Nutt's recruiting stragey = Croom's recruiting stragey

[BubbaWilsonFan]

I was perusing the ole miss scout board because I enjoy watching people implode at the same exact time as they pump sunshine, and I read a yancy interview with some LB Enrique Williams. Mr. Williams said and I quote "They told me that if I commit, they do not want me taking any other visits."...... wasn't this what croom was being slammed for the past couple of days?... Now their message board is praising that recruiting tactic..... man, i love having an premium ole miss scout password.

IN FICTIONLAND: And I said "what is Nutt afraid of" (as i gestured with a swath of my arm towards the "Juice Box" aka the Palmeiro Center)

 

[BubbaWilsonFan]

I was perusing the ole miss scout board because I enjoy watching people implode at the same exact time as they pump sunshine, and I read a yancy interview with some LB Enrique Williams. Mr. Williams said and I quote "They told me that if I commit, they do not want me taking any other visits."...... wasn't this what croom was being slammed for the past couple of days?... Now their message board is praising that recruiting tactic..... man, i love having an premium ole miss scout password.

IN FICTIONLAND: And I said "what is Nutt afraid of" (as i gestured with a swath of my arm towards the "Juice Box" aka the Palmeiro Center)

 

[BubbaWilsonFan]

I was perusing the ole miss scout board because I enjoy watching people implode at the same exact time as they pump sunshine, and I read a yancy interview with some LB Enrique Williams. Mr. Williams said and I quote "They told me that if I commit, they do not want me taking any other visits."...... wasn't this what croom was being slammed for the past couple of days?... Now their message board is praising that recruiting tactic..... man, i love having an premium ole miss scout password.

IN FICTIONLAND: And I said "what is Nutt afraid of" (as i gestured with a swath of my arm towards the "Juice Box" aka the Palmeiro Center)

 

[HighPointDawg]

I'm sure diamondRebb will come over here and tell us that yancy made this up because Ole Miss "encourages kids to enjoy the moment" and then Ole Miss Grad will come give us a history of the credibility of each poster that is praising this tactic..

Pretty much destroys all the BS that good ole DiamondReb spent all day spewing on the board yesterday..

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

I need DiamondReb's thoughts on this. He was blasting Croom for allegedly doing this. Now his coaching staff is doing the same. I hate that Mr. Williams will not be able to enjoy the process of being recruited and the life long experiences if he commits to UM.</p>

 

[HighPointDawg]

because if he did then wouldn't they feel safe letting him visit freaking Southern Cal if he wanted?

 

[Goat Holder]

this **** some of these Ole Miss guys are saying is getting ridiculous. I was in a wedding this weekend with an Ole Miss guy, a good friend I might add, that guaranteed me Croom was cheating. This guy has intelligence, but the penis envy right now is shocking. They are trying to convince themselves of these delusions. These are grown men too.

 

[RebelRichman.nafoom]

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[HighPointDawg]

I imagine now that he can't bash Croom and praise the great Ole Miss for telling kids to enjoy the moment that he won't have as much to say this time around.

 

[cowbell9]

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[BriantheDawg]

nt

 

[gtowndawg]

when Ole Miss starts up the "State is cheating" express, it will completely backfire in their face. Worked great with Jackie, but their screwed if they go down that road with Croom. Nobody will listen.

that guaranteed me Croom was cheating

 

[RebelBruiser]

This is just my opinion regardless of what our coach or your coach does.

1. I think first off that coaches have no obligation to encourage players to look around.
2. I also think that it's a good idea as a coach to let a player know that if he commits, you will continue to recruit his spot as long as he's still looking around.
3. I don't agree with telling a player that if you commit, but you take other visits, your offer will be pulled.

That said, I don't think either of our coaches are threatening to pull offers if a player takes a visit. I think both are likely telling recruits something along the lines of my second statement. However, if you tell a recruit that second statement, it is easy to see how it could easily be misconstrued into something like my third statement, especially once the information gets to a second hand source.

I could easily see recruits saying something like Diamond was saying after misunderstanding what they were being told by another person. However, I don't think that what Diamond was saying is the truth about how Croom handles recruiting and why, even if recruits really did say something like that at our camp.

 

[bonedaddy401]

gtowndawg[/b]]when Ole Miss starts up the "State is cheating" express, it will completely backfire in their face. Worked great with Jackie, but their screwed if they go down that road with Croom. Nobody will listen.

that guaranteed me Croom was cheating

Out of all 12 of the Coaches in the SEC Croom is the least likely to cheat. Period.</p>

 

[saddawg]

3. I don't agree with telling a player that if you commit, but you take other visits, your offer will be pulled.

Why not? You're not committed if you do.

