My thoughts on the LFL (long)

STATEgrad04

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I have been seeing a lot of dissention lately concerning the LFL and wanted to give my opinion.

First and foremost, I feel like the LFL is the best, most recognizable thing we have going at our university. Yes, even better than the cowbell (which are basically the only two traditions we have). We created this atmosphere and tradition literally from the ground up. Started organically by a few backing trucks up to the outfield fences, and grew it to what it is today. There is nothing better than watching smoke billow across the field on a gameday, and the atmosphere is second to none. It’s a tailgate within the stadium, and to my knowledge we are the only ones that have anything like this.

I can remember going to games as a kid with my dad, sitting in the stands, and watching the LFL as much as watching the game. It was just “cool”, and it was cool that it was “ours”. When I got to State (2000), my friends and I would go out there on cold Tuesday night games and would sit in empty lounges and just watch the games and enjoy the company. We were never rowdy, never destructive, and always respectful knowing that it wasn’t our spot. It was just Mississippi State baseball, close friends, and I wouldn’t trade that experience for anything. After college I was fortunate enough to have a friend that had a LFL. I was lucky enough to be able to go to a handful of series a year, but made sure to never abuse the ability to sit out there. I would bring food to cook, beer to drink, and always made sure that I wasn’t crowding them out in any way or overstaying my welcome (only went to a few SBW games because I knew that would be there busiest weekend).

I have since moved out of MS and have only been to one weekend series in the new Dude, but the LFL remains a point of pride for me when talking to people (mostly Florida and GA fans) about the atmosphere that is Mississippi State baseball. It has always reminded me of the Alabama song “Cheap Seats”, and while it is no longer “cheap” to be out there, it remains unique and solely ours. I feel like as a fan base that we are cutting our noses off to spite our face in complaining about the LFL. It is the one thing that I feel like the university has managed correctly, in allowing it to remain essentially what its always been, while also bringing it “up to code”. The feeding of the opposing team and fans has been going on out there for as long as I can remember, and I personally don’t want that to go away. It is a great way for us to show off what we have to people who have zero knowledge of it.

Losing sucks, and I know that when losing everything takes a beating, but this truly is one of, if not the best thing we have going at the university and nationally. It would be an absolute shame to get rid of the LFL as we know it just because we have fans that take the attitude of “if I cant experience it, then I don’t want anybody to experience it”. My hope/wish is that we as a fan base can come together on this and fully appreciate what we have. While not everybody can experience it, it is still ours. It is and should be a point of pride for all of us. You can’t talk about college baseball and not talk about Mississippi State baseball in part because of the stadium and the LFL. Even when we suck we have something that we can all be proud of. Of course I would rather be winning, but since I have no control over that, I am glad to still have something that we can all be proud of.
 

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I’m fine with feeding opposing fans. What I find distasteful is the ensuing circle jerk we have when opposing fans compliment the LFL after sweeping us at home
Social media and message boards can make it feel like a group is more obsessed with something than they really are. All it takes is 3-4 people here commenting on something like that and it feels like a circle jerk. However in reality I figure most us don’t give ashit.
 

patdog

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Social media and message boards can make it feel like a group is more obsessed with something than they really are. All it takes is 3-4 people here commenting on something like that and it feels like a circle jerk. However in reality I figure most us don’t give ashit.
You'd be surprised how many do.
 

The Cooterpoot

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Feed the opposing team after they lose the series but that's about it. We make it easy on opponents with some weird *** southern hospitality BS for some reason. And that lounge should be more about the students than the ******** who treat everyone like they own the place. It's time to jack up the costs on the rigs in a big way and give the students more out there. The original lounge gave teams hell, now we've got a bus driver and some aholes making it a party for opponents while pissing on State fans and students.
 

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I haven’t been back to a game since the new construction. I miss the death trap stands. I think I will just stay away and therefore it will always be that way to me

I really don’t like what sports are anymore. I guess that is what happens to you when you get old. New stuff sucks, old stuff is better. Oh well. Happens to all of us I guess
 

Lucifer Morningstar

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Feed the opposing team after they lose the series but that's about it. We make it easy on opponents with some weird *** southern hospitality BS for some reason. And that lounge should be more about the students than the ******** who treat everyone like they own the place. It's time to jack up the costs on the rigs in a big way and give the students more out there. The original lounge gave teams hell, now we've got a bus driver and some aholes making it a party for opponents while pissing on State fans and students.
Well said sir. When you are taking better care of opposing fans than you do our own people, then you suck at life. You are most likely a butthole in everything you do, and the world could use less of you.
 

