NFL 10/17-10/21/24 (other than the Iggles)

[BobPSU92]

Final, Thursday night (10/17): Broncos 33, Saints 10 (A$$. BEATING. )

On now: Patriots vs. Jaguars, in London, NFL Network

10-0, Patriots, early 2nd quarter

Is the NFL sending the New England Patriots to London a huge “F*ck you” to the Brits?

 

[CoolBean]

Parker Washigton Punt return TD

 

[BobPSU92]

Patriots defeated in London!

Final: Jagwires 32, Patriots 16

belichick and brady laugh at kraft.

 

[BobPSU92]

deshaun watson taken off the field on a cart. Speculation is a torn Achilles.

 

[CoolBean]

 

[LionJim]

Carolina 0-20 Washington with the first half winding down. Washington has 2 passing yards.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Carolina 0-20 Washington with the first half winding down. Washington has 2 passing yards.

Really confused on what's happening with Daniels. Thought the injury was non-contact, and don't ever remember seeing a non-contact broken rib. And then thought the x-ray would be pretty quick...can't believe there is still no info.

Then again, it's unlikely to matter today.

 

[LionJim]

Really confused on what's happening with Daniels. Thought the injury was non-contact, and don't ever remember seeing a non-contact broken rib. And then thought the x-ray would be pretty quick...can't believe there is still no info.

Then again, it's unlikely to matter today.

Daniels just now came out to the sideline, smiling and waving. A good sign.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Daniels just now came out to the sideline, smiling and waving. A good sign.

 

[LionJim]

Carolina 0-20 Washington with the first half winding down. Washington has 2 passing yards.

Now 0-34 Washington, halfway through the third. Carolina is a very bad team.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Now 0-34 Washington, halfway through the third. Carolina is a very bad team.

Plays like this certainly support your argument:

 

[Erial_Lion]

Now 0-34 Washington, halfway through the third. Carolina is a very bad team.

They can run the ball, but they totally abandoned the run today when they got down (and have a few times this season). That Pick-6 from Fowler really changed the game. And the fact that they can't stop the run kills them in a game like this.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Tom McAndrew]

The Browns are a mess. You could argue that this injury may benefit them.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

14-6, Chiefs, at the half

 

[SleepyLion]

The Browns are a mess. You could argue that this injury may benefit them.

He probably did not get the proper massage this week. Tendon was too tight.

 

[Erial_Lion]

The Browns are a mess. You could argue that this injury may benefit them.

His contact is an absolute anchor on their franchise right now. I have no idea where they go moving forward, as Watson working out is about the only positive option.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Carolina sticking with Dalton when down 37 in the 4th really removes all doubt about Bryce Young's future there, IMO.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Carolina sticking with Dalton when down 37 in the 4th really removes all doubt about Bryce Young's future there, IMO.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

@LionJim -- not bad stats from your backup.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

And then there is this, from the Giants' starter

 

[BobPSU92]

Plays like this certainly support your argument:

Give dalton a break. He’s green and is still learning the game.

 

[LB99]

The Browns are a mess. You could argue that this injury may benefit them.

I think Watson just played his last NFL game.

 

[LB99]

His contact is an absolute anchor on their franchise right now. I have no idea where they go moving forward, as Watson working out is about the only positive option.

And that’s why they never win anything. Dumb front office decisions.

 

[LionJim]

I think Watson just played his last NFL game.

Agree. He’d have to be 100% committed to rehab to come back. I’m not seeing it. He’s a mess mentally already.

 

[Erial_Lion]

I think Watson just played his last NFL game.

How? Cutting him isn't an option really.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Agree. He’d have to be 100% committed to rehab to come back. I’m not seeing it. He’s a mess mentally already.

I see no way that he just voluntarily leaves $100,000,000+ on the table. He'll be back next season.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Some further context...

Releasing Watson would cost the Browns a $172+ million dead cap hit. Even if they did it as a post-6/1 move to spread it out over two years, it would cost them about $119 million next year, and about $54 million the following year. The biggest single season dead cap hit until this point was Denver taking a $53 million hit to move on from Wilson.

The Browns only "hope" is for something to come back on Watson strongly enough to get him suspended and his contract somehow voided.

 

[LionJim]

Some further context...

Releasing Watson would cost the Browns a $172+ million dead cap hit. Even if they did it as a post-6/1 move to spread it out over two years, it would cost them about $119 million next year, and about $54 million the following year. The biggest single season dead cap hit until this point was Denver taking a $53 million hit to move on from Wilson.

The Browns only "hope" is for something to come back on Watson strongly enough to get him suspended and his contract somehow voided.

So the injury doesn’t really change a thing?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

How? Cutting him isn't an option really.

I see no way that he just voluntarily leaves $100,000,000+ on the table. He'll be back next season.

Yeah, that seems highly unlikely. He's guaranteed through 2026. (salary: 2024 - 1,210,000; 2025 - 46,000,000; 2026 - 46,000,000) He has a full no-trade clause thru 2026. His signing bonus was $44.965 M, so even if he doesn't come back, or is cut, the cap hit on the Browns would be huge (combo of signing bonus and guaranteed salary). For example, in 2025, his cap hit would be $72,935,000, and the dead cap would be $172,770,000. In 2026, his cap hit would be $72,935,000, and the dead cap would be $99,835,000. FWIW, he's going to be a cap hit to the Browns in 2027, even though he'll be a FA. In 2027, his cap hit will be $26,900,000, and the dead cap will also be $26,900,000. The Browns structured things so that his contract is back loaded, so the worse years of the cap hit are in 2025 and 2026. His cap hit numbers and dead cap numbers this season are not nearly as bad as 2025 and 2026 (cap hit: $27,942678; dead cap: $200,712,678)

 

[Tom McAndrew]

The Browns only "hope" is for something to come back on Watson strongly enough to get him suspended and his contract somehow voided.

Actually, I don't think that will help the Browns. Reportedly, he has language in his contract that stipulates that if he is suspended he doesn't forfeit his signing bonus and his future guarantees are not voided.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

this is going to cost each of then some $$$

 

[Tom McAndrew]

this will also likely cost each player some $$$

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Erial_Lion]

So the injury doesn’t really change a thing?

Nope...the Browns fully guaranteed the rest of the $ in his contract to free up more $ in the short term. So basically, as long as Watson wants to get paid, he shows up (barring a catastrophic injury...while the achilles is "just" a really bad injury).

 

[Erial_Lion]

Actually, I don't think that will help the Browns. Reportedly, he has language in his contract that stipulates that if he is suspended he doesn't forfeit his signing bonus and his future guarantees are not voided.

I believe I read that this was true for all of the "known" accusers (they wrote that in). But new accusers/charges could put some of the guarantees in jeopardy.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

I believe I read that this was true for all of the "known" accusers (they wrote that in). But new accusers/charges could put some of the guarantees in jeopardy.

that could be. I don't know those degree of details

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Tom McAndrew]

LOL, I missed this: