No denying it
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You can't read that and not think that we have a problem in our football program. We lose players and replace them with transfers from low tier FBS teams. smh
And 2 of them actually played.
Yes, can we get a list of starters for each team lost to transfer portal seems like that would have more meaning.
Also I'm ok, cleaning house a little bit after a 5 win season.
The problem I see is that we took some guys in Beamers first 2 classes that we probably shouldn’t have. I don’t see that issue occurring in the 23 class or 24 class. Thanks goodness we're able to replace Xavier Short with the best play maker from a pretty good Coastal team. AU was trying to get him in for a visit, as was Louisville.
Lloyd was a 5* out of HS. We replaced him with a D2 kid, and I think most would agree we didn't see much drop off, if any, in that move. But don't let facts get in the way, carry on.
It is true that most of ours were not starters, but that really just raises a red flag about recruiting and player development.
I think it's concerning that we basically had to gut our WR room after Year 3.
I think it's concerning that we basically had to gut our WR room after Year 3.
Key takeaway is better evaluation needed BEFORE they get on campus with a scholly.
Yeah, that would be a better barometer. Most people on this board probably wouldn't recognize half the people on our transfer list. The OP's comparison to A&M is apples to oranges. They are losing contributors that were 5* players from the last 2 classes.
A lot of misses in the first two classes. His first class was 72nd. Second class was 28th. Not hard to imagine we'd be looking to turn the majority of those guys over. Those two classes look nothing like the 23 or 24 classes.
Thank you. There was not much value that left. The number looks like it hurts, but in all honesty, I couldn't even put a face to the name on a majority of them.
But as noted above, it's concerning that we had so many valueless players on the team in Year 3.
Valueless players that will be replaced with lower division talent.
All these back ups leaving will be lamented as lack of depth as the season goes on next year.
HAHA. Nobody is going to lament losing Xavier Short and Landon Samson. No offense to those two guys, but we'd probably convert DBs to WRs before playing those two.
Honest question. Have you looking into Jared Brown at all? If we land Ataway from North TX will you just brush it off as a "lower division talent" before looking into him?
Beamers first class was fairly settled from the last staff. There were, in fact, many who should not have been here. JMO.
No one will lament them in name, but my comment included the 18 (ish) players that are leaving/will leave. It will be vague comments about lack of depth and Beamer needing a few more classes to fill depth.
We're number five in the nation and something at least!
If we want to over analyze it, that could also mean that our coaches didn't do a very good job of evaluating these guys out of high school to see if they were ready for SEC play.
Maybe, maybe not. We'll know in 9 months. But I feel better about having CC's top playmaker on the roster instead of Xavier Short. We're after a 6-5 WR from Indiana as well. He's listed as a 4*. Lets see how the portal season shakes out. I don't know if we're replace Juice's talent, but I feel confident we'll upgrade Blake, Short, Samson, and Horton. Also, Bennett coming in is more talented than all those guys as well.
I addressed that early. These are guys from the #72nd and 28th classes in the country. If we're going to compete, they need to be upgraded. The 23 class was 16th. The 24 class is 19th, with quite a few spots left to fill.
I feel confident that, much like almost every team in America, we will convince ourselves that the incoming guys are much better than the outgoing.
The guys we're bringing in actually have stats to look at. The guys going out don't. Not hard to reach that conclusion.
I've seen people discaed coaching stats at coastal, because it wasn't the SEC. I have no doubt that if someone wanted to, they could use the same logic about player stats at coastal, or any number of smaller schools.
But in the end, I don't think it's contentious or argumentative to admit we'll do what just about every other fan base does too.
it's just always a crap shoot with the lower division guys. fans remember the Antwane Wells' and forget the EJ Jenkins'.
I think one name without a face is our backup quarterback for next season. Who comes in if Sellers is unable to take the snap (and does not turn the outcome into a certain loss ala Dickie Demasi)?
Jenkins wasn’t bad; used improperly by a dud OC, but not bad. The Hayden Hursts are few and far between. Jason Brown wasn’t bad either. Damn sight better than any other option that year.
I think our coach (who was a tight ends coach, correct?) forgets we have tight ends. They have been a non-factor.
Dabo, with all due respect, the facts are the numbers., which you are ignoring. If you hide your head in the sand, you are risking getting your rear end sunburned.
I hope you end up being right. The numbers compared to other teams both in the SEC and nationally are disturbing. It's apparent that I'm not the only one who feels that way. Like I said, I want you to be right. Why? Because we are all Gamecocks.
By the way, I'm not a constant negative poster. I'm on record saying Beamer overachieved in his first 2 seasons here.
We do not know with any certainty of the value of the players that all the teams have lost. That's subjective, not objective. The only objective is the actual numbers. As I said above, I'm not a constant negative poster. I'm on record saying Beamer overachieved his first 2 seasons here. I try to praise when I can and criticize when I must. For example in the "Jerome Simmons Committed" thread, I stated that "I like the pickup" If all one does is criticize ALL the time or says "don't worry; be happy" all the time, that person has no credibility.
Where am I ignoring numbers? The numbers say his first 2 classes were 72nd and 28th. Next 2 are 16th and currently 19th with many spots left to fill. I think it’s reasonable to expect that with much more talented classes we’re not going to see the issue continue, right?
It’s just my opinion that losing a bunch of guys that weren’t good enough to get PT on a 5 win team isn’t a bad thing. They will be replaced. Time will tell if those replacements are better. But getting guys that have already been contributors elsewhere is a good indicator.
And where am I ignoring the facts, which you accused me of in your 8:46 am post, Dabo? There's no way for me to know the actual quality of the individual players that all the teams lost. The ONLY metric are the actual numbers that the OP provided.. Look, you are a good fan and poster. We have been identical in our support of Lamont Paris. I was taken a little aback and disappointed by what I felt was a needless shot by your comment "But don't let facts get in the way, carry on".
I do agree with your last sentence in the first paragraph above regarding the much more talented classes leading to fewer players leaving. Let's hope that is the case.
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Dang that's a lot of bottom feeders in that 2nd list. Wish I could say I'm surprised to be among them. There are a few exceptions... wish I could say we are among them too.
Funny how every school says the ones that left weren't any good and glad they are gone but soooo excited to get the ones that left and weren't any good.
And there’s actually four out of the 18 that we wanted to keep. We are not losing production, we are losing the potential for someone to blossom into production. Losing Mitch Jeter hurt as much as anything. Juice didn’t play this year so he’s been gone since last season. We’re going to be fine with the people We bring in.
It is the nature of the game