Now the FBI says the New Orleans terrorist acted alone...

[mstateglfr]

We just went through a weird election where all sorts of normal Americans were accused of being racists, Nazis, fascists, white nationalists and Christian nationalists. This apparently is a lone-wolf terrorist but, as with Dylan Roof, you'll see lots of people try to draw large conclusions that support their personal narratives and grievances.

Anyway, I've read more irrational posts on here about sports.

The term 'Nazi' seems to be thrown around as casually and as incorrectly as the terms 'Commie' and 'Socialist'. Its unfortunate to see, really. It cheapens things and it often shifts attention away from what is important and over to whether or not the insult was correct.

As for people being called racist who arent racist...yeah that definitely happened and happens. A more precise analysis would be to say many of those people support policies and ideologies that harm others based on skin color. Whether that support is based on skin color or not requires further insight.

The term 'fascist' is also thrown around way more than it should be. And ironically, its hurled by both sides! That one is just hilarious since it is universally accepted as a far-right ideology/movement. Anyways, yeah its a term that is overused and is definitely used a lot in emotional responses rather than level responses.
It requires, among other things, a leader who wants to consolidate power(legislatively and thru force), accepts violence for political benefit is good, stops opposition thru suppression(military and legislative), and creates 'us vs them' narratives as a way to further gain power.
I mean...there are certainly some similarities to a recent leader.

People were accused of being white nationalists, yep. And I bet more were accused than actually are. That is terrible. What is even more terrible though is that people who align with white nationalist ideals were not only accepted but embraced by politicians and voters. Thats just bonkers.

And yes, people were accused of being Christian nationalists. That is such a subjective category/term that it sure seemed to fit the people I know of who were called that.





I agree that sports topics get a ton of irrational posts. Nailed that one for sure.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Even he acted alone, safe to say this will continue to be considered an act of terrorism. Guy had an isis flag in his rental truck. He's a terrorist albeit a lonely one.

Isn’t ISIS typically boisterous about their attacks? I’ve not read anything about the groups reaction or lack thereof.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

While I want to be as respectful as possible and acknowledge the unmitigated chaos that unfolded, it is shocking to me how freakishly incompetent the VAST MAJORITY of leadership (mayor, governor, NOLA police, feds) has been made to look as facts become clearer. Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick.

Right. And the conspiracy theory people demanding instant information before it’s even possible to have investigated the event, THEN declaring that the government keeps changing things up (no ****, it’s almost like we’re learning more as we investigate)…I’ll be glad if we ever rid ourselves of the generally crazy disposition that has become our public discourse.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Isn’t ISIS typically boisterous about their attacks? I’ve not read anything about the groups reaction or lack thereof.

Supposedly these groups are lying low so as not to get more attention. Better to keep up their one-off attacks than to risk being under the gun even more.

 

[horshack.sixpack]

Supposedly these groups are lying low so as not to get more attention. Better to keep up their one-off attacks than to risk being under the gun even more.

Admittedly not my area of expertise. I can never keep up with which ones are proud of their cowardly actions and which ones don’t have the nuts to at least take responsibility. Two different versions of weak cowardice.

 

[WilCoDawg]

The NOLA attack happened at 3:15AM. By 3:15 PM - everyone in America knew this was an act of terror. Would you agree?

That is a way, way different level of criticism towards the various public officials (local, state, and Federal, BTW). than MAGA-ville just injecting “CLOSE THE BORDER NOW!” into the national discussion.

So are you attempting to claim that our open borders are NOT an easy entry for terrorists? That is why everyone (with common sense) is injecting “Close the border now!” into the discussion. But it’s way too late now as there’s supposedly a good size army of willing jihadists in our country now.

But keep claiming that the open border isn’t a source for terrorists entry and just point and laugh all you want. Borders are just for racists***

 

[dorndawg]

So are you attempting to claim that our open borders are NOT an easy entry for terrorists? That is why everyone (with common sense) is injecting “Close the border now!” into the discussion. But it’s way too late now as there’s supposedly a good size army of willing jihadists in our country now.

But keep claiming that the open border isn’t a source for terrorists entry and just point and laugh all you want. Borders are just for racists***

Are you proposing we close the border with Texas?

 

[horshack.sixpack]

I'm putting on my tinfoil hat. We've gone from "not a terrorist event", to an act of terrorism involving a "range of additional suspects", to a terrorist acting alone.

And no current link to the Vegas attack, other than ex military guys using the Turo app to lease EVs for their nefarious plans.

We need Senator Foghorn Kennedy to clear this up.

On the plus side, they have lowered the death toll to 14, since they are excluding the terrorist from the death count. They need to change the Vegas attack to a suicide bombing with no additional casualties.

ETA: FBI also says the terrorist rented the car in Houston and drove straight to NO. No trip to Mexico.

You are grasping here. There’s a big difference between what I’ve seen quoted from the FBI “…no connection had been found…” and your implication that the FBI has declared there is no connection. I have no idea if there is or isn’t and neither do you. I don’t much care. Innocent people died because some idiot chose to do evil. I’m just thankful that neither one of them caused any more harm than they did.

 

[ckDOG]

Isn’t ISIS typically boisterous about their attacks? I’ve not read anything about the groups reaction or lack thereof.

