This could get interesting
https://www.on3.com/news/ncpa-files...s-labor-laws-student-athlete-jordan-bohannon/
https://www.on3.com/news/ncpa-files...s-labor-laws-student-athlete-jordan-bohannon/
NCPA sues NCAA and PAC12
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17'em and feed e'm beans
**** shut it down.
Go play in the 17'n street!
Ha ah, You can down vote my ***, all you want.
Enough is enough.
**** shut it down.
Go play in the 17'n street!
Ha ah, You can down vote my ***, all you want.
Enough is enough.
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These 17’s are GETTING PAID to the tune of about $100,000 17ing dollars if they stay 4 years. More if they redshirt and stay 5
I’m 17ing tired of their 17ing ****!!!
Don’t want to go to college, don’t 17ing go.
Stay your dumbass *** self out for a year or two and then hit the 17ing NFL or NBA!!!
No one is going to miss you getting the free publicity, free tuition and free meals you dumb *****!!!
I’m 17ing tired of their 17ing ****!!!
Don’t want to go to college, don’t 17ing go.
Stay your dumbass *** self out for a year or two and then hit the 17ing NFL or NBA!!!
No one is going to miss you getting the free publicity, free tuition and free meals you dumb *****!!!
Sounds like the politically-appointed folks at the NLRB are already on board…
eta: for the downvoters, here's a short explanation of how politics is actually involved. Will be interesting to see if the IRS takes the same view for tax purposes that athletes' scholarships amount to employment compensation:
Link.
eta: for the downvoters, here's a short explanation of how politics is actually involved. Will be interesting to see if the IRS takes the same view for tax purposes that athletes' scholarships amount to employment compensation:
Link.
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Stephen A Smith gets paid $12 mill a year. Paul Finebaum gets paid $4 mill a year. Maybe there's a whole shitload of money currently being allocated to worthless employees that should instead be used to pay the actual athletes providing all the entertainment everyone and their mother's watch every year. That's just two examples of "misallocation of money". There's bound to be hundreds/thousands more avenues the giants of the sports world are currently using instead of paying players.
You are the dumbest moron alive.
Stephen a Smith and Paul finebaum aren’t paid by the NCAA. I know you know that but you can’t think logically enough to figure it out.
Stephen a Smith and Paul finebaum aren’t paid by the NCAA. I know you know that but you can’t think logically enough to figure it out.
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Sooo.. is the next step to drop the requirements for athletes to attend any classes??? Then college or pro athlete? What's the difference?
Sooo.. is the next step to drop the requirements for athletes to attend any classes??? Then college or pro athlete? What's the difference?
I don't see why they should go to classes
They can pay other students to do their work for them. Barry Stewart was ahead of his time!
They can pay other students to do their work for them. Barry Stewart was ahead of his time!
They aware already getting paid. That college education, college athletic training facilities, college tutoring, room, board, books, tuition, and on and on that they are already getting ain't free. SOMEBODY is paying for it. Make them pay taxes on all that I say. It's income just like anything else.
I thought NIL was going to take care of most of this. I guess these college kids really are as dumb as I thought they were.
It's just like Denis Leary said. "You're 18 years old, you don't know **** about ****, and pull up your pants."
Of course the damn boomers that are in charge are just as stupid, they are letting this crap happen.
It's just like Denis Leary said. "You're 18 years old, you don't know **** about ****, and pull up your pants."
Of course the damn boomers that are in charge are just as stupid, they are letting this crap happen.
College sports as we knew it is over. Greed is the downfall of us all in the end.
College age humans these days are too inexperienced, egotistical and naive to realize if they rubber stamp these union bureaucrats to represent them, they’re simply trading one master for another.
They’re getting paid now, but that degree has been de-valued by many because they had no aspirations of using it for what it was intended. Smart, business savvy sharks realize it, and will capitalize on the upheaval. Make no mistake, these suits will increase, most will win, and players are going to get paid even more. But the world they are proposing will most certainly demand its pound of flesh in new contracts. These contracts will most certainly protect the interests of the players’ new investors. I think it will eventually be a net loss for most college athletes, but the die has been cast, and few listen. Even fewer study history.
If you demand anything from this world, it will most certainly demand something more from you.
