Now the FBI says the New Orleans terrorist acted alone...

[Dawgzilla2]

I'm putting on my tinfoil hat. We've gone from "not a terrorist event", to an act of terrorism involving a "range of additional suspects", to a terrorist acting alone.

And no current link to the Vegas attack, other than ex military guys using the Turo app to lease EVs for their nefarious plans.

We need Senator Foghorn Kennedy to clear this up.

On the plus side, they have lowered the death toll to 14, since they are excluding the terrorist from the death count. They need to change the Vegas attack to a suicide bombing with no additional casualties.

ETA: FBI also says the terrorist rented the car in Houston and drove straight to NO. No trip to Mexico.

 

[aTotal360]

He certainly could have. Doesn't mean he's not a terrorist. I'll go out on a limb and say he's not being waited on by 72 virgins.

 

[L4Dawg]

I'm putting on my tinfoil hat. We've gone from "not a terrorist event", to an act of terrorism involving a "range of additional suspects", to a terrorist acting alone.

And mo current link to the Vegas attack, other than ex military guys using the Turo app to lease EVs for their nefarious plans.

We need Senator Foghorn Kennedy to clear this up.

On the plus side, they have lowered the death toll to 14, since they are excluding the terrorist from the death count. They need to change the Vegas attack to a suicide bombing with no additional casualties.

It sounds like they had video of people around one of the IEDs and have since cleared those people. They very likely have video of the perp placing them now. It takes time to sift through all that stuff. I have no real info, but that seems to be a more logical explanation. Now is there a link between the two guys? I'm sure that's still being looked at. They could be linked but still have done their crimes by themselves.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

And they are re-opening Bourbon St. at 2:30 CST.

 

[57stratdawg]

It’s probably best to take your tinfoil hat off.

 

[OG Goat Holder]

This is why civil discourse is so hard in this country now.

The guy was a US citizen. He went military, didn't have the best luck in life (for whatever reasons, probably his own attitude), went through 2 divorces. Now he's mad at the world, and found solace in ISIS ideology. Probably reeled him in due to the obvious reasons. And now, he has a reason and motivation and encouragement to inflict his pain on others.

It's not too dissimilar from Roof, the dude who killed the people at the church.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

He certainly could have. Doesn't mean he's not a terrorist. I'll go out on a limb and say he's not being waited on by 72 virgins.

They're still calling it an act of terrorism.

The guy absolutely could have acted alone. But if you listened to yesterday's press conference, every speaker sounded as though they believed there were co-conspirators.

I understand it's an active investigation and information changes as the investigation proceeds. It's just a very different message today.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Another connection between the two attacks: the ex-military guys did not do their homework on explosives, thankfully. The IEDs in NO did not go off. The guy in Vegas apparently used gasoline and fireworks. Both attacks could have been much worse.

 

[Anon1717806835]

It seems plausible that statements get made before all facts are known simply because nobody wants to speak at a press conference and be seen as either (1) not knowing anything or (2) withholding information. The best explanation is the guy was just a loser with a grudge who decided to take it all out on innocent people. He made a truck his weapon of choice rather than a gun. I think to determine if this meets a generally accepted definition of terrorism someone will need to determine how much ISIS influenced his decision to do it. That seems like it could be subjective. If they stopped calling it a terrorist attack, people would cry "conspiracy".

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

He certainly could have. Doesn't mean he's not a terrorist. I'll go out on a limb and say he's not being waited on by 72 virgins.

Maybe a 72 year old virgin?

 

[ckDOG]

Even he acted alone, safe to say this will continue to be considered an act of terrorism. Guy had an isis flag in his rental truck. He's a terrorist albeit a lonely one.

 

[Shmuley]

I'm putting on my tinfoil hat. We've gone from "not a terrorist event", to an act of terrorism involving a "range of additional suspects", to a terrorist acting alone.

And no current link to the Vegas attack, other than ex military guys using the Turo app to lease EVs for their nefarious plans.

We need Senator Foghorn Kennedy to clear this up.

On the plus side, they have lowered the death toll to 14, since they are excluding the terrorist from the death count. They need to change the Vegas attack to a suicide bombing with no additional casualties.

ETA: FBI also says the terrorist rented the car in Houston and drove straight to NO. No trip to Mexico.

While I want to be as respectful as possible and acknowledge the unmitigated chaos that unfolded, it is shocking to me how freakishly incompetent the VAST MAJORITY of leadership (mayor, governor, NOLA police, feds) has been made to look as facts become clearer. Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick.

 

[patdog]

If he acted alone, it's one heck of a coincidence that a very similar attack occurred in Las Vegas on the same day.

 

[johnson86-1]

Another connection between the two attacks: the ex-military guys did not do their homework on explosives, thankfully. The IEDs in NO did not go off. The guy in Vegas apparently used gasoline and fireworks. Both attacks could have been much worse.

The TESLA attack was just was almost comically bad. If it really was gasoline and fireworks like reported, that seems more like a suicide with a message more than an attempted bombing. Surely no adult thought that was going to damage the building.

