New pitching coach in the saddle, great its about time. Question is, why

[The Peeper]

after only 2 seasons at SC? They were a Regional Host and winner and moved on to a Super. Why would you leave that to come here which has to be the most challenging coaching position a pitching coach could be at anywhere in the country? And after only 2 seasons there? I'd like to hear details of the contract to satisfy my curiosity because the answers such as "he had done all he could there", "a motivated coach is always looking for the next challenge", etc don't add up. Sounds like a good hire but I'd just like to know why

 

[8dog]

after only 2 seasons at SC? They were a Regional Host and winner and moved on to a Super. Why would you leave that to come here which has to be the most challenging coaching position a pitching coach could be at anywhere in the country? And after only 2 seasons there? I'd like to hear details of the contract to satisfy my curiosity because the answers such as "he had done all he could there", "a motivated coach is always looking for the next challenge", etc don't add up. Sounds like a good hire but I'd just like to know why

1. Instability at SC- coach may be leaving (and not taking JP with him possibly) and it doesn’t seem like Tanner wants Kingston

2. More money. SC isn’t committed to baseball bc of WBK a which doesn’t make total sense to me but whatever.

3. Lem and Parker have a connection.

 

[cowbell88]

The DUDE Effect!

 

[theoriginalSALTYdog]

The DUDE Effect!

Speaking of Dude's he better bring in some or his shelf life here will be less than a year.

 

[Podgy]

And to think progress means making Hoover next year. The goal should be a regional.

 

[The Peeper]

1. Instability at SC- coach may be leaving (and not taking JP with him possibly) and it doesn’t seem like Tanner wants Kingston

2. More money. SC isn’t committed to baseball bc of WBK a which doesn’t make total sense to me but whatever.

3. Lem and Parker have a connection.

1. "MAY be leaving not taking JP w/ him possibly" If that's the case, big red flag.

2018 first season swept LSU and won series against Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Missouri and Texas A&M on its way to a third place finish in the SEC East (17-13) and fifth-place overall conference finish. Won a regional, won 1 of 3 in Super against AR

2019 went to SEC tourney

2020 went 12-4 in Covid season in conference only games

2021 hosted regional

2022 Solid at home 21-12 sucked balls on road 4-14. 27-28 overall

2023 Hosted and won a regional and moved on to Gainsville where Gators put them out.

Tanner doesn't want that? Then he needs to continue to snuggle up to ole Miss Staley

2. "more money" Maybe but I'd like all the contract details to really understand it

3. Connection? He went to Indiana after Lemonis left so they didn't work together, just a friend of a friend connection?

It just doesn't all add up and we may never know the whole truth

 

[8dog]

1. "MAY be leaving not taking JP w/ him possibly" If that's the case, big red flag.

2018 first season swept LSU and won series against Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Missouri and Texas A&M on its way to a third place finish in the SEC East (17-13) and fifth-place overall conference finish. Won a regional, won 1 of 3 in Super against AR

2019 went to SEC tourney

2020 went 12-4 in Covid season in conference only games

2021 hosted regional

2022 Solid at home 21-12 sucked balls on road 27-28 overall

2023 Hosted and won a regional and moved on to Gainsville where Gators put them out.

Tanner doesn't want that? Then he needs to continue to snuggle up to ole Miss Staley

2. "more money" Maybe but I'd like all the contract details to really understand it

3. Connection? He went to Indiana after Lemonis left so they didn't work together, just a friend of a friend connection?

It just doesn't all add up and we may never know the whole truth

I think you are making a red flag when there isn’t one. Kingston was being considered for Miami but he would likely have to keep their long time PC.

As for Tanner not wanting him I don’t know. He has been inconsistent and I think his job was on the line this year. I mean making the sec tourney in 2019 at 8-22 is not something to brag about. Then they missed regionals again in 2022. I wouldnt want him at State and don’t know why Miami would.

I dont know what the connection is but there is a connection. This guy has done nothing but put good staffs together. As I noted his 2022 sc staff was rough but they were having to rebuild it.

 

[ronpolk]

after only 2 seasons at SC? They were a Regional Host and winner and moved on to a Super. Why would you leave that to come here which has to be the most challenging coaching position a pitching coach could be at anywhere in the country? And after only 2 seasons there? I'd like to hear details of the contract to satisfy my curiosity because the answers such as "he had done all he could there", "a motivated coach is always looking for the next challenge", etc don't add up. Sounds like a good hire but I'd just like to know why

I think you’re trying to make this a problem when it’s not…

1) state is a better job than South Carolina in baseball. It just is.

2) most of these assistant coaches operate on 1 year contracts anyway. It’s just the nature of it. I don’t think a talented and well thought of coach is going to be too worried about the possibility of Lemonis being fired next year.