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I have been seeing a lot of dissention lately concerning the LFL and wanted to give my opinion.

First and foremost, I feel like the LFL is the best, most recognizable thing we have going at our university. Yes, even better than the cowbell (which are basically the only two traditions we have). We created this atmosphere and tradition literally from the ground up. Started organically by a few backing trucks up to the outfield fences, and grew it to what it is today. There is nothing better than watching smoke billow across the field on a gameday, and the atmosphere is second to none. It’s a tailgate within the stadium, and to my knowledge we are the only ones that have anything like this.

I can remember going to games as a kid with my dad, sitting in the stands, and watching the LFL as much as watching the game. It was just “cool”, and it was cool that it was “ours”. When I got to State (2000), my friends and I would go out there on cold Tuesday night games and would sit in empty lounges and just watch the games and enjoy the company. We were never rowdy, never destructive, and always respectful knowing that it wasn’t our spot. It was just Mississippi State baseball, close friends, and I wouldn’t trade that experience for anything. After college I was fortunate enough to have a friend that had a LFL. I was lucky enough to be able to go to a handful of series a year, but made sure to never abuse the ability to sit out there. I would bring food to cook, beer to drink, and always made sure that I wasn’t crowding them out in any way or overstaying my welcome (only went to a few SBW games because I knew that would be there busiest weekend).

I have since moved out of MS and have only been to one weekend series in the new Dude, but the LFL remains a point of pride for me when talking to people (mostly Florida and GA fans) about the atmosphere that is Mississippi State baseball. It has always reminded me of the Alabama song “Cheap Seats”, and while it is no longer “cheap” to be out there, it remains unique and solely ours. I feel like as a fan base that we are cutting our noses off to spite our face in complaining about the LFL. It is the one thing that I feel like the university has managed correctly, in allowing it to remain essentially what its always been, while also bringing it “up to code”. The feeding of the opposing team and fans has been going on out there for as long as I can remember, and I personally don’t want that to go away. It is a great way for us to show off what we have to people who have zero knowledge of it.

Losing sucks, and I know that when losing everything takes a beating, but this truly is one of, if not the best thing we have going at the university and nationally. It would be an absolute shame to get rid of the LFL as we know it just because we have fans that take the attitude of “if I cant experience it, then I don’t want anybody to experience it”. My hope/wish is that we as a fan base can come together on this and fully appreciate what we have. While not everybody can experience it, it is still ours. It is and should be a point of pride for all of us. You can’t talk about college baseball and not talk about Mississippi State baseball in part because of the stadium and the LFL. Even when we suck we have something that we can all be proud of. Of course I would rather be winning, but since I have no control over that, I am glad to still have something that we can all be proud of.
It's one the best traditions in all of college sports. I hope it stays forever.
 
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Don't care that we feed opposing fans, feeding the visiting team after they sweep us makes the lounges full of people in cuck chairs more than anything else. Hate the lounge has become more of a soup kitchen right now than an intimidating place to play. As long as them Texas boys had a good time though!
 

johnson86-1

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The University Needs to charge a whole lot more than they do now for the Lounge spots.
Yea, it sucks, but I don't know how else to do it. Charging market price will result in a lot more of them being empty, particularly for midweek games, and will take away from the atmosphere some. But if you don't charge market price, you are basically granting ownership of university assets to people just because they were in with somebody that was a fan a long time ago.

I with there was a good way to make them available to students. The fraternities having spots was (is?) great, but that still leaves a ton of students out with no realistic way for them to experience it.

Just hard to balance creating atmosphere and new fans with money. That's what's nice about premium group seating in other venues is they are generally a little removed so die hard fans still get the opportunity to be up close to the game on a ticket by ticket basis.
 

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That's how it's supposed to be. Be buddies with our players. Give them anything they want. Give the other team's players hell all weekend - let them hear it. And if they're good sports after they lose, then you can give them some food. But they have to earn it.
I posted this in an LFL thread last year about this time and still feel the same way:

The left field lounge reminds me of a line in a song "they paved paradise and put up a parking lot". When it was started over 50 years ago and before it looked like a scrap yard it was unique, spontaneous, edgy and the kids who out there on their blankets and beach towels were laid back people but intense State baseball fans and for all these reasons it was simply put....cool. Now when I look at it I think about the line in a movie "get off my lawn". It's no longer unique and instead of spontaneous it's super choreographed and while the people out there desperately want to be cool and edgy......they are anything but. I saw my first State baseball game from out there in the spring of "69" and never sat in the grandstands my whole time at school. The people who sit out there now THINK they have something special, the people who were fortunate enough to be out there in the early days really DID have something special.
 

