Totally different rivalries. State has a better record against Ole Miss in the modern era. At worst close to even. Oklahoma has been better than OSU and most of the rest of the Big12 forever. State vs Alabama or LSU or Georgia would be more comparable in conference comparisons.
the goalposts have gotten moved and the original point has been muddied. This happens when goat jumps in the fray and messes threads up.
I was responding to your own words, which were “Let’s stop pretending there’s some huge gap between OU / OSU over that time (Gundy’s tenure)”.
Ok, but his record at OSU against OU is of no value as to whether or not he would be successful at MSU against OM.
Comparatively speaking, there is NOT some huge gap between the two. I didn't say OU doesn't have more talent. Sure, there is a gap. But they're both top 25 programs. They've both ended the year ranked in postseason rankings about the same number of times during Gundy's 17 or 18 years. There's a gap. There's not a HUGE gap. There's not a Georgia-Georgia Tech gap. It's stupid to suggest that.
Because I deal in facts, I looked up your claims, and in Gundy’s 18 years at Oklahoma State, only nine times have both teams finished the season ranked in the AP top 25. Three times neither team finished ranked and six times Oklahoma was ranked while OK State wasn’t. Also, OK State has finished in the final top 10 twice in Gundy’s tenure, while Oklahoma has finished in the top 10 eleven times in that span. So no, the two programs aren’t relatively even. Gundy has closed the gap, but there is still a wide gulf between the two programs when it comes to talent and results.
aGAIN, nowhere did I say they were even. I acknowledge a gap. Replace Oklahoma with Ole Miss and Oklahoma with Mississippi State. As a State fan, wouldn't you expect to win more than four egg bowls over that time? Just because Oklahoma is more talented generally speaking doesn't mean Oklahoma State shouldn't be competitive in the series.
There is a gap in talent that is the same in magnitude as the talent gap between MSU and Alabama…..which is an absurdly large talent gap.
That’s not controversial, but its also not relevant. You’ll never have a series be that lopsided over that length of time without a massive talent gap in place. And if we ever struggled that badly against OM over 15+ years, that would be the underlying reason and the problem that would have to be fixed. It would be way beyond a problem with a coach just “not getting his team up for rivalry games”. That’s not even a thing. It was a myth with Leach at Wazzu, and its a myth with Gundy as well.
Implicit to that argument is that there is something magical to the term "rivalry game". There is not. Gundy got stuck with the best team in the conference as his rival at OSU. MSU does not have the best team in the conference as their rival. Not even close. Actually polar opposite most years. That being said. I don't really want Gundy anyway.
You and drebin are correct, that rivalry record would not fly at MSU.
