My thoughts on MVB (potentially) leaving.

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I'm just assuming we'll wind up with either Van Buren or Arnold. Don't much care which one. If we wind up with neither, we're probably screwed. Which wouldn't be too surprising either.
We shouldn't spend money on a QB if we can't field a defense that can win 6 games. We'd be better off saving money for future cycles.

QB is the most expensive position. You should spend money on a QB when you have a good team around him.
 

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Doesn't seem like the dollars we are tossing around are far fetched.

One of our head-in-the-sand fans will quickly tell you that everyone else is recklessly spending and we won't do that. In the interim, we will continue to get skull drug by the Toledo's of the world.
 

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One of our head-in-the-sand fans will quickly tell you that everyone else is recklessly spending and we won't do that. In the interim, we will continue to get skull drug by the Toledo's of the world.
I'm glad we're so much smarter than all those other schools that actually win football games. **
 

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Yeah, this is one of those times when I can't really blame either side. From MVB's side of things, he knows the going rate for an SEC QB, and if he truly does have a few legit P4 teams courting him with promises of a starting job, I can see him looking at the State situation and being like... look, I don't want to leave, but if I'm gonna come back for another year of this $hitshow, you're gonna make it worth my while

Likewise, with Taylor in the boat and the possibility of a kid like Arnold transferring in, there is no way that we can break the bank for MVB right now. Too many gaps in the roster, and frankly neither one exactly lit the world on the fire this year
 
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I'm glad we're so much smarter than all those other schools that actually win football games. **
"Just keep it in the black."

Keenum: Need and merit-based financial assistance for Mississippi students  is essential for our state's future | Mississippi State University
 

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Every SEC school will have money for players. It is back to recruiting someone to come.
 

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To be clear, I'm not saying we shouldn't spend money. I'm saying paying for the premium position with a historically bad defense doesn't make sense. (expensive) lipstick on a pig. We must think beyond this season, especially if we can't field a competitive team this season.

We should upgrade our defense for the money MVB is (supposedly) asking for. Our defense, in its current form, cannot win 5 games. What difference does it make who plays QB if that isn't addressed?
 
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I don't know if he's leaving. I don't know if the numbers I'm hearing are accurate.

But if the numbers are close to accurate, this is my feeling on the situation:
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Until we spend money to improve our defense, what's the point of spending on a QB?
Money has to be spent on EVERY position. Why does everyone think it’s an either/or thing?

You don’t get a QB for free just because he played here last year
 
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with Taylor in the boat and the possibility of a kid like Arnold transferring in, there is no way that we can break the bank for MVB right now. Too many gaps in the roster, and frankly neither one exactly lit the world on the fire this year
Bingo. MVB has offers in his ear. State potentially has a good portal QB and HS QB coming in, State doesn't have to match high bids from others. Sucks but... the way of the college football world now.
 
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Bingo. MVB has offers in his ear. State potentially has a good portal QB and HS QB coming in, State doesn't have to match high bids from others. Sucks but... the way of the college football world now.
Arnold is now scheduled to visit Auburn.
 

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One of our head-in-the-sand fans will quickly tell you that everyone else is recklessly spending and we won't do that. In the interim, we will continue to get skull drug by the Toledo's of the world.
Price of poker is way way up. No doubt about it. If we want to compete we have to pay. That's just the way it is.

My concern is for butts in the seat long term. As these deals get more attention and prevalent, are fans just going to check out and stay home? Save their dollars for the premium professional product they can find in an NFL stadium? Not even watch and find something else to do with a Saturday? I'm sure it's hard for many folks to rationalize spending several hundred bucks on a weekend cheering on some 19 year old kids you can't name that make 10x your salary - especially on a 2-10 team.

I really hope this is just the pendulum swinging towards its extreme and it goes back to something more sane in the near future.
 

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Who the 17 believes handing 7 figures to an 18 year old is a good idea?

Who. In. The. Actual. 17????
Pretty much anybody who wants to win more than 2 football games. It's not a question if it's a good idea. It's just a fact.
 
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Money has to be spent on EVERY position. Why does everyone think it’s an either/or thing?

You don’t get a QB for free just because he played here last year
We have a finite amount of money. Every dollar spent is a dollar that can't be spent elsewhere.

