NCAA Enforcement Authority - gone?

[blion72]

clearly the NCAA seemed to have enforcement authority on Penn State in 2012, and gave us nearly a death penalty for something that was not connected to football, sports or Penn State legally. We were told by numerous people that you could not beat the NCAA in court, and those that tried failed. The university Presidents that govern the NCAA were all in on this enforcement on Penn State. This was less than 10 years ago.

Now today, we are saying that the NCAA has no authority, which implies that the university Presidents have no interest in governance of the NCAA and have defunded/defanged their enforcement. This is why we are saying that Texas A&M essentially is doing whatever it wants. If that is the case it would seem that A&M can now do the following without any ramifications:

• Declare that academic eligibility is no longer needed and will not be enforced at A&M.
• Declare that class attendance will no longer be needed since academic eligibility will not longer be enforced
• Decide that they will not fund 100 scholarship players by bringing in donor money. If somebody makes a Title 9 complaint they could just have the donors buy 15 girl scholarships to balance things out. Essentially A&M no longer needs to follow the 85 rule or the annual limits - they have no limits.
• Direct NIL $$$ toward not only attendance (which they are doing now against the rules) but provide bonuses for play performance
• Expand the coaching staff with more outside funds to grow recruiting and player development

 

[Nitt1300]

"College" football has been gone for some time now. A decent burial is overdue.

 

[psu31trap]

clearly the NCAA seemed to have enforcement authority on Penn State in 2012, and gave us nearly a death penalty for something that was not connected to football, sports or Penn State legally. We were told by numerous people that you could not beat the NCAA in court, and those that tried failed. The university Presidents that govern the NCAA were all in on this enforcement on Penn State. This was less than 10 years ago.

Now today, we are saying that the NCAA has no authority, which implies that the university Presidents have no interest in governance of the NCAA and have defunded/defanged their enforcement. This is why we are saying that Texas A&M essentially is doing whatever it wants. If that is the case it would seem that A&M can now do the following without any ramifications:

• Declare that academic eligibility is no longer needed and will not be enforced at A&M.
• Declare that class attendance will no longer be needed since academic eligibility will not longer be enforced
• Decide that they will not fund 100 scholarship players by bringing in donor money. If somebody makes a Title 9 complaint they could just have the donors buy 15 girl scholarships to balance things out. Essentially A&M no longer needs to follow the 85 rule or the annual limits - they have no limits.
• Direct NIL $$$ toward not only attendance (which they are doing now against the rules) but provide bonuses for play performance
• Expand the coaching staff with more outside funds to grow recruiting and player development

Is there a link to substantiate this? If true, even partially true, college football will (literally) morph into a second professional league.

 

[Midnighter]

clearly the NCAA seemed to have enforcement authority on Penn State in 2012, and gave us nearly a death penalty for something that was not connected to football, sports or Penn State legally. We were told by numerous people that you could not beat the NCAA in court, and those that tried failed. The university Presidents that govern the NCAA were all in on this enforcement on Penn State. This was less than 10 years ago.

Now today, we are saying that the NCAA has no authority, which implies that the university Presidents have no interest in governance of the NCAA and have defunded/defanged their enforcement. This is why we are saying that Texas A&M essentially is doing whatever it wants. If that is the case it would seem that A&M can now do the following without any ramifications:

• Declare that academic eligibility is no longer needed and will not be enforced at A&M.
• Declare that class attendance will no longer be needed since academic eligibility will not longer be enforced
• Decide that they will not fund 100 scholarship players by bringing in donor money. If somebody makes a Title 9 complaint they could just have the donors buy 15 girl scholarships to balance things out. Essentially A&M no longer needs to follow the 85 rule or the annual limits - they have no limits.
• Direct NIL $$$ toward not only attendance (which they are doing now against the rules) but provide bonuses for play performance
• Expand the coaching staff with more outside funds to grow recruiting and player development

It's a voluntary membership organization. Why Penn State allowed itself to be fined and sanctioned is beyond me - the hit to Pennsylvanians (economy, jobs, etc.) goes beyond not seeing a quality football team on the field. This is why you saw UNC, Miami, Michigan, and Michigan State tell them to F Off. They're not really needed to be honest and there's way too much money at stake anymore in college football/basketball for schools to allow themselves to be robbed.