 

[The Peeper]

Maybe a 72 year old virgin?

clintoninhelen, what do ye say? Never mind, I know what ye say

 

[GloryDawg]

Using a Musk made car outside Trump towers was coincidence. *** Musk said the guy used the wrong vehicle. That truck was reinforced sides and bottom. It was design to push any blast upward.

 

[FormerBully]

It seems plausible that statements get made before all facts are known simply because nobody wants to be speak at a press conference and be seen as either (1) not knowing anything or (2) withholding information. The best explanation is the guy was just a loser with a grudge who decided to take it all out on innocent people. He made a truck his weapon of choice rather than a gun. I think to determine if this meets a generally accepted definition of terrorism someone will need to determine how much ISIS influenced his decision to do it. That seems like it could be subjective. If they stopped calling it a terrorist attack, people would cry "conspiracy".

We live in a society now that wants information instantly. This often leads to people misspeaking. I think we would be better off if we let things playout than did a formal report. Once the toothpaste is out you cannot get it back in.

 

[MrKotter]

It’s probably best to take your tinfoil hat off.

He will when you do

 

[ckDOG]

We live in a society now that wants information instantly. This often leads to people misspeaking. I think we would be better off if we let things playout than did a formal report. Once the toothpaste is out you cannot get it back in.

Cable news and **** websites run with info so quickly and are intentionally careless in their headlines. They are taking advantage of the negatives of human nature and it makes sifting through nonsense to find reality very difficult.

 

[L4Dawg]

While I want to be as respectful as possible and acknowledge the unmitigated chaos that unfolded, it is shocking to me how freakishly incompetent the VAST MAJORITY of leadership (mayor, governor, NOLA police, feds) has been made to look as facts become clearer. Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick.

The only real incompetence I've seen so far is them not having Bourbon Street blocked off better. Pull a couple of garbage trucks across the entrance if the barriers are out of order. As for the investigation and the information being put out, things change, especially in the first 48 hours or so.

 

[Dawghouse]

@Lucifer Morningstar DM me for details on my location for posting this one.

 

[57stratdawg]

This is why civil discourse is so hard in this country now.

The guy was a US citizen. He went military, didn't have the best luck in life (for whatever reasons, probably his own attitude), went through 2 divorces. Now he's mad at the world, and found solace in ISIS ideology. Probably reeled him in due to the obvious reasons. And now, he has a reason and motivation and encouragement to inflict his pain on others.

It's not too dissimilar from Roof, the dude who killed the people at the church.

This is a great post, but this comes from the Right more than the Left.

We had an American citizen commit an act of terror and the messaging delivered to millions and millions of Conservatives yesterday somehow included ‘Eagle Pass’ and the Southern Border. And Trump was driving that message as much as anyone.

The Left doesn’t have this same “Flood the zone with bull$h1t” mentality that exists in MAGA-Land.

 

[patdog]

The Left doesn’t have this same “Flood the zone with ********” mentality that exists in MAGA-Land.

You’re not serious are you? Cause both sides are equally as bad when it suits them.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Well, there is the other connection that both terrorists served on the same base at one time. It’s all too coincidental to not be connected in some way.

 

[Drebin]

The TESLA attack was just was almost comically bad. If it really was gasoline and fireworks like reported, that seems more like a suicide with a message more than an attempted bombing. Surely no adult thought that was going to damage the building.

If it had been anything other than a cybertruck, it probably would have been pretty devastating.

 

[WilCoDawg]

This is a great post, but this comes from the Right more than the Left.

We had an American citizen commit an act of terror and the messaging delivered to millions and millions of Conservatives yesterday somehow included ‘Eagle Pass’ and the Southern Border. And Trump was driving that message as much as anyone.

The Left doesn’t have this same “Flood the zone with ********” mentality that exists in MAGA-Land.

Cough**covid**cough cough***russian collusion**cough

You're right.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

This is a great post, but this comes from the Right more than the Left.

We had an American citizen commit an act of terror and the messaging delivered to millions and millions of Conservatives yesterday somehow included ‘Eagle Pass’ and the Southern Border. And Trump was driving that message as much as anyone.

The Left doesn’t have this same “Flood the zone with ********” mentality that exists in MAGA-Land.

This is the posting of a person who chooses not to believe that a magnet has opposite poles.

Thinking the left doesn’t have arguably an even more powerful propagandist machine is insolently naive.

Both sides engage in the exact same horseshittery.

 

[57stratdawg]

You’re not serious are you? Cause both sides are equally as bad when it suits them.

No, they don’t.

Can you imagine Biden waking up yesterday and spending all day blaming Fossil Fuels for the NOLA Attack?

 

[mstateglfr]

After reading thru the 4 pages of crap posted yesterday about the New Orleans attack, I am confident that a high number of posters wont ever actually learn the truth once it is clarified. And there will also be a high number of posters who do read the truth(whatever it ends up being), ignore it since it doesnt reaffirm their agenda/biases/narrative, and not learn to wait for solid info the next time something bad happens.


