NO MORE F A T Z

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We have a Longhorns in Mt. Pleasant. My wife and I would eat there often because they have a great ribeye. We had been dining there for over 15 years. All of the sudden, the service went to hell in a handbasket. We no longer eat there. None of our frends do either.
People have no idea how hard it is to hire inside 526 these days. Two things are the major factors. 1) unlike when I was in high school here and almost every kid had a job of some type there are very few kids working now. 2) the inflation, gas prices and traffic make convincing people from outside 526 to commute.

We and so many other businesses owners and managers we talk to are in the same boat. 90% of the job now is do they show up and let you keep your doors open. Whether they do a good job or not is irrelevant. About 50% of our customers get it because they see it. The other half ***** and moan like it’s still the 1980s and people are lining up to work.

Therefore quality falls through the floor. And it’s everywhere. We were at Lowe’s last week and it took an eternity for someone to unlock the cabinet for what we needed. It was dead in there and after the call on the speaker asking for someone we could see everybody just standing around talking. Might as well get used to it for awhile I guess.
 
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Are you referring to the Mt. Pleasant Cracker Barrel? That one, smack dab in the middle of town. Couldn't make it. Their service sucked.
Yep. The GM was a customer of ours. Outside of the first couple of weeks when they had staff from other stores they never again hit a full roster of staff.
 

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We use to eat out a ton but found during Covid that the food cooked at home was not only better but a heck of a lot cheaper.
Same. We both could cook but really learned to be good over the last few years. Only thing at home we don’t do better is sushi, Italian/pizza and smoked brisket. Otherwise we make it ourselves now.
 
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We use to eat out a ton but found during Covid that the food cooked at home was not only better but a heck of a lot cheaper.
Eating out now, even at the so-called fast food places where there's no tipping, is outrageous. Two people can expect to spend $23 - $25 to eat at Arby's now if you get a couple of regular size combos. I don't necessarily mean two of the most expensive ones, either.
 

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My mom and dad went to school with the original owner who started FATZ...he was from Inman SC. He sold out years and years ago. He signed a non-compete agreement. Later on, he opened Copper River Grill in the upstate. Johnny Rogers was his name if I'm not mistaken. He is dead now...
Is Copper River still operating anywhere? I enjoyed that place when I was in an area where one was.
 

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It’s odd to me how companies are just willing to let a brand die or shut down a location instead of just making it better. One chain I used to like was Ruby Tuesday. They did, and still do, have a great salad bar, though the rest of the menu is blah. We had one in our town that started to slip. Not kept clean. Food quality was dipping. They just shut it down when all it would take is a little elbow grease and some quality oversight to make things right.
I think a lot has to do with the quality of help
 

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My mom and dad went to school with the original owner who started FATZ...he was from Inman SC. He sold out years and years ago. He signed a non-compete agreement. Later on, he opened Copper River Grill in the upstate. Johnny Rogers was his name if I'm not mistaken. He is dead now...

They closed all the ones here in the TriCities. Damn, I liked to go to the one in Elizabethton. I've eaten at a lot of the locations in TN, NC & SC. So many of those types of restaurants are closing. Friday's is still in Biltmore Village in Asheville.

If I'm a guessing person, food trucks are now the thing. Breweries are popping up all over the place with light menus so who is going to Bar-Grills anymore? Some independents are doing OK.

If coming to Johnson City, eat at Cootie Browns, Label, Freiberg's (German, owner was from former East Germany), The Firehouse, Cafe Lola's, Timber, kickback Jacks...these are not chains. Course we have the typical chain restaurants too...Chili's, Longhorns, Red Lobster, Texas Roadhouse, Aubrey's (TN chain out of Knoxville), etc.

Some of the small diners are now going by the wayside. Clarence's Diner in Erwin, right off I26 that offered biscuits and gravy all day just closed.

I'm really missing places like Picadilly, S&S Cafeteria, Morrison's.

