NIL craziness gets…CRAZIER

[18IsTheMan]

Members of the 1983 NC State title team are suing the NCAA over NIL. Per the lawsuit:

“For more than 40 years, the NCAA and its co-conspirators have systematically and intentionally misappropriated the Cardiac Pack’s publicity rights — including their names, images, and likenesses — associated with that game and that play, reaping scores of millions of dollars from the Cardiac Pack’s legendary victory,”

So, basically, any player in the history of the NCAA who has been in a promo is going to sue now. There has to be a limit to the insanity, right?

10 members of NC State's 1983 national champions sue NCAA over name, image and likeness compensation

Ten players from North Carolina State’s 1983 national champion basketball team have sued the NCAA and the Collegiate Licensing Company seeking compensation for unauthorized use of their name, image and likeness.

apnews.com

 

[Carolina Doc]

Members of the 1983 NC State title team are suing the NCAA over NIL. Per the lawsuit:

“For more than 40 years, the NCAA and its co-conspirators have systematically and intentionally misappropriated the Cardiac Pack’s publicity rights — including their names, images, and likenesses — associated with that game and that play, reaping scores of millions of dollars from the Cardiac Pack’s legendary victory,”

So, basically, any player in the history of the NCAA who has been in a promo is going to sue now. There has to be a limit to the insanity, right?

10 members of NC State's 1983 national champions sue NCAA over name, image and likeness compensation

Ten players from North Carolina State’s 1983 national champion basketball team have sued the NCAA and the Collegiate Licensing Company seeking compensation for unauthorized use of their name, image and likeness.

apnews.com

We will soon be hearing from the families of Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron about what's due to them.

 

[DrMickeySC]

Well, it’s both. This is crazy. And…they may have a point legally. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, and what is left when this is all over.

I think before the age of 10 million per year coaching salaries and the facilities boom (because the schools had to spend all of that money somewhere other than the players), there wouldn’t be a lawsuit. But upper level college sports is a cash cow. And the players want a piece of it.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Well, it’s both. This is crazy. And…they may have a point legally. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, and what is left when this is all over.

I think before the age of 10 million per year coaching salaries and the facilities boom (because the schools had to spend all of that money somewhere other than the players), there wouldn’t be a lawsuit. But upper level college sports is a cash cow. And the players want a piece of it.

If it’s deemed they have a case, then literally every player who has ever been shown in an NCAA promo, lead-in or commercial can sue.

I agree that coaching salaries is what really tipped this NIL thing over the edge.

 

[Yard_Pimps]

Members of the 1983 NC State title team are suing the NCAA over NIL. Per the lawsuit:

“For more than 40 years, the NCAA and its co-conspirators have systematically and intentionally misappropriated the Cardiac Pack’s publicity rights — including their names, images, and likenesses — associated with that game and that play, reaping scores of millions of dollars from the Cardiac Pack’s legendary victory,”

So, basically, any player in the history of the NCAA who has been in a promo is going to sue now. There has to be a limit to the insanity, right?

10 members of NC State's 1983 national champions sue NCAA over name, image and likeness compensation

Ten players from North Carolina State’s 1983 national champion basketball team have sued the NCAA and the Collegiate Licensing Company seeking compensation for unauthorized use of their name, image and likeness.

apnews.com

I thought stature of limitations would come in to play here but could be wrong. I’m not a lawyer. I know that’s why the recent settlement doesn’t go beyond 2016 I believe.

 

[Lurker123]

I thought stature of limitations would come in to play here but could be wrong.

Statute of limitations doesn't matter if you can tie it to another crime, even if that crime is made up.


What, too soon?

 

[18IsTheMan]

I thought stature of limitations would come in to play here but could be wrong. I’m not a lawyer. I know that’s why the recent settlement doesn’t go beyond 2016 I believe.

I would guess the NCAA probably shows that clip every year so their suit is within whatever the statute of limitations would be.

 

[Irvin Snibbley]

The 2.7 settlement was limited to athletes after a certain date.Look for a class action suit similar to the NC State case bring in older athletes.I think the NCAA might be headed to bankruptcy.

 

[18IsTheMan]

The 2.7 settlement was limited to athletes after a certain date.Look for a class action suit similar to the NC State case bring in older athletes.I think the NCAA might be headed to bankruptcy.

Could have dire financial consequences for schools as well.

The best thing that could happen at this point would be to see college athletics laid waste.

 

[Forkcock]

Could have dire financial consequences for schools as well.