I'd tell the kid, hey, you commit, that's what it means. You are committed. If you want to take trips, don't commit.
Take your trips then commit somewhere. If you are not 100% sure and committed, don't commit.

Simple.

 

[Goat Holder]

he even got on the whole Robert Elliot deal. SWORE it as gospel. Said that when Freeze and them were at his house, they dropped off 30 G's along the way. Elliot wouldn't say the words, "I am signing with Ole Miss" so they stayed because they had 30 G's in the deal already. When Croom and Co. showed up, they wouldn't leave until his mother made them, then he mysteriously signs with MSU. Says that Croom and Melvin showed up with suitcases full of cash.

Then he backed up and said he wasn't 100% sure that Croom paid him. Then he said he wasn't sure Elliot actually received the 30 grand, but his step-father or uncle might have. I was just laughing at him.

Then he started on the "well we were the better team in the Egg Bowl last year" crap. I walked away then...

 

[8dog]

the main problem is that people took croom's words (and now apprarently nutt's words) and spun them the way it was easiest to mock. If the player is going to keep looking, we are going to keep looking. Its not that hard of a concept.

It reminds me of last week when Croom said some stuff that didn't make sense about the internet and everyone on nafoom mocked him when he had immediately confessed "I don't understand all that stuff". It was just easier to mock him if you act like he didn't confess to not understanding.

 

[DiamondReb]

First of all this was a player that was not committed to OM. The player in question was committed to MSU otherwise Croom would have no basis for making such a demand. This was Nutt's way of saying nicely we don't want you to commit to us right now. (He is slow playing him). This works out for the kid cause he doesn't have to be publicy rejected by OM.

Second what was in question was an official visit which is designed to wine and dine and recruit a kid away from another school (if they are already committed). That is not the case with a summer football camp. Sure there is recruiting involved but nothing lik an official visit.

That's my reasoning and my guess is you won't see this kid commit to OM anytime soon because OM is slow playing him. Flame away.

 

[bonedaddy401]

he even got on the whole Robert Elliot deal. SWORE it as gospel. Said that when Freeze and them were at his house, they dropped off 30 G's along the way. Elliot wouldn't say the words, "I am signing with Ole Miss" so they stayed because they had 30 G's in the deal already. When Croom and Co. showed up, they wouldn't leave until his mother made them, then he mysteriously signs with MSU. Says that Croom and Melvin showed up with suitcases full of cash.

Then he backed up and said he wasn't 100% sure that Croom paid him. Then he said he wasn't sure Elliot actually received the 30 grand, but his step-father or uncle might have. I was just laughing at him.

Then he started on the "well we were the better team in the Egg Bowl last year" crap. I walked away then...

the most ridiculous story I have ever heard. You should have walked away as soon as 30 G's left his mouth. To think anyone would be dumb enough to personally had off 30 G's is just plain stupid. To think a head coach would personally bribe a player with that much money is most ludacris thing I have heard. Even if he wanted to bribe him he would have passed it trough a third party. Croom doesn't cheat and never will. He will go back to assistant coaching in the NFL if it ever comes to that. I know never say never but I just don't see it.</p>

 

[Goat Holder]

and well, pretty much ALL his prospective recruits right now.

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[DiamondReb]

but I think we are in good shape with Thames, Phillips, and Norwood and made up some ground with Bumphis. But seriously how can you expect MSU and Croom to not have a good start to recruiting? The stars aligned for them to do just that.

 

[HighPointDawg]

There is no difference. The quote says that Nutt told the recruit that IF he committed (how could he not if he saw that IPF) that they would not allow him to take future visits... The individual recruit in question has NOTHING to do with this.. it's the fact that you came on our board and talked down what you called "Croom's recruiting strategy" which includes asking committed players to not take visits if they expect him to "hold" a spot. Then less than 24 hours later it comes out that YOUR dear coach does the EXACT same thing. You look like a bigger fool than you did even before (which is saying a lot).

And the Camp vs Visit thing is B.S. we've already established that Croom would not and doesn't have the ability to tell teams they can't go to Ole Miss Camp.. Players are not invited individually, HS teams are invited. Now he might have told an individual player not to visit Ole Miss and they assumed this included camps and didn't go or want to go but that doesn't matter regardless.. Croom does tell players not to take visits after committing and that is what you went on and on about yesterday.

 

[Goat Holder]

for us to be whipping your asses in recruiting like we are right now. Fact is, Nutt isn't that great of a recruiter (for whatever reason), and I honestly think he's got a little ego about him, sort of like Polk. You can't even get these guys (the ones you listed) to list you as a contender unless you beg them.