 

[AvgUser]

the NCAAs gross over-reach of Penn State was the start of their demise. It went quickly downhill.

 

[blion72]

It's a voluntary membership organization. Why Penn State allowed itself to be fined and sanctioned is beyond me - the hit to Pennsylvanians (economy, jobs, etc.) goes beyond not seeing a quality football team on the field. This is why you saw UNC, Miami, Michigan, and Michigan State tell them to F Off. They're not really needed to be honest and there's way too much money at stake anymore in college football/basketball for schools to allow themselves to be robbed.

currently, they represent the only organization that provides any standard governance on the programs. While no school has to belong to the NCAA, I am not sure of that eliminates them from any competition against the member schools. What is the downside of not joining as a member school? Assume that school would not be able to compete in any NCAA tournament or championship. Today that would be very sport except CFB. So if the SEC schools pulled out of the NCAA, then they would not be able to compete in the basketball, track, etc championships. If the NCAA just shut down, what would happen?

 

[Midnighter]

currently, they represent the only organization that provides any standard governance on the programs. While no school has to belong to the NCAA, I am not sure of that eliminates them from any competition against the member schools. What is the downside of not joining as a member school? Assume that school would not be able to compete in any NCAA tournament or championship. Today that would be very sport except CFB. So if the SEC schools pulled out of the NCAA, then they would not be able to compete in the basketball, track, etc championships. If the NCAA just shut down, what would happen?

One downside is allowing them to fine you millions of dollars for something completely unrelated to athletics.

The whole SEC could leave the NCAA and just compete against each other. My guess is people would love it the same. They barely follow or enforce rules as it is.

 

[Metal Mike]

As has been said the NCAA overreached with PSU, and our leadership when along and allowed this to happen. As a result many schools decieded to fight the NCAA and won. To me the big one that showed the NCAA was done was the case with North Carolina. When football and basketball players took some questionable courses the University responed that these courses were open to whole student body. This was the end of academic eligibility.

 

[blion72]

As has been said the NCAA overreached with PSU, and our leadership when along and allowed this to happen. As a result many schools decieded to fight the NCAA and won. To me the big one that showed the NCAA was done was the case with North Carolina. When football and basketball players took some questionable courses the University responed that these courses were open to whole student body. This was the end of academic eligibility.

I thought that the UNC case actually involved academic fraud. That is where the players actually did not complete actual work, had grades altered, etc, and they were treated totally different than standard students. Given that the member schools had a contract to enforce the rules they wanted enforced (i.e. the rules were desired by the members and the NCAA was just the agent), I am not sure how UNC won in an actual court battle.

this may be the time for the NCAA to just go away, and the schools can just drop scholarships. just have each sport survive on its own financially. Pay players as entertainers, and they would not even need to go to school. As you say, there is no academic enforcement anyhow. The schools would not even need an athletic department or budget (most are a loss anyhow). The students can purchase tickets to be entertained by their teams. The sports that cannot pay for themselves would just fold. The schools save on the fees they pay too the NCAA and their athletic dept which includes a lot of compliance people. This does look like where we are headed.

 

[Truthfinder]

I agree with much of what is written here. I would add that it was M-O-N-E-Y that destroyed the NCAA and the seeds for it's destruction were sown years before when they started paying coaches outrageous salaries and then the TV money. A good movie to watch on this: $chooled, The Price of College Sports. If you want amateur college football go watch D-3. Amateurism in this day and age is obsolete. Sorry to say but the Grand Experiment failed because of $.