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It’s a unique tradition that I’m glad we have. I just think people are over the stadium and atmosphere gloating that comes with us in baseball. There is a sense of “we invented the sport”, and hey maybe we did to an extent in the SEC, but we’ve got one national championship ever and one SEC championship in the last 35 years.

Our ROI in college baseball has to be among the worst in the country. When you get your *** swept on your home field, nobody is going to be patting the LFL squad on the back for feeding the team that swept us. It’s one thing when we are winning, but we don’t win that much outside of a five year stretch from 2016-2021. Clark and Palmeiro were literally 40 years ago now.
 

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I agree with the sentiment that sometimes the internet makes things a bigger deal than what it is and manufacturers drama online that isn't there in reality.

But how about occasionally carrying some of those leftovers to the right field corner to those students in maroon.

Btw: the aesthetics of the new LFL is way better than the old.
 

Lucifer Morningstar

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I agree with the sentiment that sometimes the internet makes things a bigger deal than what it is and manufacturers drama online that isn't there in reality.

But how about occasionally carrying some of those leftovers to the right field corner to those students in maroon.

Btw: the aesthetics of the new LFL is way better than the old.
Exactly, if you have left over food then feed the students. Simple. You want to make it home to our guys and fans, and hell to everybody else. The worse thing an opposing player can say, to me, is that they are excited to play in our place. 17 that.
 

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Social media and message boards can make it feel like a group is more obsessed with something than they really are. All it takes is 3-4 people here commenting on something like that and it feels like a circle jerk. However in reality I figure most us don’t give ashit.
Yeah, I agree that most here don’t seem to care. It does feel to me that there are a lot of nonSPS posters who do but not sure
 

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The University Needs to charge a whole lot more than they do now for the Lounge spots.
I agree with your premise, but let's not act like they haven't raised the rates dramatically in recent years. The rigs were 2K in 2021, increased to 2500 in 2022, 3200 in 2025 & will be 4K in 2026. It is still a bargain though. I know a group that has been in LFL since before I finished high school (1984) that is having a serious conversation about not renewing.
 
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I'm officially over it. It's boarderline embarrassing at this point. "We suck but we dress up funny and feed the players that destroy us."

Just put the money into football and basketball like real schools, 95% of sports fans don't have a clue what goes on in college baseball.

(rant over)
 

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Feed the opposing team after they lose the series but that's about it. We make it easy on opponents with some weird *** southern hospitality BS for some reason. And that lounge should be more about the students than the ******** who treat everyone like they own the place. It's time to jack up the costs on the rigs in a big way and give the students more out there. The original lounge gave teams hell, now we've got a bus driver and some aholes making it a party for opponents while pissing on State fans and students.
I think it's going up $800 next year and another $800 the year after...I do like the concept of removing the cucks but it gives corporations the easy access to buy them up and not use them
 
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I never went to the LFL as a player and wasn't ever fed by someone. I have been back over the past few years and have walked around the outfield and have never been able to crack the clique that seems to be out there. There is only one person I knew from back in the day and I have visited his area.

Now I am not a naturally outgoing person and am not good at getting into places I am not already familiar so it could just be me, but it seems the LFL is fairly exclusive and has gotten more so now than it used to be. I understand that these folks put much time, effort and money into these boxes and there has to be limits on "freeloaders" so that causes walls to be put up and hurts welcomeness.

It still is great and absolutely should always be part of MSU Baseball. Maybe come up with some sort of box VRBO or dating app that opens the experience up to more people. Especially those that might only be able to attend one or two weekends a year.
 
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I agree with your premise, but let's not act like they haven't raised the rates dramatically in recent years. The rigs were 2K in 2021, increased to 2500 in 2022, 3200 in 2025 & will be 4K in 2026. It is still a bargain though. I know a group that has been in LFL since before I finished high school (1984) that is having a serious conversation about not renewing.
That's really not dramatic for the number of spots involved and for how far below market they are.

That said, if they keep raising it $800 to $1,000 per year, that's probably fine.