One of my favorite places to get country cooking is Wade's in Spartanburg. When I'm in the upstate, I make it a point to go to Wade's. Sometimes, the Beacon but I think Wade's beats the Beacon hands down.
I used to love the S&S and still like Texas Roadhouse. Restaurants have been struggling, especially since they shut all the businesses down in 2021, it changed the whole landscape.
 
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We’re going to see A LOT more of this. Consolidation and the current labor environment is destroying everything we once knew as normal.

My wife and I own service business. In 2020 we had 9 locations. Tomorrow we closing our 4th location in 3 years. As a small business we have to personally guarantee our leases. The lease we were confronted with renewing was 32% more expensive than 2020 and we simply had no faith we could find reliable enough labor to take that risk. Which is hysterical because our pay scale has increased 28% in 3 years.

A tsunami of small business owners deciding that quitting is a more prudent option than taking risk is coming. Normally in history that would lead to even more consolidation, but with interest rates at 20 year highs…I’m expecting there to just be less available options.

A Cracker Barrel near us opened up and closed in less than two years citing labor issues. They walked away from $3 million in construction costs in 20 months. Strange times we are living in.
Agree, skyrocketing prices and interest rates, and "labor issues" have killed the restaurant market, and other markets as well. I think the labor issues are permanent, work ethic and reliability are gone.
 

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Used to really enjoy Copper River in Harbison, in Cola, but quit going several years ago, even before Covid, it just went downhill like many of the other restaurants being discussed here.
 
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The ole mill stream

AYCE Calabash Shrimp with a river view - memories!
I worked in Greer from 1985-1992. We visited that FATZ and the original one in the shopping center off of Wade Hampton Blvd. in Taylors. One of my buddies worked at both of them at times. The first time we went we ordered the ribeye steak sandwich with a salad and fries or BP for $4.99 and it was very good. Their Calabash chicken is a hit. There's a long story about the original owner.
 

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I enjoyed the ribeye sandwiches a great deal. They served them like a regular entree, with salad and a side. Then of course, there were the rolls. The calabash chicken was good also.

But they had slipped, and badly. When I went in the one in Rock Hill for lunch several weeks ago and there was almost no one there to eat, I knew that the end was approaching. That place used to be well patronized all the time.
The Clock in Greer has a great ribeye sandwich, I try to stop there every time I'm in Greenville.
 

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As long as there are old people going to church on Sundays, Wades will be there! :ROFLMAO:
OMG...during the week, I think every business person in Spartanburg comes there...you can't get in at lunch hardly at all...wait and go around 2pm if you can hold out...I love this place. Mom will sometimes get thanksgiving meal from there cause we all like their dressing, creamed corn, bread, and peanut butter pie...
 
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OMG...during the week, I think every business person in Spartanburg comes there...you can't get in at lunch hardly at all...wait and go around 2pm if you can hold out...I love this place. Mom will sometimes get thanksgiving meal from there cause we all like their dressing, creamed corn, bread, and peanut butter pie...
Ooooh, that PB pie hits.
 

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I used to love the S&S and still like Texas Roadhouse. Restaurants have been struggling, especially since they shut all the businesses down in 2021, it changed the whole landscape.
Terrible folly.
 

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Used to really enjoy Copper River in Harbison, in Cola, but quit going several years ago, even before Covid, it just went downhill like many of the other restaurants being discussed here.
I had that one in mind, and the one in Asheville. I had enjoyed meals at both. It's a shame.
 
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Agree, skyrocketing prices and interest rates, and "labor issues" have killed the restaurant market, and other markets as well. I think the labor issues are permanent, work ethic and reliability are gone.
Ordinarily, I would say that economic things are cyclical, but for that to be the case, a free system has to operate according to market-driven considerations. But when public policy, driven more by ideology than pragmatism, brings about unfavorable trends, recovery is not nearly as certain.
 

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The Clock in Greer has a great ribeye sandwich, I try to stop there every time I'm in Greenville.
I get over to Gaffney occasionally. Maybe I'll try that sandwich at the Clock over there - if they have it.
 

