of recording devices.

And he bought tickets in his own name. He apparently is a rock scientist

 

[11thEagleFan]

And he bought tickets in his own name. He apparently is a rock scientist

A geologist?

 

[Perd Hapley]

This would explain a lot about how Michigan has been so dominant in the regular season for the past couple years, but absolutely atrocious in the CFP.

 

[Maroon13]

One interesting perspective I heard is that some P5 and all G5 teams don't the revenue to afford the extra coaching staff to scout like this. It creates a competitive advantage for larger school. Therefore scouting isn't allowed.

 

[57stratdawg]

Agree with Rhule here -

 

[00Dawg]

As a reminder, Florida sent a staffer to spy on our practices in 1980, then beat us.
Later, when coming clean, Florida offered to forfeit the game, which would’ve made us 1980 SEC Champions along with UGA.

We said no thanks.

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

Sources: U-M staffer bought tickets at 11 schools

Suspended Michigan staffer Connor Stalions, who is at the center of the NCAA's sign-stealing probe, purchased tickets in his own name for more than 30 games over the past three years at 11 different Big Ten schools, multiple sources told ESPN.

www.espn.com

The NCAA is expected to receive video evidence this week of illegal technology used in scouting tied to tickets purchased by Stalions, according to sources. An opposing Big Ten school looked up in-stadium surveillance video from a game earlier this year, and sources said the person in the seat of the ticket purchased by Stalions held his smart phone up and appeared to film the home team's sideline the entire game.

This scandal seems more SEC-like than what you expect from the Big 10.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

At least harbaugh isn’t spending the night with recruits anymore. Why can’t y’all focus on the positives?

 

[Perd Hapley]

As a reminder, Florida sent a staffer to spy on our practices in 1980, then beat us.
Later, when coming clean, Florida offered to forfeit the game, which would’ve made us 1980 SEC Champions along with UGA.

We said no thanks.

This seems a little farfetched. Why would they need our permission to forfeit a game?

 

[Dawgbite]

Anything that brings a blue blood down a few notches is good for us.

 

[patdog]

This seems a little farfetched. Why would they need our permission to forfeit a game?

I think the real story was we called the SEC asking about a forfeit and were told it’s not being considered. The spying event did happen though.

 

[patdog]

This scandal seems more SEC-like than what you expect from the Big 10.

The Big 10 is the grandfather of cheating in college sports.

 

[00Dawg]

I think the real story was we called the SEC asking about a forfeit and were told it’s not being considered. The spying event did happen though.

Negative, Ghostrider.
https://www.nytimes.com/1984/09/12/sports/florida-cited-in-107-violations.html

Now I gotta dig up the old article where Bellard told Maddox not to accept the forfeit because he was certain we were going to win the SEC in 1984.
I think I posted this before, but if I was AD, my first act would be to retroactively accept the forfeit.

For posterity from the article:
"Criser said the letters of apology were sent to the University of California at Berkeley, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Louisville, Florida State, Georgia and Auburn.
He said he offered to forfeit 1980 victories over California, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Louisville and Auburn, as well as a 1981 triumph over Florida State.
''Obviously this is a regrettable step, but I am convinced it is the only one permitted by the standards of fair play,'' Criser said.
''It is small consolation for our sister universities, but an honorable institution could do no less.'' he added."

 

[00Dawg]

Haven't found the old article with our response, but here's another one from that time:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...olleges/36087932-ca14-45ed-8366-a37af5990e97/

Of interest from that one:
"Florida President Marshall M. Criser announced that he had directed letters of apology to seven schools, including four members of the SEC, and had offered to forfeit triumphs over six of them.

Steve Townsend, the SEC's director of public relations, said there was no known precedent for volunteering forfeits, but confirmed that if Mississippi State accepts Criser's offer the Bulldogs could claim a share of the 1980 conference title with Georgia."

 

[horshack.sixpack]

There’s always been sign stealing in games (or trying to) and even spying on (or trying to) practices of upcoming opponent to try and get a slight advantage.
Have no problem with that.
Electronic sign stealing or videoing sideline activity for nefarious purposes I don’t agree with and should be banned/fined/suspended/something if team personnel is caught doing such.

How do you feel about using calculators for math?***

 

[PBRME]

years ago ole miss was caught hiding in the bushes at our practice field. they got caught and ran for their lives. at least that's the way i remember it. does anyone else remember the incident?

I thought that was Polk?

 

[Dawgg]

I think I posted this before, but if I was AD, my first act would be to retroactively accept the forfeit.

I agree and in fact, I feel like there's still time. Selmon could come out tomorrow and say "with all the recent news about spying and scouting sidelines, we've decided this was the right time to right a wrong that occurred over 40 years ago. We have decided to accept the University of Florida's offer to forfeit their 1980 game against us, which will effectively make us 1980 SEC co-champions with the University of Georgia. We feel like this was the decision that should have been made at the time, but for whatever reason was not. Today, we set things right for the members of the 1980 Mississippi State football team and their families. We're also going to honor them at halftime of next year's first game with a special ring ceremony."

Sure, you may get some snickers and jeers at the beginning, but in a few years, nobody will remember or care "why?" They'll just see a 1980 SEC Champions banner... and no, it's not like Ole Miss's SEC West banner because Georgia never beat us on the field.

 

[00Dawg]

I agree and in fact, I feel like there's still time. Selmon could come out tomorrow and say "with all the recent news about spying and scouting sidelines, we've decided this was the right time to right a wrong that occurred over 40 years ago. We have decided to accept the University of Florida's offer to forfeit their 1980 game against us, which will effectively make us 1980 SEC co-champions with the University of Georgia. We feel like this was the decision that should have been made at the time, but for whatever reason was not. Today, we set things right for the members of the 1980 Mississippi State football team and their families. We're also going to honor them at halftime of next year's first game with a special ring ceremony."

Sure, you may get some snickers and jeers at the beginning, but in a few years, nobody will remember or care "why?" They'll just see a 1980 SEC Champions banner... and no, it's not like Ole Miss's SEC West banner because Georgia never beat us on the field.

That's not a bad idea. I emailed him.

 

[aTotal360]

 

[dawgstudent]