My attempt is to clear the skies, add some input, to the never-ending debate of whether Paterno coached to long or left in (insert date)

[Mr. Potter]

Many say '94 some 2005, Almost everyone said, (pick any of the dark years.) but most, not all, who have called for his resignation or firing almost never factor the most important part of his legacy, job. He was a Life teacher, He was a mentor, He was a fatherly figure, He was a drill sergeant, He was a cheerleader, He was a Leader, He was a Coach, on and on you could make these lists. However, more importantly, maybe the most important is he was someone who cared about the persons' well being beyond a paycheck and a life away from football. He was someone who told you to stand up for principles, get involved. With the aforementioned individual you never ask to leave, resign, let alone fire.

His presence as Head Football Coach at Penn State became de minimis to the positive, influence, and energy he espoused and affected so many people. Me included. So even though I'm very bummed out about the season so far I still think back to some of the greatest memories when I hear Penn State football. I hope to hold onto those picture memories until I'm very old, but rest assured they will always be framed by and because of Coach Paterno.

Shalom
Mr. Potter

 

[Midnighter]

Many say '94 some 2005, Almost everyone said, (pick any of the dark years.) but most, not all, who have called for his resignation or firing almost never factor the most important part of his legacy, job. He was a Life teacher, He was a mentor, He was a fatherly figure, He was a drill sergeant, He was a cheerleader, He was a Leader, He was a Coach, on and on you could make these lists. However, more importantly, maybe the most important is he was someone who cared about the persons' well being beyond a paycheck and a life away from football. He was someone who told you to stand up for principles, get involved. With the aforementioned individual you never ask to leave, resign, let alone fire.

His presence as Head Football Coach at Penn State became de minimis to the positive, influence, and energy he espoused and affected so many people. Me included. So even though I'm very bummed out about the season so far I still think back to some of the greatest memories when I hear Penn State football. I hope to hold onto those picture memories until I'm very old, but rest assured they will always be framed by and because of Coach Paterno.

Shalom
Mr. Potter

This is thoughtful and true, but nothing precluded him from being any of those things had he decided to step down from coaching duties at any time of his choosing. Hindsight is 20/20, but man, he likely avoids a hell of a lot of grief if he retires in ‘01 or so.

Can’t change anything either way.

 

[pap]

Many say '94 some 2005, Almost everyone said, (pick any of the dark years.) but most, not all, who have called for his resignation or firing almost never factor the most important part of his legacy, job. He was a Life teacher, He was a mentor, He was a fatherly figure, He was a drill sergeant, He was a cheerleader, He was a Leader, He was a Coach, on and on you could make these lists. However, more importantly, maybe the most important is he was someone who cared about the persons' well being beyond a paycheck and a life away from football. He was someone who told you to stand up for principles, get involved. With the aforementioned individual you never ask to leave, resign, let alone fire.

His presence as Head Football Coach at Penn State became de minimis to the positive, influence, and energy he espoused and affected so many people. Me included. So even though I'm very bummed out about the season so far I still think back to some of the greatest memories when I hear Penn State football. I hope to hold onto those picture memories until I'm very old, but rest assured they will always be framed by and because of Coach Paterno.

Shalom
Mr. Potter

He had an incredible impact on many lives this is known , Ge stayed way too long for his own good because he didn't know how to leave , And it took a sad and very terrible scandal for him to be forced out

It is not the way he should have gone , but it is . His own words , knowing what I know in hindsight , I could have done more said it all I know the affect he had on so many , and yet it has been forgotten , only the stain remains It is so sad

 

[91Joe95]

Uh, he was also a pretty good coach at the end of his career too. His teams would have made the playoffs if they existed in 2005 and 2008.

 

[NittanyBuff]

He deserved better is all I know..

 

[barry j fenchak]

Joe sold out to get his 409

 

[PSU73]

Joe sold out to get his 409

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

Joe sold out to get his 409

2005-2010 JVP had 58 wins, 9.7 wins per year. Exactly to whom did he sell out?

Posting dumb shiit to drawn attention to yourself is getting old

 

[TiogaLion]

This is thoughtful and true, but nothing precluded him from being any of those things had he decided to step down from coaching duties at any time of his choosing. Hindsight is 20/20, but man, he likely avoids a hell of a lot of grief if he retires in ‘01 or so.

Can’t change anything either way.

Close, but "with the benefit of hindsight", 1997 would have been a good year to retire.

 

[91Joe95]

2005-2010 JVP had 58 wins, 9.7 wins per year. Exactly to whom did he sell out?

Posting dumb shiit to drawn attention to yourself is getting old

I don't think that's the real Barry. Penn State football was actually in better shape than OSU before the bot went batshit crazy.

 

[barry j fenchak]

Posting dumb shiit to drawn attention to yourself is getting old

You've done it for years, you should know. "I'd wreck that chick" ha ha ha ha ha

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

I don't think that's the real Barry. Penn State football was actually in better shape than OSU before the bot went batshit crazy.