 

[Old Dawg]

1. "MAY be leaving not taking JP w/ him possibly" If that's the case, big red flag.

2018 first season swept LSU and won series against Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, Missouri and Texas A&M on its way to a third place finish in the SEC East (17-13) and fifth-place overall conference finish. Won a regional, won 1 of 3 in Super against AR

2019 went to SEC tourney

2020 went 12-4 in Covid season in conference only games

2021 hosted regional

2022 Solid at home 21-12 sucked balls on road 27-28 overall

2023 Hosted and won a regional and moved on to Gainsville where Gators put them out.

Tanner doesn't want that? Then he needs to continue to snuggle up to ole Miss Staley

2. "more money" Maybe but I'd like all the contract details to really understand it

3. Connection? He went to Indiana after Lemonis left so they didn't work together, just a friend of a friend connection?

It just doesn't all add up and we may never know the whole truth

Hey take the win! Why do you want so much drama where there is none. We offered, he looked at us with open eyes. He chose MSU. Take the win.

 

[PK Dawg]

What’s the deal with peeper? Big ol ***** I guess?

 

[PK Dawg]

Pu$$y*

 

[Cantdoitsal]

Not sure why but this hire seems like an attempt to put a scoop of ice cream on a giant turd to make it more appetizing.

 

[CoastRat.sixpack]

Not sure why but this hire seems like an attempt to put a scoop of ice cream on a giant turd trying to make it more appetizing.

Your analogy fails here, because putting ice cream on it would make it more appetizing than not having it. So adding a good coach to a bad team (or badly coached team?) can only make it better. It still might not be good, but it'll be better.

 

[Seinfeld]

And to think progress means making Hoover next year. The goal should be a regional.

I am serious as a heart attack when I say this, but if this comes to pass and Lemonis is indeed retained after missing a regional for the 3rd straight year, I will quit following MSU baseball until we have an AD that actually cares about baseball

 

[Cantdoitsal]

Your analogy fails here, because putting ice cream on it would make it more appetizing than not having it. So adding a good coach to a bad team (or badly coached team?) can only make it better. It still might not be good, but it'll be better.

Still ain't taking a bite.

 

[8dog]

I am serious as a heart attack when I say this, but if this comes to pass and Lemonis is indeed retained after missing a regional for the 3rd straight year, I will quit following MSU baseball until we have an AD that actually cares about baseball

Lem has pulled off something amazing. He can be a 3 seed next year and people will think he is doing good bc he totally reset expectations by being so bad at his job

I need to try this in my career.

 

[Ranchdawg]

We hired a good pitching coach and this thread reads like someone threw a turd in our punch bowl. All you Lemonis haters need to realize he's our coach for another year like it or not. All your whining and belly aching is not going to change that. Those of us that visit this site already know how you feel so you are wasting your and our time posting the same old s*** you've posted 100 times. We get it, you want Lemonis fired. Well it ain't happening. Have a nice day.

 

[Old Dawg]

after only 2 seasons at SC? They were a Regional Host and winner and moved on to a Super. Why would you leave that to come here which has to be the most challenging coaching position a pitching coach could be at anywhere in the country? And after only 2 seasons there? I'd like to hear details of the contract to satisfy my curiosity because the answers such as "he had done all he could there", "a motivated coach is always looking for the next challenge", etc don't add up. Sounds like a good hire but I'd just like to know why

I'm sure Zac will be emailing you a copy of the contract for review. I'm old, I don't get why our fanbase always looks for the negative instead of enjoying the positive. Maybe he wanted the most challenging coaching position a pitching coach could have. You may have answered your own question.

 

[Seinfeld]

Lem has pulled off something amazing. He can be a 3 seed next year and people will think he is doing good bc he totally reset expectations by being so bad at his job

I need to try this in my career.

To this day, I cannot wrap my head around it. Two consecutive years of performance so bad that it can only be explained by either gross negligence or incomparable incompetence, and not only does he keep his job, he’s getting paid at the top of his class to stick around.

I cannot put these puzzle pieces together no matter how hard I try

 

[Mr. Cook]

And to think progress means making Hoover next year. The goal should be a regional.

 

[Mr. Cook]

I think you’re trying to make this a problem when it’s not…

1) state is a better job than South Carolina in baseball. It just is.

2) most of these assistant coaches operate on 1 year contracts anyway. It’s just the nature of it. I don’t think a talented and well thought of coach is going to be too worried about the possibility of Lemonis being fired next year.

Agree your opening remark

As for MSU being a better job than SC, I think it depends on the lens through which you view it. Upside potential at MSU is higher but SC seems to have risen from the ashes this year. Facilities definitely in MSU's favor.

You hit that mark on assistant coaches -- those are transient positions by their very nature.

 

[kired]

lol, just can't accept something good happening huh?