Some teams are one quarterback away from the CFP. They should break the bank for the quarterback position. We are not that team. We could spend all our money on bringing in Tom Brady and not go to a bowl.

Which team wins more?
  • Team A: a $1.5 mm QB (MVB or otherwise) with more or less the same defense from 2024
  • Team B: Shapen/Taylor/other QB with a defense upgraded with money not spent on a million-dollar QB
Neither team is going to the CFP in 2025, but Team B at least gives us a chance to improve.
 
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We need to get out of the portal paying business. Let the blue bloods fight that out. Pay our existing players who did things for us, and get portal players who are hungry for PT and or an FBS spot.
 

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Doesn't seem like the dollars we are tossing around are far fetched.

Remember those 3 months when NIL meant “name, image, likeness”? You know, like Bobs Burgers gives a guy some money to take a picture with Bobs Burger?
Hard for me to comprehend these young kids running around a college campus with a million bucks to spend! We used to roll nickels and go to the Mr Cook on the edge of campus! 🥴
 

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We need to get out of the portal paying business. Let the blue bloods fight that out. Pay our existing players who did things for us, and get portal players who are hungry for PT and or an FBS spot.
Yeah that sounds like a great way to go 2-10 or 3-9 indefinitely.

No decent player is playing for free anymore, even the guys without much of a track record.
 

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Remember those 3 months when NIL meant “name, image, likeness”? You know, like Bobs Burgers gives a guy some money to take a picture with Bobs Burger?
Hard for me to comprehend these young kids running around a college campus with a million bucks to spend! We used to roll nickels and go to the Mr Cook on the edge of campus! 🥴
Remember when people ridiculed us for saying that NIL was just another name for pay for play?
 
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Yeah that sounds like a great way to go 2-10 or 3-9 indefinitely.

No decent player is playing for free anymore, even the guys without much of a track record.
Like this past year? How much did we spend again?

Maybe, just maybe….we should get serious about a coach instead of lapping up the sheep ball juice. Just my opinion.
 

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Like this past year? How much did we spend again?

Maybe, just maybe….we should get serious about a coach instead of lapping up the sheep ball juice. Just my opinion.
It’s both. You have to have the right coach and be willing to spend. I don’t know if Lebby ends up being the right coach or not but I know for a fact he has no chance if we don’t even try to play the game.
 

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We have a finite amount of money. Every dollar spent is a dollar that can't be spent elsewhere.

Some teams are one quarterback away from the CFP. They should break the bank for the quarterback position. We are not that team. We could spend all our money on bringing in Tom Brady and not go to a bowl.

Which team wins more?
  • Team A: a $1.5 mm QB (MVB or otherwise) with more or less the same defense from 2024
  • Team B: Shapen/Taylor/other QB with a defense upgraded with money not spent on a million-dollar QB
Neither team is going to the CFP in 2025, but Team B at least gives us a chance to improve.
That deal doesn't make or break us either way. We've got a great NIL. It's about the better player and Arnold is who Lebby thinks is better.
 

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That deal doesn't make or break us either way. We've got a great NIL. It's about the better player and Arnold is who Lebby thinks is better.
We don’t have a great NIL. It’s better than it was a year ago , but we’re so far behind the top schools it’s ridiculous. really, so far the recruiting results aren’t any better than last year. And we see where that got us.
 
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I said this last signing day but this is why I give a rats *** about who we sign on signing day out of high school there is a high likelihood they are gone in a year so why do I care. Players these days have no more attachment to msu that is lasting. So why sign any freshman they will just sign with another school if they are any good. Take the coach prime approach and only get players with experience
 

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That deal doesn't make or break us either way. We've got a great NIL. It's about the better player and Arnold is who Lebby thinks is better.
Are you saying we can’t get a $1.5 mm decision wrong? There are few programs that can make a $1.5 mm wrong move and not suffer for it. We aren’t one of them.
 
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I'm just assuming we'll wind up with either Van Buren or Arnold. Don't much care which one. If we wind up with neither, we're probably screwed. Which wouldn't be too surprising either.
And if we end up with both we might be screwed as well. Literal crap shoot if we will add what we need on either side of the ball and near certainty that the schedule will be tough and the defense will not.
 
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