College age humans these days are too inexperienced, egotistical and naive to realize if they rubber stamp these union bureaucrats to represent them, they’re simply trading one master for another.
They’re getting paid now, but that degree has been de-valued by many because they had no aspirations of using it for what it was intended. Smart, business savvy sharks realize it, and will capitalize on the upheaval. Make no mistake, these suits will increase, most will win, and players are going to get paid even more. But the world they are proposing will most certainly demand its pound of flesh in new contracts. These contracts will most certainly protect the interests of the players’ new investors. I think it will eventually be a net loss for most college athletes, but the die has been cast, and few listen. Even fewer study history.
If you demand anything from this world, it will most certainly demand something more from you.
If a musician or actor performed live so that many other entities could make millions and even billions off that musicians live shows than maybe you might understand that what the players currently are getting isn't a fair share. Do they already get a lot compared to other students? Yup. Is college athletics a ludicrously profitable business for many many other people that aren't athletes? Yup. Only fair the athletes get their share. Free books and free mash potatoes in the cafeteria doesn't quite equal up to Paul Finebaum's $4 mill a year salary to yap about college football or Dan Mullen's $5 mill a year salary to be a ****** coach.
How in the hell would those guys be able to pay the Income Tax and their share of Social Security on all that stuff they get for playing football?
There will be a players' union eventually
A union of mostly 18-22 year olds that have no idea how the real world works and will be exploited with promises of comp they'll never get. They'll get standardized pay (or based on some kind of scale) and it'll end up about the value of a scholarship + room/board if they are lucky. They'll pay taxes on their new income source. Union leaders will pad their pockets with dues and the kids they conned will realize that play sports for tax free no-tution college was a pretty damn good deal all along.
People have to remember that you can't build a new system around the notion that all these players are big income generators. A handful of very special athletes in a minority of college sports are and they now have the benefit of the NIL world. While that rocks the boat in the short term - it's fair to the individual. The rest are mostly nameless students that go to practice, class, and games/matches. I admire their dedication to sport and the effort that goes into it while getting an education. That's why they are rewarded with free school. The cold truth is the large majority are replaceable when it comes down to the dollars and cents. Sub Player A in with Player B and the world keeps ticking.
How do I reconcile this with athletic departments making net profits/surplus? Like any other business. They invested in the capital. They have developed a fan base over decades. They market and put on the show. They simply have more skin in the game than the athletes who are providing a service compensated in education. Frankly, the departments earn it. Same for the TV networks. Lots of capital investment goes into it. They could tank and be out hundreds of millions. If there's anything I would take issue with is providing some sort of long term health benefit (maybe that's already there?). Sports often breaks you down - if you want to host a thousand athletes in various sports, you need to commit to their health not just while on-campus.
A union of mostly 18-22 year olds that have no idea how the real world works and will be exploited with promises of comp they'll never get. They'll get standardized pay (or based on some kind of scale) and it'll end up about the value of a scholarship + room/board if they are lucky. They'll pay taxes on their new income source. Union leaders will pad their pockets with dues and the kids they conned will realize that play sports for tax free no-tution college was a pretty damn good deal all along.
People have to remember that you can't build a new system around the notion that all these players are big income generators. A handful of very special athletes in a minority of college sports are and they now have the benefit of the NIL world. While that rocks the boat in the short term - it's fair to the individual. The rest are mostly nameless students that go to practice, class, and games/matches. I admire their dedication to sport and the effort that goes into it while getting an education. That's why they are rewarded with free school. The cold truth is the large majority are replaceable when it comes down to the dollars and cents. Sub Player A in with Player B and the world keeps ticking.
How do I reconcile this with athletic departments making net profits/surplus? Like any other business. They invested in the capital. They have developed a fan base over decades. They market and put on the show. They simply have more skin in the game than the athletes who are providing a service compensated in education. Frankly, the departments earn it. Same for the TV networks. Lots of capital investment goes into it. They could tank and be out hundreds of millions. If there's anything I would take issue with is providing some sort of long term health benefit (maybe that's already there?). Sports often breaks you down - if you want to host a thousand athletes in various sports, you need to commit to their health not just while on-campus.
You are not going to like where this ends up. And maybe you don't care? I have a friend that is big time for paying players, and wants to do the things this lawsuit wants to do - decoupling scholarships, etc. He also pretty much has given up all his fandom for college sports besides just passive viewing. If you hate it so much, why not just leave it alone?