You may be right. Whoever it is I'm sure his parents are very proud

 

[Zenophile]

Clown opinions aside, whether or not Coach Paterno stayed too long can be discussed/debated, and solid arguments can be made for either case. What’s inarguable is that the scapegoating of Joe by the business and industry faction of the board has been a travesty of poor decision making and execution. That’s unforgivable from a group who was supposed to bring business acumen to the table.

 

[marshall23]

Uh, he was also a pretty good coach at the end of his career too. His teams would have made the playoffs if they existed in 2005 and 2008.

I hate but fans. I love Joe "but".......
So you loved Joe when he won but didn't when he lost.....who the hell needs those fans? LOL LOL LOL but, but, but

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

I had a little time on my hands so I ran the numbers. I calculated the trailing 4 year average AP ranking during JVP tenure. I estimated the ranking for the 10 years we were not ranked. Obviously we ran in cycles, and those cycles trended in the wrong direction as the decades rolled on. But clearly JVP had the program trending in right direction after the horrible dark years. The 20 year run JVP had from '67-86 was truly amazing.

 

[PSU85Shipp91]

Many say '94 some 2005, Almost everyone said, (pick any of the dark years.) but most, not all, who have called for his resignation or firing almost never factor the most important part of his legacy, job. He was a Life teacher, He was a mentor, He was a fatherly figure, He was a drill sergeant, He was a cheerleader, He was a Leader, He was a Coach, on and on you could make these lists. However, more importantly, maybe the most important is he was someone who cared about the persons' well being beyond a paycheck and a life away from football. He was someone who told you to stand up for principles, get involved. With the aforementioned individual you never ask to leave, resign, let alone fire.

His presence as Head Football Coach at Penn State became de minimis to the positive, influence, and energy he espoused and affected so many people. Me included. So even though I'm very bummed out about the season so far I still think back to some of the greatest memories when I hear Penn State football. I hope to hold onto those picture memories until I'm very old, but rest assured they will always be framed by and because of Coach Paterno.

Shalom
Mr. Potter

Well said.

 

[Big_O]

When he stopped making in home visits to top recruits is when I thought he should hang it up and I stated such in my posts back then. That just proved he didn’t have the stamina to be a HC in this highly competitive business. But I would have tried to keep him on in another capacity such as a consultant or fundraiser, which would still utilize his talents and keep him occupied. He deserved that.

 

[91Joe95]

When he stopped making in home visits to top recruits is when I thought he should hang it up and I stated such in my posts back then. That just proved he didn’t have the stamina to be a HC in this highly competitive business. But I would have tried to keep him on in another capacity such as a consultant or fundraiser, which would still utilize his talents and keep him occupied. He deserved that.

I understand the frustration at the lack of in home visits, but he still pulled in talented classes. I still maintain that the biggest effect (besides the camp offer strategy that led to the dark years and that Paterno recognized and changed) was the drop to the 85 limit. Paterno just didn't run off players like other programs to make room for more recruits. Saban (and others) would routinely sign 25-35 recruits, and made such a mockery of the limits that the NCAA had to put in more firm limits, and then relax them altogether for everyone. Before the 85 limit Paterno would sign 20-25, and the results were outstanding. After that there were years where he was limited to 11 or 12 recruits total. The funny thing is if you look at the star ratings, the average was high, but the totals were low. Imagine if Paterno ran off players and routinely had 20-25 spots to fill like he did with that monster Odrick class.

 

[PSUFTG]

You may be right. Whoever it is I'm sure his parents are very proud

It definitely is not the real Barry.

 

[delcoLion]

Sure wish we could let Joe rest in peace.

 

[OhioLion]

Sure wish we could let Joe rest in peace.

Amen.
He would likely be telling everyone to get behind the team and show your support to them and the university. Worry about the things you can control.

OL

 

[Pennst8]

Many say '94 some 2005, Almost everyone said, (pick any of the dark years.) but most, not all, who have called for his resignation or firing almost never factor the most important part of his legacy, job. He was a Life teacher, He was a mentor, He was a fatherly figure, He was a drill sergeant, He was a cheerleader, He was a Leader, He was a Coach, on and on you could make these lists. However, more importantly, maybe the most important is he was someone who cared about the persons' well being beyond a paycheck and a life away from football. He was someone who told you to stand up for principles, get involved. With the aforementioned individual you never ask to leave, resign, let alone fire.

His presence as Head Football Coach at Penn State became de minimis to the positive, influence, and energy he espoused and affected so many people. Me included. So even though I'm very bummed out about the season so far I still think back to some of the greatest memories when I hear Penn State football. I hope to hold onto those picture memories until I'm very old, but rest assured they will always be framed by and because of Coach Paterno.

Shalom
Mr. Potter

Agreed. I think Coach Franklin is doing the exact same thing. I also think coach Paterno should have retired 10-12 years before he did.

 

[Nits1989]

Joe sold out to get his 409

Joe didn’t sell out at all.

 

[Alphabets]

2005 and it's not close. He beat the guy he was fighting with for most wins straight up. He did what people thought he couldn't do anymore after the early 2000s dark years. It would have been a wonderful send-off. Great team, great year and an orange bowl over Bobby B. Drop mic and sail off.