What if we win again this year? What will your excuse be this time? I bet I know it already - that damned ole $ylvester.</p>

 

[RebelRichman.nafoom]

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[JacksonDevilDog]

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If Nutt couldn't win the SEC in 10 years at Arkansas, I don't see how he's going to take Ole Miss from the cellar to the top of the SEC in one season.</font> _________________________________________________

Didn't he do that at Arkansas his first season? This is our most talented team since John Vaught IMO.

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[BubbaWilsonFan]

But seriously how can you expect MSU and Croom to not have a good start to recruiting? The stars aligned for them to do just that.

</p>stars aligning? its weird how MSU has absolutely no hand in how their seasons play out. I mean if its all left up to astrology, then why do they even practice... seems like a waste of time when the only way we win is if the games are given to us by our opponents

 

[patdog]

This was Nutt's way of saying nicely we don't want you to commit to us right now. (He is slow playing him). This works out for the kid cause he doesn't have to be publicy rejected by OM.

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[Goat Holder]

He can ask Brian Hazelwood.</p>

 

[HammerOfTheDogs]

€room$

 

[DiamondReb]

for us to be whipping your asses in recruiting like we are right now. Fact is, Nutt isn't that great of a recruiter (for whatever reason), and I honestly think he's got a little ego about him, sort of like Polk. You can't even get these guys (the ones you listed) to list you as a contender unless you beg them.

What if we win again this year? What will your excuse be this time? I bet I know it already - that damned ole $ylvester.</p>

State had a good season and OM had a bad one AND changed coaches. I just mean it is all set up for state to get off to a good start. Anyone could see that. I'm not sure what you're talking about when you ask what my excuse will be. What am I making an excuse for? And would you explain that Gene's page like comment there in bold? </p>

 

[HighPointDawg]

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[RebelBruiser]

In the last 5 NFL Drafts, Nutt has had 20 players drafted total. For comparison, here are the other SEC West schools and how many they've had drafted in the last 5 drafts:

LSU - 29
Auburn - 23
Arkansas - 20
Alabama - 16
Ole Miss - 10
MSU - 4

I realize that following recruiting after the fact isn't as fun, but it's much more informative that way. Scout and Rivals never really liked his classes that much at Arkansas, but the NFL sure liked his recruits well enough.

And since I know you'll ask, 7 of the 20 draft picks were from out of state.

 

[Goat Holder]

and follows the trend of where the teams have placed in the SEC West here lately. And those numbers are based on NFL draftees, not actually contribution. Guys like Culberson don't show up there.</p>

 

[muddawgs33]

First of all this was a player that was not committed to OM. The player in question was committed to MSU otherwise Croom would have no basis for making such a demand. This was Nutt's way of saying nicely we don't want you to commit to us right now. (He is slow playing him). This works out for the kid cause he doesn't have to be publicy rejected by OM.

Second what was in question was an official visit which is designed to wine and dine and recruit a kid away from another school (if they are already committed). That is not the case with a summer football camp. Sure there is recruiting involved but nothing lik an official visit.

That's my reasoning and my guess is you won't see this kid commit to OM anytime soon because OM is slow playing him. Flame away.

Horse ****.... If he was slow playing his ***, Nutt would have told him to go home and think about it before he commits and then never return his phone call. I seen it too many times where coaches tell recruits to go home and think about it and never call the recruit back unless their primary target commits elsewhere. This way everyone involved saves face. The recruit doesn't get publicly rejected and Ole Miss doesn't look like an *** for publicly rejecting the kid.

This ain't the spirit, so you can take that **** elsewhere. </p>

 

[thunderclap]

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[DiamondReb]

good shape means I think they will sign with OM in February, or at least as much as you can think that in July.

 

[DerHntr]

your reasoning is as flawed as you are dumb.

telling recruits not to go to camp after they have already committed is the same as telling them not to go on official visits after committing. the common thread is committing. now (GP woolly comment coming).....if OM had many big time commits this summer prior to camps starting, then Nutt would be saying the same thing. slow playing it = the guy isn't even close to committing and he has no leverage

this thread couldn't have happened to a more deserving homer piece of ****.

 

[dawgfan77]

REALLY!! Phillips last I check was back to being solid to MSU, Bumphis wasn't even considering OM unitl camp, and I think OM is way behind with him. I would be very surprised if OM landed Thames, because his uncle Marcus lives in Starkville during the offseason.

Do I think OM will get some players? Yes, but I don't see them land any of the big name kids in state. Nutt is not recruiting MS, regardless what Yancy and Neil say, he and his staff are not recruiting MS.

 

[dawgatUSM]

I love to see the Reb fans blame their recruiting class on the coaching change... However, In O's first year they signed a top 15 class, if I recall correctly. So, obviously, if that.... thing.... could do that in his first recruiting class, then Nutt could do the same.

 

[captaindawg]

him. Regardless since you evidently know who it is please don't be bashful...tell us which commitment it was.