Of course, I'm MOST pissed at the idiot boomers in charge who continually cave to the Twitter mobs. The Twitter mobs don't matter, they are just loud, and scare the spineless boomers.
This all harkens back to the innate desire to live in a capitalistic environment
It can be summarized by the statement "I have a value that should be determined by a free and fair market". Huma's statement that "Fairly compensating FBS football and Division I basketball players is a matter of economic justice" is a carefully worded statement where the term justice replaces capitalism, because 'capitalism' is a bad word, but at the same time an innate desire of humans. Like the article says, employee status will come first, and after that the courts will be leveraged to enter compensation negotiations.
It can be summarized by the statement "I have a value that should be determined by a free and fair market". Huma's statement that "Fairly compensating FBS football and Division I basketball players is a matter of economic justice" is a carefully worded statement where the term justice replaces capitalism, because 'capitalism' is a bad word, but at the same time an innate desire of humans. Like the article says, employee status will come first, and after that the courts will be leveraged to enter compensation negotiations.
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I realized during the 2020 season that when you take away everything that make College Football unique (the bands, the tailgating, the pageantry, the atmosphere) and all you're left with is simply the product on the field. You start to realize that the product is actually kind of ****.
I'm ready for when football players are employees and one decides to sue to continue to play in college. If you are an employee what should limit you from playing for more than 4 years?
I'm ready for when football players are employees and one decides to sue to continue to play in college. If you are an employee what should limit you from playing for more than 4 years?
Those guys have contractual obligations to be met. Shall a starting quarterback have the same contract and compensation package as a 3rd string safety?
You don’t get it. NIL is one thing. This lawsuit and the NLRB is another. If that atom gets split, college sports will explode, and not in a good way.
College football has made conservatives turn into hardcore socialists and liberals into hardcore capitalists. Think I'm wrong? Essentially 99% of the guys wanting to blow up the system and pay players and do the union **** are left-leaning whiners. Whereas all the conservatives want to limit scholarships and spread the wealth around so the most powerful can't always win.
The U.S. has been mixing socialism and capitalism since its inception. As long as one or the other doesn't become too dominant, it will work. The capitalism element is the one that people resort to when they see a group of window shoppers lining up to look at a product or service they own whose value has yet to be determined. The socialistic aspect will feed off of the capitalistic aspect, and that is fine as long as, like I said before, it doesn't become too dominant. It's a system that needs to remain in balance and our courts are essential to this process. Not exactly a news flash but I'm bored so....
We've been headed for the atom split ever since coaches started making massive salaries and TV Networks started dishing out billion dollar contracts to the conferences. Don't act like the players are the greedy ones. They are the last doggie at the food bowl. Go ahead and get on with it. NBA has been needing a legitimate minor league system for decades now. Same with football. All these players that are "whining" will be in these yet to be started minor leagues and college football can go back to being college not minor leagues. British Premier League has like ten layers of minor leagues before you get to the big leagues. Why does the NBA and NFL think they can get away with not having actual minor league tiers like baseball does? They can't. They know it and have just been trying to delay it forever now. College football shouldn't be minor league professional football. Roger Goodell and his $50 million annual salary need to start one already. G-League is a good start for the NBA but even with that league most of the players that go undrafted are plucked away by International Leagues. Why? Cause the G-League isn't a big enough minor league system. NFL doesn't even have one. The most profitable of all leagues doesn't have a minor league system to support the development of their future players. That's ****** up.
We finally agree - NFL and NBA have always been the problem. The NBA actually had it right back when you could go pro out of high school, no idea why they changed that and now have one and dones.
Seems to me that the NCAA is going to have to fight back, and double-down on student athlete status. How can you force the NFL and NBA to do anything?
I think that's a choice. You can either believe it or dismiss it. Believing it seems to me to be an overlay negative and fatalistic POV that assumes the necessary changes cannot be made. The problems are these:
1) Coaches making idiotic salaries;
2) Coaches (and whoever else) steering players to ****** degrees so they can spend more time on sports;
3) Lack of the players being able to make money on their own;
We solved #3. NCAA could cap salaries and solve #1. Seems we could live with #2.
