NIL and taxable income

blion72

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meeting with our tax accountant/lawyer for this year's fun. I asked a question around how NIL was taxed.

The answer we got was that the organization that was paying the funds would need to be some type of legal entity that itself can be taxed and audited. This entity would process the player's W-9 as an independent contractor, and identify the services that the entity is paying the player for. The entity will already have identified its income, and then disburse payments to the players (possibly the player is an LLC). In most cases, these have been companies, so tax returns exist for them.

the player tax return first covers the NIL income, and don't think anyone is surprised by that. The player then may be taxed for in kind income. I know that free tuition and room and board have been discussed by many. If the school charges for use of its logos, jersey and other brand there is an established market value. The school could charge the the player for the use of its logos, jerseys, etc. If the school eliminated or reduced its standard charge for the logos, etc, then that is treated like loan forgiveness, and taxed as ordinary income to the player (i.e. their LLC return). The paying entity could get involved to address the payment for school image, but then their taxes become impacted. The paying entity would also likely have an agreement with the player to cover that use.

in any case, this is a very complex legal and tax planning issue for players. I know schools have set up general educational platforms for the players, but they aren't providing lawyers and tax accountants to organize this for players. given that some of the players might be considered "rich" under the current view of taxes and the desire for all to pay their fair share, it would seem the IRS is going to be all over auditing these entities and players very shortly. Imagine Ewers will have an interesting tax return this year.
 

Tchains23

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meeting with our tax accountant/lawyer for this year's fun. I asked a question around how NIL was taxed.

The answer we got was that the organization that was paying the funds would need to be some type of legal entity that itself can be taxed and audited. This entity would process the player's W-9 as an independent contractor, and identify the services that the entity is paying the player for. The entity will already have identified its income, and then disburse payments to the players (possibly the player is an LLC). In most cases, these have been companies, so tax returns exist for them.

the player tax return first covers the NIL income, and don't think anyone is surprised by that. The player then may be taxed for in kind income. I know that free tuition and room and board have been discussed by many. If the school charges for use of its logos, jersey and other brand there is an established market value. The school could charge the the player for the use of its logos, jerseys, etc. If the school eliminated or reduced its standard charge for the logos, etc, then that is treated like loan forgiveness, and taxed as ordinary income to the player (i.e. their LLC return). The paying entity could get involved to address the payment for school image, but then their taxes become impacted. The paying entity would also likely have an agreement with the player to cover that use.

in any case, this is a very complex legal and tax planning issue for players. I know schools have set up general educational platforms for the players, but they aren't providing lawyers and tax accountants to organize this for players. given that some of the players might be considered "rich" under the current view of taxes and the desire for all to pay their fair share, it would seem the IRS is going to be all over auditing these entities and players very shortly. Imagine Ewers will have an interesting tax return this year.
So, you don’t think the players agent or agency will help? Or the NIL companies like Opendorse, who help set up the deal, will help? Can’t imagine Ewers tax return will be tough.
 

manatree

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What’s the problem? The players can do what any other person does if their taxes are too far out of their comfort zone, use some of the money they earned and pay someone to do their taxes for them. Seems to work just fine for the OP, I’m sure it will work just fine for any player fortunate enough to get an NIL job.
 
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J.E.B

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It’s income and needs to be reported as such. Working on NIL since June, I’ve been pretty much told that it is really nothing more than a summer job for the vast majority of kids with the average transaction at less than $700....
 

WeAre

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So, you don’t think the players agent or agency will help? Or the NIL companies like Opendorse, who help set up the deal, will help? Can’t imagine Ewers tax return will be tough.
Most of Ewers contract was not executed. He was required to meet certain performance objectives which he did not meet. Pretty sure that very little actually went to the young man.
 

Tchains23

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Most of Ewers contract was not executed. He was required to meet certain performance objectives which he did not meet. Pretty sure that very little actually went to the young man.
That would be incorrect. He was not req to meet any performance objectives. That is not hiw NIL agreements work.
 

WeAre

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That would be incorrect. He was not req to meet any performance objectives. That is not hiw NIL agreements work.
It was originally reported that there were performance objectives by multiple sources that Ewers did not receive the full NIL contract payout. In fact, those performance objectives were written into the original contract. The Ohio St based NIL companies now claim that the performance objectives were not in the final signed contract with Ewers as that would have rendered him ineligible and Ohio St in violation of compliance. So, you are correct. Although the original reporting and version of the contracts with Ewers did have performance objectives, it appears that Ohio St NIL companies at some point caved as that would have been an NCAA violation and perhaps against law (I don't know Ohio NIL law).

Here is the full discussion: Quinn Ewers, NIL and the Transfer Portal (extrapointsmb.com)
 

LookSharp

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meeting with our tax accountant/lawyer for this year's fun. I asked a question around how NIL was taxed.

The answer we got was that the organization that was paying the funds would need to be some type of legal entity that itself can be taxed and audited. This entity would process the player's W-9 as an independent contractor, and identify the services that the entity is paying the player for. The entity will already have identified its income, and then disburse payments to the players (possibly the player is an LLC). In most cases, these have been companies, so tax returns exist for them.

the player tax return first covers the NIL income, and don't think anyone is surprised by that. The player then may be taxed for in kind income. I know that free tuition and room and board have been discussed by many. If the school charges for use of its logos, jersey and other brand there is an established market value. The school could charge the the player for the use of its logos, jerseys, etc. If the school eliminated or reduced its standard charge for the logos, etc, then that is treated like loan forgiveness, and taxed as ordinary income to the player (i.e. their LLC return). The paying entity could get involved to address the payment for school image, but then their taxes become impacted. The paying entity would also likely have an agreement with the player to cover that use.

in any case, this is a very complex legal and tax planning issue for players. I know schools have set up general educational platforms for the players, but they aren't providing lawyers and tax accountants to organize this for players. given that some of the players might be considered "rich" under the current view of taxes and the desire for all to pay their fair share, it would seem the IRS is going to be all over auditing these entities and players very shortly. Imagine Ewers will have an interesting tax return this year.

It sounds like a new victimization category to me, and one which requires public funding.
 

Woodpecker

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How is this any different than what professional athletes with endorsement deals have to go through every year.
Or anyone whose NIL is being used for promotional purposes.

 
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