If I had been designing it, I'd have done a closed bid where each box submitted what they were willing to pay with the bottom 10% (plus ties) would then be auctioned off to the public. Once you win an auction, you can renew for 5 years with a CPI adjustment. Each year thereafter, you do the auction again, exempting the ones that in their five year renewal if they choose to renew. After 5 years, at least 50% of the boxes have gone to market prices, and the prices of the other 50% have moved up considerably. Once all the boxes have turned over, or the publicly auctioned boxes are going for less than the closed bid, you can go to a more normal renewal with increases. Granted that design is more about my love for complicated transactions that anything else, but it would have generated more revenue for us faster and given everybody at least a chance to have a left field lounge spot.
 

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I never went to the LFL as a player and wasn't ever fed by someone. I have been back over the past few years and have walked around the outfield and have never been able to crack the clique that seems to be out there. There is only one person I knew from back in the day and I have visited his area.

Now I am not a naturally outgoing person and am not good at getting into places I am not already familiar so it could just be me, but it seems the LFL is fairly exclusive and has gotten more so now than it used to be. I understand that these folks put much time, effort and money into these boxes and there has to be limits on "freeloaders" so that causes walls to be put up and hurts welcomeness.

It still is great and absolutely should always be part of MSU Baseball. Maybe come up with some sort of box VRBO or dating app that opens the experience up to more people. Especially those that might only be able to attend one or two weekends a year.
Man, if the home run record holder can't get fed, what hope do I have.
 

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I've seen way too many State fans on social media sharing stuff about making friends with Texas fans. **** that. I want them to lose, have a miserable trip home, and never come back. You want to eat? Go to the concessions. Feed the opposing team, fine, but I want them shitting their guts out by Sunday. I care about wins, not kissing the asses of the team that just swept us.

Bottom line: we treat the opposition better than we treat our own, and that's ****** up.
 

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For me, the real problem is lack of good spots to sit if you don’t have season chair back or know people in the lounge, which creates the elitest thoughts. If they had done more chair backs to start with, I don’t think you would hear this noise. Sitting in the berms sounds like torture to me.
 

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It’s like anything- no one would care if we are winning. And it has no bearing on whether our coach stays or goes.
We never had a problem with either before they created the new set up. The whole program has sold out really. It's 100% about the party now-IYKYK.
 
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For me, the real problem is lack of good spots to sit if you don’t have season chair back or know people in the lounge, which creates the elitest thoughts. If they had done more chair backs to start with, I don’t think you would hear this noise. Sitting in the berms sounds like torture to me.
Yeah, I'm not buying a GA ticket to sit on the damn berm. Of course, we've got to get a team worth watching before it matters to me anyway.
 

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That's how it's supposed to be. Be buddies with our players. Give them anything they want. Give the other team's players hell all weekend - let them hear it. And if they're good sports after they lose, then you can give them some food. But they have to earn it.
Was going to post some angry-man-yelling-at-cloud rambling, but this sums up my take.
 

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I took my 10 year old son to his first MSU SEC baseball game last year. He is Die Hard. We have seen them every time they play in Biloxi, in New Orleans vs Tulane, Pearl for the governors cup and a couple of mid week and nonconference games. I have been building up LFL and the atmosphere on SEC weekends since he was old enough to remember. To say it was disappointing is an understatement. I have some friends that have rigs but decided not to bother them since they all had lots of folks in town. Instead we were just going to walk around look at the different rigs and enjoy the atmosphere for a few minutes and get back to our seats. The harassment started with one of the first rigs we passed. Some redneck bleach blonde woman hollered at us and asked us where we were going and told us it was private. I guess she could tell we didn't have a spot as I was explaining to my son how it used to look. Then we walked a little further and I was showing him approx. where my fraternities old spot and was telling him how we used to heckle the outfielders. Someone from one of the lower rigs hollered up at us and told up to move along. Then after running into a few more obnoxious MSU fans we just went back to our seats. I understand it was crowded and people who pay don't want random strangers blocking their view. We didn't try to go into any rigs, didn't expect anyone to invite us or give us food. I was simply trying to show my 10 year old the atmosphere. I have never felt like more of an outsider as a State fan ever in my life. I'm not expecting any kind of special treatment, just don't be rude...
 

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I think it's going up $800 next year and another $800 the year after...I do like the concept of removing the cucks but it gives corporations the easy access to buy them up and not use them
I'm not part of one but what I've been thinking when I read these LFL threads and jacking up the prices. A lot of complaining about the Hump reseating and sure enough, I sit there and look at row after row of empty seats, even for a lot of our biggest games. Assume all corporate/big donors who generally don't come but have a seat (or many) when they decide to.
When we drive out "the cucks", who will replace them? Richer cucks?