The best thing that could happen at this point would be to see college athletics laid waste.

I’ve been saying for years, these kids are going to destroy the one thing that they all need, college athletics.

 

[gamecock stock]

It's come to a point that Ivy League sports is the last bastion of pure college sports.

If the schools decided to shut down their athletic programs, it would be fine with me. There are other more important things in life. They won't shut it down, though, because no one, people nor institutions, are immune to greed.

 

[Patriot321]

It's come to a point that Ivy League sports is the last bastion of pure college sports.

If the schools decided to shut down their athletic programs, it would be fine with me. There are other more important things in life. They won't shut it down, though, because no one, people nor institutions, are immune to greed.

I continue to gradually move away from all college sports, have for the past 2 years, and from pro sports quite a few years ago. There are so many other forms of entertainment that don't have all this chaos to deal with. Agree, they can shut it all down, but they won't, all about the $$

 

[Johnnysurf]

 

[92Pony]

It's come to a point that Ivy League sports is the last bastion of pure college sports.

If the schools decided to shut down their athletic programs, it would be fine with me. There are other more important things in life. They won't shut it down, though, because no one, people nor institutions, are immune to greed.

I'm with you (and I probably go a little farther than.... ). If we want to watch $$$-inflated egos running around throwing/hitting/catching a ball, we have the NFL, NBA, MLB and PGA/LIV. College ball is rapidly becoming the same. I've always been against NIL, and always will be. Oh, the poor, poor, disenfranchised student athlete who can't sell his/her autograph. Anyone with half a brain cell knew that if that door was opened an inch, it would be all over. 4yrs - just 4 short yrs they would have to wait on a boatload of cash.... Well, thank goodness for them, they don't have to endure that hardship! Part of me does hope that it allllllll just implodes and burns to the ground, and the pro sports are all that are left.

 

[18IsTheMan]

I'm with you (and I probably go a little farther than.... ). If we want to watch $$$-inflated egos running around throwing/hitting/catching a ball, we have the NFL, NBA, MLB and PGA/LIV. College ball is rapidly becoming the same. I've always been against NIL, and always will be. Oh, the poor, poor, disenfranchised student athlete who can't sell his/her autograph. Anyone with half a brain cell knew that if that door was opened an inch, it would be all over. 4yrs - just 4 short yrs they would have to wait on a boatload of cash.... Well, thank goodness for them, they don't have to endure that hardship! Part of me does hope that it allllllll just implodes and burns to the ground, and the pro sports are all that are left.

I'm with you on NIL, but when school started raking in hundreds of millions of dollars and coaches started making 8 figures, it became hard to justify.

 

[Atlanta Cock]

Well, it’s both. This is crazy. And…they may have a point legally. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, and what is left when this is all over.

I think before the age of 10 million per year coaching salaries and the facilities boom (because the schools had to spend all of that money somewhere other than the players), there wouldn’t be a lawsuit. But upper level college sports is a cash cow. And the players want a piece of it.

Seems like the statute of limitation may be a bar, but this is where we are. They've forever changed college sports. For all intent and purposes, I've checked out. If SC wins, great. But I'm not sweating it anymore, and I'm certainly not scheduling my life or spending money on it. As a small state and a school with far fewer resources than the UGa's, USCw's and aTm's of the world, we'll never keep up.

They're pros now, but don't have the talent or quality of play of the professional leagues. Pity.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Seems like the statute of limitation may be a bar, but this is where we are. They've forever changed college sports. For all intent and purposes, I've checked out. If SC wins, great. But I'm not sweating it anymore, and I'm certainly not scheduling my life or spending money on it. As a small state and a school with far fewer resources than the UGa's, USCw's and aTm's of the world, we'll never keep up.

They're pros now, but don't have the talent or quality of play of the professional leagues. Pity.

In pro sports lingo, we're a small market team?

 

[gamecock stock]

I'm with you (and I probably go a little farther than.... ). If we want to watch $$$-inflated egos running around throwing/hitting/catching a ball, we have the NFL, NBA, MLB and PGA/LIV. College ball is rapidly becoming the same. I've always been against NIL, and always will be. Oh, the poor, poor, disenfranchised student athlete who can't sell his/her autograph. Anyone with half a brain cell knew that if that door was opened an inch, it would be all over. 4yrs - just 4 short yrs they would have to wait on a boatload of cash.... Well, thank goodness for them, they don't have to endure that hardship! Part of me does hope that it allllllll just implodes and burns to the ground, and the pro sports are all that are left.