Hot takes before more is known, and assumptions, seem to get cemented as truth for a lot of SPS folk.

 

[patdog]

No, they don’t.

Can you imagine Biden waking up yesterday and spending all day blaming Fossil Fuels for the NOLA Attack?

I did hear them initially claim it was t a terrorist attack & now saying he acted alone when the Las Vegas attack is clearly linked. And without turning this too political, there are countless examples of insanely blatantly outright lies that both sides spew from time to time.

 

[57stratdawg]

Cough**covid**cough cough***russian collusion**cough

You're right.

These are no where close to as bad as what we see from the Right.

We could have a truly complex discussion about the efficacy COVID vaccines or Trump violating norms vs laws when asking Russia for help. Those are truly nuanced convo with a lot of conflicting data to navigate.

That’s why different than the Right calling the latest school shooter Trans for 48 hours or the Southern Border being injected into an ISIS terror attack.

 

[WilCoDawg]

These are no where close to as bad as what we see from the Right.

We could have a truly complex discussion about the efficacy COVID vaccines or Trump violating norms vs laws when asking Russia for help. Those are truly nuanced convo with a lot of conflicting data to navigate.

That’s why different than the Right calling the latest school shooter Trans for 48 hours or the Southern Border being injected into an ISIS terror attack.

 

[Dawgzilla2]

Cable news and **** websites run with info so quickly and are intentionally careless in their headlines. They are taking advantage of the negatives of human nature and it makes sifting through nonsense to find reality very difficult.

This is why I haven't said a word until we got multiple statements from law enforcement. I try not to let my info be filtered through journalists.

I understand there is a struggle between transparency to the public, and allowing an investigation to run its course. As leads are followed, the information changes.

There was just a very different tone between yesterday's press conference and today's. Could just be a communication issue, I guess, but it's concerning.

And screw everyone who is trying to make the narrative fit a political agenda.

 

[57stratdawg]

I did hear them initially claim it was t a terrorist attack & now saying he acted alone when the Las Vegas attack is clearly linked. And without turning this too political, there are countless examples of insanely blatantly outright lies that both sides spew from time to time.

The NOLA attack happened at 3:15AM. By 3:15 PM - everyone in America knew this was an act of terror. Would you agree?

That is a way, way different level of criticism towards the various public officials (local, state, and Federal, BTW). than MAGA-ville just injecting “CLOSE THE BORDER NOW!” into the national discussion.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

I did hear them initially claim it was t a terrorist attack & now saying he acted alone when the Las Vegas attack is clearly linked. And without turning this too political, there are countless examples of insanely blatantly outright lies that both sides spew from time to time.

Clearly?

They were thousands of miles apart, different times of day, different methods, one by a black Muslim from Texas and the other by some random white guy from Colorado, one was an act of terrorism by an ISIS sympathizer and the other may be a suicide or accident for all we know.

Could they be linked? Sure. I would be surprised though, and I definitely don't see any reason to insist they were.

 

[Chile]

Next thing the FBI will report is that the ISIS flag was just something left in the rental from a previous user, and not this driver's flag. ***
They will keep chipping it down to a "mostly peaceful " truck accident.

 

[Leeshouldveflanked]

This is a great post, but this comes from the Right more than the Left.

We had an American citizen commit an act of terror and the messaging delivered to millions and millions of Conservatives yesterday somehow included ‘Eagle Pass’ and the Southern Border. And Trump was driving that message as much as anyone.

The Left doesn’t have this same “Flood the zone with bull$h1t” mentality that exists in MAGA-Land.

 

[patdog]

Clearly?

They were thousands of miles apart, different times of day, different methods, one by a black Muslim from Texas and the other by some random white guy from Colorado, one was an act of terrorism by an ISIS sympathizer and the other may be a suicide or accident for all we know.

Could they be linked? Sure. I would be surprised though, and I definitely don't see any reason to insist they were.

Both men served in the same unit. Both attempted attacks using vehicles and bombs. Both vehicles rented from the same rental company. Both attacks happened on the same day. Yeah, clearly not related at all. **

 

[Podgy]

I listened to WWL TV in Nola, hardly MAGA and neither am I, and heard that the truck crossed the border a couple of days ago. That's since been corrected. It's not irrational, although it's inaccurate in this instance, to think a porous border likely allows in more terrorists than one that limits migration into the U.S. to a greater degree. And there's this recent article on the border. Did they catch all of them? And yes some can come to America by flying here. We just went through a weird election where all sorts of normal Americans were accused of being racists, Nazis, fascists, white nationalists and Christian nationalists. This apparently is a lone-wolf terrorist but, as with Dylan Roof, you'll see lots of people try to draw large conclusions that support their personal narratives and grievances.

Anyway, I've read more irrational posts on here about sports.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

Both men served in the same unit. Both attempted attacks using vehicles and bombs. Both vehicles rented from the same rental company. Both attacks happened on the same day. Yeah, clearly not related at all. **

I never said they were "clearly not related." They could be. I just pushed back on your assertion that they clearly are. I see a few similarities that could be coincidental and some very big differences.