 

[She Mate Me]

To this day, I cannot wrap my head around it. Two consecutive years of performance so bad that it can only be explained by either gross negligence or incomparable incompetence, and not only does he keep his job, he’s getting paid at the top of his class to stick around.

I cannot put these puzzle pieces together no matter how hard I try

It ain't hard. He won a national championship two years ago at a school that was incredibly hungry for one.

That bought him a ton of chances to F up and not lose his job.

 

[patdog]

It ain't hard. He won a national championship two years ago at a school that was incredibly hungry for one.

That bought him a ton of chances to F up and not lose his job.

If true, and it apparently is, that is extremely concerning. We better get serious about baseball if we ever want to get back to what we once were. Letting a coach run a program into the cellar with no real accountability is a big problem.

 

[beachbumdawg]

 

[Cantdoitsal]

We hired a good pitching coach and this thread reads like someone threw a turd in our punch bowl. All you Lemonis haters need to realize he's our coach for another year like it or not. All your whining and belly aching is not going to change that. Those of us that visit this site already know how you feel so you are wasting your and our time posting the same old s*** you've posted 100 times. We get it, you want Lemonis fired. Well it ain't happening. Have a nice day.

It ain't like STATE invented Msg Board Coach Bichin'.

 

[Cantdoitsal]

Lem has pulled off something amazing. He can be a 3 seed next year and people will think he is doing good bc he totally reset expectations by being so bad at his job

I need to try this in my career.

Yep, been in competitive sales all my life and despite past good performances it's always been "What Have You Done For Me Lately" every 17ing day.

 

[The Peeper]

There goes the theory that Kingston leaving SC is the reason Parker came here

 

[patdog]

There goes the theory that Kingston leaving SC is the reason Parker came here

Yeah. Looks like we were the best landing spot Parker could find. No idea why USC let him go so easily though. Still think it’s about as good a hire as we could reasonably expect.

 

[thekimmer]

It ain't hard. He won a national championship two years ago at a school that was incredibly hungry for one.

That bought him a ton of chances to F up and not lose his job.

I don't get this mindset. To me winning a NC leading up to these last two years makes the case all the stronger to fire his a**.

 

[beachbumdawg]

I don't get this mindset. To me winning a NC leading up to these last two years makes the case all the stronger to fire his a**.

My sentiment as well

 

[dawgstudent]

1. Instability at SC- coach may be leaving (and not taking JP with him possibly) and it doesn’t seem like Tanner wants Kingston

2. More money. SC isn’t committed to baseball bc of WBK a which doesn’t make total sense to me but whatever.

3. Lem and Parker have a connection.

You also think he had some sort of "long term" guaranteed contract to entice him as well. I mean long term in the sense of an assistant coach's contract.

 

[beachbumdawg]

Yeah. Looks like we were the best landing spot Parker could find. No idea why USC let him go so easily though. Still think it’s about as good a hire as we could reasonably expect.

As quick as usc hired replacement, I’d venture to say he was asked to look

 

[Ddog]

To this day, I cannot wrap my head around it. Two consecutive years of performance so bad that it can only be explained by either gross negligence or incomparable incompetence, and not only does he keep his job, he’s getting paid at the top of his class to stick around.

I cannot put these puzzle pieces together no matter how hard I try

You need to try harder.

 

[NTDawg]

It ain't like STATE invented Msg Board Coach Bichin'.

No but we have it down to a science

 

[8dog]

You also think he had some sort of "long term" guaranteed contract to entice him as well. I mean long term in the sense of an assistant coach's contract.

Yes. Id bet at least 3 year guarantee.

 

[BingleCocktail]

THE REEL QUESTION IS WHO CARES? CAUSE ITS ALMOST F00TBALL SEASON

 

[Maroon Eagle]

THE REEL QUESTION IS WHO CARES? CAUSE ITS ALMOST F00TBALL SEASON

If not for the schedule graphics, Ewe KNOW that last week’s SEC Roll Call would have had the State guy worried about the pitching coach… **

 

[thekimmer]

To this day, I cannot wrap my head around it. Two consecutive years of performance so bad that it can only be explained by either gross negligence or incomparable incompetence, and not only does he keep his job, he’s getting paid at the top of his class to stick around.

I cannot put these puzzle pieces together no matter how hard I try

THIS all day long! Followed up 5 years of fantastic baseball culminating in a NC with CONSECUTIVE historically horrible seasons! That should never be allowed to happen and the HC keeps his job. Previously I did a quick take of the 8 teams that went to Omaha in 2021 and how they followed up that trip to the CWS. None of them were anywhere close to what we did. Several went back to Omaha and NONE missed post-season play both seasons. Only one team, NCState missed post season but just one of the two seasons.

 

[Willow Grove Dawg]

USCE 24/7 moderator said in a thread last night that Williams was offered the pitching coach job prior to Parker & Williams turned it down.