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Pete's in Greer has a chili cheeseburger that won't quit. Your heart might, but the burger won't.
 
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People have no idea how hard it is to hire inside 526 these days. Two things are the major factors. 1) unlike when I was in high school here and almost every kid had a job of some type there are very few kids working now. 2) the inflation, gas prices and traffic make convincing people from outside 526 to commute.

We and so many other businesses owners and managers we talk to are in the same boat. 90% of the job now is do they show up and let you keep your doors open. Whether they do a good job or not is irrelevant. About 50% of our customers get it because they see it. The other half ***** and moan like it’s still the 1980s and people are lining up to work.

Therefore quality falls through the floor. And it’s everywhere. We were at Lowe’s last week and it took an eternity for someone to unlock the cabinet for what we needed. It was dead in there and after the call on the speaker asking for someone we could see everybody just standing around talking. Might as well get used to it for awhile I guess.
If thievery continues unabated, any onsite shopping will require unlocking display cases, immediate scanning of each item selected, and proof of having paid at the door.
 

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My mom and dad went to school with the original owner who started FATZ...he was from Inman SC. He sold out years and years ago. He signed a non-compete agreement. Later on, he opened Copper River Grill in the upstate. Johnny Rogers was his name if I'm not mistaken. He is dead now...

They closed all the ones here in the TriCities. Damn, I liked to go to the one in Elizabethton. I've eaten at a lot of the locations in TN, NC & SC. So many of those types of restaurants are closing. Friday's is still in Biltmore Village in Asheville.

If I'm a guessing person, food trucks are now the thing. Breweries are popping up all over the place with light menus so who is going to Bar-Grills anymore? Some independents are doing OK.

If coming to Johnson City, eat at Cootie Browns, Label, Freiberg's (German, owner was from former East Germany), The Firehouse, Cafe Lola's, Timber, kickback Jacks...these are not chains. Course we have the typical chain restaurants too...Chili's, Longhorns, Red Lobster, Texas Roadhouse, Aubrey's (TN chain out of Knoxville), etc.

Some of the small diners are now going by the wayside. Clarence's Diner in Erwin, right off I26 that offered biscuits and gravy all day just closed.

I'm really missing places like Picadilly, S&S Cafeteria, Morrison's.

One of my favorite places to get country cooking is Wade's in Spartanburg. When I'm in the upstate, I make it a point to go to Wade's. Sometimes, the Beacon but I think Wade's beats the Beacon hands down.
I miss the cafeterias, especially at the beach.
 
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If thievery continues unabated, any onsite shopping will require unlocking display cases, immediate scanning of each item selected, and proof of having paid at the door.
This is actually already happening in a few places. Saw an article about a month ago. If I could remember where I saw it I’d link it.
 

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There's no guilt associated with it anymore. Some people go out in carloads to steal.
As a society we get what we tolerate. Slippery slopes we tolerated have morphed into avalanches. I easily blame myself. The whole “live and let live” was my mantra. In fear of not being liked we don’t speak our minds. And here we are.
 
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As a society we get what we tolerate. Slippery slopes we tolerated have morphed into avalanches. I easily blame myself. The whole “live and let live” was my mantra. In fear of not being liked we don’t speak our minds. And here we are.
I respect your candor. The older I get, the crustier I get. I'm not embarrassed. I've seen freedom repurposed as license. It's not "progressive".
 

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I respect your candor. The older I get, the crustier I get. I'm not embarrassed. I've seen freedom repurposed as license. It's not "progressive".
I relate entirely to this. Finally realized no need to be embarrassed for speaking out. Some people tell me it's the military service until retirement makes me crustier. So be it 😊
 

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This is actually already happening in a few places. Saw an article about a month ago. If I could remember where I saw it I’d link it.
NY Post had an article on this subject a month ago.
Liberals passed a law in California stating that any theft under $1000 was a misdemeanor and the perpetrators would be immediately released. The result was some people keeping track and only stealing under $1000 so they wouldn't be prosecuted.
Estimated losses were 94.5 Billion in theft in 2022.
 
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