If these kids are good enough, they should go straight to the pros from high school and leave college sports alone so that it could stay amateur and enjoyable. But Nooooooooooooooooooo.... they have to screw up college sports. I have never given to NIL and never will. I could easily give. To hell with these kids. They can go sell"crazy" to someone else. I'm not buying.

Sports is just like politics to me. I have voted for decades. But the quality of my life has not significantly improved nor significantly worsened because my candidate won or lost. I would be hard pressed to say that the quality of my life even slightly improved or worsened because my candidates won or lost. Sports is the same way. Yes, I'm happy or down for a few days depending on whether we have beaten Clemson. But after a few days, the outcome does nothing for the quality of my life. If everybody was put under a truth serum, they would say what I have just said about politics and sports.

 

[18IsTheMan]

If these kids are good enough, they should go straight to the pros from high school and leave college sports alone so that it could stay amateur and enjoyable. But Nooooooooooooooooooo.... they have to screw up college sports. I have never given to NIL and never will. I could easily give. To hell with these kids. They can go sell"crazy" to someone else. I'm not buying.

Sports is just like politics to me. I have voted for decades. But the quality of my life has not significantly improved nor significantly worsened because my candidate won or lost. I would be hard pressed to say that the quality of my life even slightly improved or worsened because my candidates won or lost. Sports is the same way. Yes, I'm happy or down for a few days depending on whether we have beaten Clemson. But after a few days, the outcome does nothing for the quality of my life. If everybody was put under a truth serum, they would say what I have just said about politics and sports.

This has been my deal all along: participation in college sports is 100% voluntary. Nobody is forced to play college football. It may be necessary if you have plans to go pro, but that's a choice.

 

[Uscg1984]

It's come to a point that Ivy League sports is the last bastion of pure college sports.

If the schools decided to shut down their athletic programs, it would be fine with me. There are other more important things in life. They won't shut it down, though, because no one, people nor institutions, are immune to greed.

Universities all over the world do just fine without athletic programs or athletic scholarships.

 

[Uscg1984]

Imagine how much money Clowney would have made his senior season if he'd gotten a royalty every time ESPN showed his Outback Bowl hit.

edit: Junior season

 

[92Pony]

Imagine how much money Clowney would have made his senior season if he'd gotten a royalty every time ESPN showed his Outback Bowl hit.

edit: Junior season

I guess all he has to do is file a lawsuit - That's all it takes for this NIL business. Has there been any ruling against NIL?

 

[Lurker123]

Imagine how much money Clowney would have made his senior season if he'd gotten a royalty every time ESPN showed his Outback Bowl hit.

edit: Junior season

I'm nit sure how that is sustainable at all. ESPN would go out of business if they had to pay royalties to each player in their highlights.

I guess a good question is, how do they do it with the NFL? Do they pay the individuals, or pay the NFL for rights to show highlights of NFL games?

 

[Uscg1984]

I'm nit sure how that is sustainable at all. ESPN would go out of business if they had to pay royalties to each player in their highlights.

I guess a good question is, how do they do it with the NFL? Do they pay the individuals, or pay the NFL for rights to show highlights of NFL games?

My guess is that the pro leagues own the film outright, or at least jointly with the networks. Isn't that what the messaging at the end of the broadcast says about the rebroadcast or account of the game without the express written consent of the NFL? And I'd guess the collective bargaining agreement contracts probably give the pro leagues rights to use footage without paying royalties to players.

The issue for the NCAA is that they own the footage without any agreement by the players, at least without the ones prior to 2016, or whatever the date is.

But you are correct about it being unsustainable. Or perhaps ESPN would just flip the script and never show any old or historic highlights ever again? lol

 

[18IsTheMan]

This is an alarming statement: "The suit contends that the value of student-athletes to the NCAA does not end with their graduation."

1983 N.C. State team sues NCAA over NIL use: What's next?

The shot of the late Jim Valvano frantically running around The Pit looking for someone to embrace after the 1983 national championship game has become an iconi

www.si.com

 

[Conway GC]

College athletics have become farm systems for the professional teams, but at the universities and their supporters expense. I have always loved college sports, but I am slowly falling out of love with the current trend of D1 college athletics.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Just saw a clip of an interview with Jerry West and he was asked about being the NBA logo. Specifically, he was asked if he would like a royalty for it. He replied "Oh, no" and said he'd be embarrassed to take a royalty for it.