They have been historically.

 

[ckDOG]

So are you attempting to claim that our open borders are NOT an easy entry for terrorists? That is why everyone (with common sense) is injecting “Close the border now!” into the discussion. But it’s way too late now as there’s supposedly a good size army of willing jihadists in our country now.

But keep claiming that the open border isn’t a source for terrorists entry and just point and laugh all you want. Borders are just for racists***

Needing the make the border better secured and the future president wrongly and needlessly yapping for a quick political win can both be true simultaneously.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

Even he acted alone, safe to say this will continue to be considered an act of terrorism. Guy had an isis flag in his rental truck. He's a terrorist albeit a lonely one.

Radicalized by internet snd other things. Some folks spend too much time online getting indoctrinated and keep following crap and being told what they want to hear.

 

[QuaoarsKing]

So are you attempting to claim that our open borders are NOT an easy entry for terrorists? That is why everyone (with common sense) is injecting “Close the border now!” into the discussion. But it’s way too late now as there’s supposedly a good size army of willing jihadists in our country now.

Sounds pretty unlikely, although I guess you left yourself some wiggle room with a vague description like "good size"

 

[johnson86-1]

As for people being called racist who arent racist...yeah that definitely happened and happens. A more precise analysis would be to say many of those people support policies and ideologies that harm others based on skin color. Whether that support is based on skin color or not requires further insight.

This is illogical. The only way that policies and ideologies harm others based on skin color is if the policies and ideologies are based on skin color. You don't have to have any further insight. I think what you meant to say is there are policies that disproportionately affect some races and lazy people like to impute ill motives to them with no basis if it saves them from having to actually justify their preferred policies using facts or reason. For example, I like to point out that proposed wealth taxes are just a thing because of anti-white racism.**

The term 'fascist' is also thrown around way more than it should be. And ironically, its hurled by both sides! That one is just hilarious since it is universally accepted as a far-right ideology/movement.

It is not a far-right ideology/movement. Fascists were on the right when the original right/left framing came into being because they were competing with communists in the same lane. They both basically believed in the all powerful state. The only difference was basically that fascists wanted to commandeer private entities while putatively allowing them to stay private and communists wanted to take over them outright. Nazi era fascism doesn't really exist in today's politics. As funny as it is to see jackbooted thugs going around beating citizens and destroying property (with a wink and a nod from the government) call themselves anti-fascist, they aren't really promoting nationalist interests and aren't really fascist even though they are similar (just like the original communists and fascists). They are just dumb thugs that don't even really understand why they are politically useful.
But if you wanted to find a party that viewed private entities like corporations as simply tools to be commandeered to further their political interests (censorship and health insurance?), and thought that there was no private right/interest that trumps the needs of the state (say wanting to undermine when not trying to completely negate the 1st amendment, 2nd amendment, or RFRA; say not believing that confiscatory taxes are wrong as long as they think the government can spend the money "better"; believing that parental rights are subject to forfeit for thought crimes like believing their son's penis or daughter's breasts shouldn't be cut off) I think you're going to have a lot more success looking on the left than right these days.

Anyways, yeah its a term that is overused and is definitely used a lot in emotional responses rather than level responses.
It requires, among other things, a leader who wants to consolidate power(legislatively and thru force), accepts violence for political benefit is good, stops opposition thru suppression(military and legislative), and creates 'us vs them' narratives as a way to further gain power.
I mean...there are certainly some similarities to a recent leader.

For sure, but we are lucky it was Biden at the top and not somebody that was more charismatic and strategic but equally lacking in morals.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

The only real incompetence I've seen so far is them not having Bourbon Street blocked off better. Pull a couple of garbage trucks across the entrance if the barriers are out of order. As for the investigation and the information being put out, things change, especially in the first 48 hours or so.

Hind-site is always 2020. Maybe bollards across side walks but do you close every street in quarter and out bollards across every intersection. People live in the quarter too. Have to get stuff in snd out for delivery. Guy drove around cop car and on to side walks. Maybe something on sidewalk. But if you didn't do it on Iberville too could have easily gone that way. Could have done it on canal too. I'm just glad those IEDs never went off and that crane was there. Could have been a lot worse.
im glad he also went at 315 and not midnight or 1130 when it was a lot busier.

 

[Trojanbulldog19]

This is why I haven't said a word until we got multiple statements from law enforcement. I try not to let my info be filtered through journalists.

I understand there is a struggle between transparency to the public, and allowing an investigation to run its course. As leads are followed, the information changes.

There was just a very different tone between yesterday's press conference and today's. Could just be a communication issue, I guess, but it's concerning.

And screw everyone who is trying to make the narrative fit a political agenda.

Yes info changes and as investigations continue.
Also screw people posting crap just to get clicks on social media. It's sick and infuriating

 

[hdogg]

I had a very early theory on the "he acted alone" idea and it's pretty simple really :
If he did NOT act alone, then he just messed up a whole plot by acting too early. Like - if there was a big plot to detonate bombs at the superdome at time X, and he pulled this act of terror several hours before that, then he messed up the bigger plot. After he does this, obviously the security would be massively increased compared to before. So it just doesn't make sense that he was in for some multi-person plan, unless he didn't get the memo w/ the correct terrorist timeline.