 

[bdgan]

I had a little time on my hands so I ran the numbers. I calculated the trailing 4 year average AP ranking during JVP tenure. I estimated the ranking for the 10 years we were not ranked. Obviously we ran in cycles, and those cycles trended in the wrong direction as the decades rolled on. But clearly JVP had the program trending in right direction after the horrible dark years. The 20 year run JVP had from '67-86 was truly amazing.

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I think PSU would have won the BiG in 2012 if not for the scandal. They finished 8-4 despite incredible distractions and key players leaving.

The close losses to Ohio and Virginia would have been guaranteed wins with Fera kicking. Add Fortt at LB, Brown at WR, and Redd at RB and I think we would have gone undefeated. Add Graham, Haplea, Kersey, & Pollard. One loss at worst.

PSU also had the 6th ranked recruiting class until kids backed out due to the scandal. Joe would have left the cupboards full if not for the scandal.

 

[PSUForever]

Well said.

I had a little time on my hands so I ran the numbers. I calculated the trailing 4 year average AP ranking during JVP tenure. I estimated the ranking for the 10 years we were not ranked. Obviously we ran in cycles, and those cycles trended in the wrong direction as the decades rolled on. But clearly JVP had the program trending in right direction after the horrible dark years. The 20 year run JVP had from '67-86 was truly amazing.

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This is good work. Did you learn that from Dean Wormer at Faber?

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

This is good work. Did you learn that from Dean Wormer at Faber?

His wife actually

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Joe sold out to get his 409

“Sold out”….

 

[Player2BNamedL8r]

Was going to create a thread for this article, but it sorta fits here. Not sure if Joe would’ve been as successful in today’s game…his MO just doesn’t fit with the way things work now. Even though I absolutely believe that Joe’s way is needed more than ever, today’s kids want more than what he was offering.

Penn State football: Is the argument about outdated facilities on the money?

Is Penn State too cheap to compete with the truly elite programs in college football?

saturdaytradition.com

 

[Hut1]

Was going to create a thread for this article, but it sorta fits here. Not sure if Joe would’ve been as successful in today’s game…his MO just doesn’t fit with the way things work now. Even though I absolutely believe that Joe’s way is needed more than ever, today’s kids want more than what he was offering.

Penn State football: Is the argument about outdated facilities on the money?

Is Penn State too cheap to compete with the truly elite programs in college football?

saturdaytradition.com

Just for apples and oranges . Joe lost to Rutgers in Tony Sacca's freshman debut missed a wide open receiver in the end zone. Christian found a wide open Maliga for 70 yards, Christian didn't play at all last year at any level.

 

[91Joe95]

Was going to create a thread for this article, but it sorta fits here. Not sure if Joe would’ve been as successful in today’s game…his MO just doesn’t fit with the way things work now. Even though I absolutely believe that Joe’s way is needed more than ever, today’s kids want more than what he was offering.

Penn State football: Is the argument about outdated facilities on the money?

Is Penn State too cheap to compete with the truly elite programs in college football?

saturdaytradition.com

I.think Joe would have succeeded in any era. He could relate to kids, wanted the playoff system, and thought the players deserved to be paid. He also would have gotten back bigger recruiting classes.

 

[bdgan]

Was going to create a thread for this article, but it sorta fits here. Not sure if Joe would’ve been as successful in today’s game…his MO just doesn’t fit with the way things work now. Even though I absolutely believe that Joe’s way is needed more than ever, today’s kids want more than what he was offering.

Penn State football: Is the argument about outdated facilities on the money?

Is Penn State too cheap to compete with the truly elite programs in college football?

saturdaytradition.com

PSU didn't have a 107,000 person stadium, Lasch Building, and Holuba Hall before Joe. PSU wasn't too cheap back then.

 

[EricStratton-RushChairman]

PSU didn't have a 107,000 person stadium, Lasch Building, and Holuba Hall before Joe. PSU wasn't too cheap back then.

I was a non voting student rep to The Board of Trustees back in 85-87. Was a very cool experience. I remember one meeting in particular when the funding proposal for Holuba came to the floor for a vote. I’m sure details were worked out in committee but I was shocked how quickly the vote was taken and passed unanimously if I remember correctly.

 

[barry j fenchak]

Yep, sold out. Installed his idiot son on staff and did his "coaching" from the press box. Karma is a ***** and she bit him in the ***. Made insubordinate comments at the height of the scandal.

 

[marshall23]

I.think Joe would have succeeded in any era. He could relate to kids, wanted the playoff system, and thought the players deserved to be paid. He also would have gotten back bigger recruiting classes.

Joe was so much more than a football coach. Among many talents, he was a visionary. Its always dangerous to project coaches, athletes etc. in a different era. PSU was blessed to have JVP. In spite of the handful of"Butt"fans.

 

[PSUForever]

His wife actually

Nice!

 

[Zenophile]

Yep, sold out. Installed his idiot son on staff and did his "coaching" from the press box. Karma is a ***** and she bit him in the ***. Made insubordinate comments at the height of the scandal.