The NCAA is strapped for cash and barely solvent it is at $18.9 billion a year! How are they going to pay those athletes??
https://www.statista.com/chart/25236/ncaa-athletic-department-revenue/
In the United States, college sports – especially American football and Basketball – play a much larger role than in other countries, almost level with professional sports. Universities collectively generate billions of dollars from TV deals, sponsorships and ticket sales with total revenue generated by NCAA athletic departments in 2019 adding up to $18.9 billion. In many cases, football and basketball coaches get paid millions of dollars a year, all while athletes are forced to maintain “amateur status”.
https://www.statista.com/chart/25236/ncaa-athletic-department-revenue/
In the United States, college sports – especially American football and Basketball – play a much larger role than in other countries, almost level with professional sports. Universities collectively generate billions of dollars from TV deals, sponsorships and ticket sales with total revenue generated by NCAA athletic departments in 2019 adding up to $18.9 billion. In many cases, football and basketball coaches get paid millions of dollars a year, all while athletes are forced to maintain “amateur status”.
No doubt
As long as checks and balances remain and the scales tip back the other way when one side bites off more than it should chew, I'm okay. I have no idea if that's happening right now or now - seems like crazier than usual time - but, I digress.
As this relates to college athletics, I have a simple litmus to determine if student athletes are being taken advantage of. Get a list of names of student athletes that decided "free college for play" was punitive and turned it down to pay their own way through school instead because they were financially better off that way. Going to be a minute before anyone makes it on that list. And for the very few that populate that list, what's the issue? They made an adult decision from a market of alternatives. If they want to unionize, more power to them. That's their right. I seriously doubt they will be thrilled with what falls out of that though...
As long as checks and balances remain and the scales tip back the other way when one side bites off more than it should chew, I'm okay. I have no idea if that's happening right now or now - seems like crazier than usual time - but, I digress.
As this relates to college athletics, I have a simple litmus to determine if student athletes are being taken advantage of. Get a list of names of student athletes that decided "free college for play" was punitive and turned it down to pay their own way through school instead because they were financially better off that way. Going to be a minute before anyone makes it on that list. And for the very few that populate that list, what's the issue? They made an adult decision from a market of alternatives. If they want to unionize, more power to them. That's their right. I seriously doubt they will be thrilled with what falls out of that though...
The last sentences of your post says it all. The NFL doesn’t have a minor league but is the most successful? Why would they need one then? The product has continuously gotten better. Not to mention it’s one thing to play 4 years of minor league ball as a 1st baseman. You could still have 15 years in front of you. Playing 4 years of minor league football as a RB? That’s not going to leave a lot of treads on the tires.
Because their draft pool of players is about to start declining. Isn't that what y'all are worried about for CFB? The product is about to decline cause players are too greedy? If that's not it than why does anyone else give a 17? Not like it's their money that the players are asking for.
One key thing that I overlooked for a long time was what a "college education" meant for most of the football and basketball athletes. Unless they are incredibly gifted in academics, they will for all practical purposes be "forced" into majors that exist just to get jocks through school; majors that have a near zero chance of getting them gainful employment. To me it really is just a matter of the Uni paying for tuition toward a meaningless degree because they have to be students to play. i.e. the student athlete derives nearly zero value from the degree that they may earn, if they hang around long enough to get it. Nevermind that the university sees fit to use money to pay for them to get useless degrees...
I think that if we want to discuss labor laws it should be towards whatever is in place that prevents them from going pro out of high school in any sport. Ideally there would be a minor league for all sports that provided an alternative path. At present, the money that would potentially fund that is tied up in university athletics. It's not an easy problem to unwind.
I think that if we want to discuss labor laws it should be towards whatever is in place that prevents them from going pro out of high school in any sport. Ideally there would be a minor league for all sports that provided an alternative path. At present, the money that would potentially fund that is tied up in university athletics. It's not an easy problem to unwind.
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The NBA did that because during collective bargaining, the Player's Association pushed for it. They wanted to help protect those already in the league from being pushed aside for unproductive teens who showed potential.
That doesn't make any sense at all. Why would their draft pool decline? Nobody is saying that the product will decline, as far as talent. We're saying that it's losing what made college ball great. It will essentially be pro ball for guys too young for the NFL.
I'll still watch, but I won't be nearly as attached to it. The tribalism will be gone.
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